Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #32

[Gardener1850]

I'm confused. Jackson is NOT on the way to Yellowstone from Rexburg. YNP is about an hour and a half north (and slightly east) of Rexburg, while Jackson is about an hour and a half southeast of Rexburg. Going to YNP from Rexburg through Jackson makes the trip about two and a half hours, and brings you into the park through a different entrance (not West Yellowstone).

I do find MP's mention of Jackson as an option interesting, however, because IMO it seems an attempt to diminish the importance of Vegas being chosen (as though it could easily have been one location or the other). Vegas is relatively close (4 hour drive) in proximity to where CD was vacationing with his children in southern California at the time the AxC and MP marriages occurred, while Jackson is not.

Oh, oops. You're right, that is the wrong entrance (unless they went to the South entrance on another visit). I don't know why I was thinking they entered from the South. My bad. I'm not familiar with the roads and the area and the various entrances to Yellowstone. I just Google mapped it and Google told me that Jackson is about 60 miles from Yellowstone's South entrance. It still seems odd for Melani to randomly mention Jackson. Is Jackson thought of as a desirable wedding destination for people living in Idaho? I've never heard of anyone going to Jackson, WY to get married on the spur of the moment, but I know lots of people go to Vegas to get married last minute or on the cheap. Maybe it's because I'm not from the Western US, but Jackson doesn't seem at all similar to Las Vegas if you are trying to decide where you want to get married between the two. So I'm still left wondering, why Jackson? It's also interesting to note that both these locations would take them out of the state where Alex was living at the time (Idaho).

MOO.

 

[Diddian]

Oh, oops. You're right, that is the wrong entrance (unless they went to the South entrance on another visit). I don't know why I was thinking they entered from the South. My bad. I'm not familiar with the roads and the area and the various entrances to Yellowstone. I just Google mapped it and Google told me that Jackson is about 60 miles from Yellowstone's South entrance. It still seems odd for Melani to randomly mention Jackson. Is Jackson thought of as a desirable wedding destination for people living in Idaho? I've never heard of anyone going to Jackson, WY to get married on the spur of the moment, but I know lots of people go to Vegas to get married last minute or on the cheap. Maybe it's because I'm not from the Western US, but Jackson doesn't seem at all similar to Las Vegas if you are trying to decide where you want to get married between the two. So I'm still left wondering, why Jackson? It's also interesting to note that both these locations would take them out of the state where Alex was living at the time (Idaho).

MOO.

I lived in the area (Idaho Falls) from 1969 to 1976 and traveled back each year to visit family until a few years ago. It is common for people in southeast Idaho to drive over to Jackson. We would do it a few times a year to visit the elk herds, explore Jackson, and all the scenic beauty along the way and in the surrounding areas.

As far as where people would go to marry on the spur of the moment, when I lived and traveled there even into the early 2000's, it seemed to me that people from that area (predominately LDS) took marriage very seriously and it didn't seem like spur of the moment marriages were much of a thing.

ETA: I was even surprised to learn in this case that there were LDS dating apps. LDS are so involved in in-person activities in their wards, they can easily meet people there. Or they can meet people through others in their wards and larger stakes. So, it seems odd to have such a thing.

 

[TheLoadedGoat]

Yes.. ! The part about “don’t blow it”.. these are little kids. They had just gone through a divorce they would be advocating for a new mom and worried about Dad “blowing it”. Such an odd comment. I am surprised with the custody battle going on that any attorney would say doing this interview is a good idea.. especially after they issued a statement and are now all in trouble for defamation. MOO

Agree about the kids and their feelings about MP and Dad moving on. Even if they loved her, they always want their parents together. I am 56 years old, my parents both remarried, my dad has been dead 30 years and there's still a part of me that hopes they get back together...haha!

 

[Gardener1850]

This is a cavalier bunch, but the notion that Alex ordered pizza with Stacey's credit card after she died is as out there for me as the pool party after Charles died. And the story about the house being refinanced behind the Cox' back was totally not believable (ever.) But I wouldn't be surprised if these two stories are a telephone-game version of some things that actually happened. Maybe he made some purchases with Stacey's credit card some after her death; maybe he did something nefarious regarding finances he shared with his parents.

Who would have fed Larry this information? Well, there are a lot of people who have come forward, and a ton who haven't, who are on the fringes and have some of the story.....and who really don't like some of the players in this story. I would guess a number of people have reached out to Kay and Larry to feed them info, not all of it totally accurate.

What's interesting to me is that Melani mentions her dad took away all of her mom's credit cards when he left her, leaving her mom financially broke in Melani's telling of it. How would a 6 year old know/understand/remember that detail? And to be able to tell it later from her mom's point of view while she was living with her dad at the time? It seems likely to me there has been some revisionist history on certain things in order to poison Melani against her dad. She makes her dad out to be the bad guy taking credit cards away from a woman who was in bad health. But if the story about Alex using Stacey's credit card after her death is true then Stacey had no trouble obtaining new a credit card within 3 years of her husband leaving her. She must have had some income or a decent credit score to get new cards issued to her. I think there is some truth to the stories about Alex doing some financial scamming of some sort against his parents because of court documents we can access. Search "Cox, Alexander" Here: Search Results

I also recall seeing a judgement against him from a bank, but now I can't remember which county/state that was in... I had assumed that was a judgement from the CC he ran up after Stacey's death. If anyone knows where that was, please post it. We have been allowed by the mods to sleuth Alex so far in this case because he's deceased (However, we have to be careful not to sleuth the other family members under the TOS).

On the theme of credit card use, we also have the factual information that Lori used Charles' credit cards after his death to continue to order whatever she wanted from Amazon (i.e. wedding rings) and to rent the Rexburg storage unit. Lori's actions seem to point to her thinking nothing of using a deceased person's credit card. Maybe it was technically a credit card in her name too and so she felt entitled to max it out? However, those actions show a certain way of thinking about credit cards. There seems to be a pattern of behavior revolving around the use of CC.

MOO.

 

[spandangly]

I respect your observations. It is so interesting how two people see different things. I was struck by how breathy she spoke, and a lot of word salad. IMO. I also re-read the IP documents and if you read those, and watch the interview, it was like two different Melanie's. IMO.

My guess is she sounds breathy because she's looking pretty pregnant and sitting, talking, while a tiny being is pressing on all your organs is rough.

From the interview, Melani:
1) 'Alex and Zulema had been dating for several months, and kind of Alex was very ready to marry Zulema. But she was a little bit like, you know, 'I'm gonna wait till I get an answer, and I know I'm supposed to be with you, Alex, but I'm gonna wait till it feels like the right time'.
BBM, does this sound odd just to me?
2) 'When I was 6, I can remember the night my dad took me and said, “We’re going to go get gas,” and we never came back. We left my mom there, and he turned the power off. He took all her credit cards, her planner and just left her there. She was really sick to the point she couldn’t really take care of herself. We hid out in a hotel for a couple months, and that started a nasty custody battle between them.'
'I heard all manner of things about the Coxes, but my dad kind of cut off communication with them.'
'She passed, and my dad didn’t let me talk or see any of that side of the family. I didn’t know why other than he was saying all sorts of things about them.'
'I didn’t know that my dad had been telling everybody, “Hey, your mom died of anorexia,” and she was mentally ill and basically made himself look like a hero.'
'That’s similar to what’s happening in my family court case – the same pattern. I think we go through these things to learn experience and seeing that same exact thing happened now in my life, it’s too ironic it’s the exact same patterns.'
So this happens in Cox family all the time (nasty custody battles, hiding children, sanity questions)... What makes these husbands run away and hide with the kids? Is this all just because they all select the wrong men (Lori was badly married 4 times, Melani at least once, her mother as well)?..
3) I think it's worth noting that Melani not once said that light/dark/cult innuendos about their beliefs were lies
4) I wonder if she was asked about why she wanted rapid divorce with BB after having 4 children together. Shouldn't she, as a faithful woman, try to work on their relationships "until death separates"? Can't imagine how a woman with 4 kids could let her marriage go so easily

Your bolded portion sounds very typical for LDS marriage conversations. It means she's praying about it and waiting to get an answer from God. Most members would not marry before praying about it and receiving an answer. It is also, frankly, used as a delay tactic by women. I'm surprised they could have been discussing this for months (?) and her son didn't know Alex's last name.

The report lists what was included in their tox panel, which has some weird inclusions (like gabapentin, why? That’s not terribly lethal or illicit) and weird exclusions (no amphetamines? No opiates?) but it is likely their local usual panel. It is only positive for caffeine, the other substances you name were negative for their “cutoff” range. The weird part about the caffeine for me is that is not very Mormon. My Mormon friends are pretty strict about the no caffiene rule, though they might be more relaxed on the hot beverages (who can resist hot chocolate? Jesus will understand). Although Lori doesn’t seem to abide by the Mormon in good standing attire expectations, so maybe they imbibe in caffeinated beverages too?

Caffeine is not against any Mormon rules, and never has been. Neither is hot chocolate. Coffee and tea are restricted, but only "because God said so". Many Mormons (now) drink herbal tea. Some extrapolate the "no tea or coffee" rule to mean it's because of caffeine (and would avoid it to seem extra-righteous), but that was more typical in the 80s-90s. BYU has been offering caffeinated soda on campus since 2017.
So, caffeinated soda, energy drinks, caffeine pills, all technically ok, though some would still frown upon, as people may become dependant on them.
Just wanted to clear up the misconception.

I suspect you are right but I'd like to loo into this. Do we know which dating app they supposedly me on? I think I heard it was an app for LDS but do we know the name of it?

Yes, it was Mutual.

MOO, that these interviews have renewed in me some small hope that the kids are alive. I don't think the whole truth is being laid bare here, but I do believe *most* of what they're saying. I do think they met and got married quickly and he wasn't part of the group. What his motivations are for staying, I honestly don't know. I don't think a child alone would do it, but it may be the the child plus being stubborn trying to show his ex and kids he wasn't an idiot for getting married in 10 days. But yeah, the texts from IP to NP where he says the uncles told MP they did it, and the fact the shooter had Tylee's car, are too incriminating.

 

[Hatfield]

So can someone help clarify for me please. His folks are in CA, so he and all his kids went there? I am even surprised that he had his kids with him. And is ex-wife lives where??? So, Melani flew in from where??? A lot of money flies around with this group as well as constantly moving. i dunno...the whole thing just feels strange.

JMO
It is strange to me too how there seems to be an endless supply of money to do all this moving and traveling about that so many of them did.

Moving in itself is an expensive thing to do. The cost of moving is what causes a lot of people to remain living in places that they would rather move away from.

On top of moving costs, a person usually has to have a fairly steady job to maintain normal utility costs, food, and everything else. For some of the key players in this case, it did not seem like they had a stable place to even stay let alone a stable normal job.

It is confusing how a lot of their actions would have costed quite a bit of money with all the traveling, deposits, moving costs, and so where and how did they manage to get all those funds with no real steady job or a steady place to live. The only thing I can guess is one or two of the key players came into some money or thought they would come into some money and was willing to share it or said they would share it with a couple other people to help them out with some of the more recent moves.

If LE can follow the money trail then it may help them with this case.

 

[Diddian]

JMO
It is strange to me too how there seems to be an endless supply of money to do all this moving and traveling about that so many of them did.

Moving in itself is an expensive thing to do. The cost of moving is what causes a lot of people to remain living in places that they would rather move away from.

On top of moving costs, a person usually has to have a fairly steady job to maintain normal utility costs, food, and everything else. For some of the key players in this case, it did not seem like they had a stable place to even stay let alone a stable normal job.

It is confusing how a lot of their actions would have costed quite a bit of money with all the traveling, deposits, moving costs, and so where and how did they manage to get all those funds with no real steady job or a steady place to live. The only thing I can guess is one or two of the key players came into some money or thought they would come into some money and was willing to share it or said they would share it with a couple other people to help them out with some of the more recent moves.

If LE can follow the money trail then it may help them with this case.

I agree with you on your various points here.

It seems that in the figures connected to LVD (rather than CD), there is a lot of moving around from rented home to rented home (which is expensive), a lot of moving around as regional sales representative from one wealth-advisory or investment-related firm to another, high level commissions due to related parties in multiple states out of accounts that maintain almost zero-level balances, few documented assets (owned real estate and conventional investment accounts, and I suspect the vehicles were leased as well), and some possible under-the-counter small business activity (IIRC, at least at one point LVD ran her styling chair out of her home and both LVD and CV ran a juice bar run out of a food truck in Kauai, both types of businesses that could easily underreport income). And, of course, there was the prolonged court battle involving amounts the IRS claimed were due, while LVD's parents claimed there was no income for the periods the IRS says the amounts are due.

It almost seems like there might be several instances of MLM schemes or some other kind of scheme going on - where money moves around a lot, but never seems to land anywhere and be documented, and possibly related evasion of income taxes, although I have no evidence of it. Just broad appearances and inexplicable expenses that sort of seem to smell like it.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Ian used Sean Bartholik the same attorney used by both Chad and Lori. Rexburg is small so that may all be coincidental.

There’s quite a few lawyers in the area. So imo it’s strange they have the connection of Sean Bartholik. His office is not the only prestigious firm. Jmo

 

[TheLoadedGoat]

I just finished all 3 interviews. I find it interesting how often it was discussed about IP not being judgmental and LV not being judgmental...that is just a metaphor for "they don't call me out on my lies." I have a family member who falls back on that when you point out their long history of bad decisions and why they are heading down another bad path.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

My guess is she sounds breathy because she's looking pretty pregnant and sitting, talking, while a tiny being is pressing on all your organs is rough.


Your bolded portion sounds very typical for LDS marriage conversations. It means she's praying about it and waiting to get an answer from God. Most members would not marry before praying about it and receiving an answer. It is also, frankly, used as a delay tactic by women. I'm surprised they could have been discussing this for months (?) and her son didn't know Alex's last name.


Caffeine is not against any Mormon rules, and never has been. Neither is hot chocolate. Coffee and tea are restricted, but only "because God said so". Many Mormons (now) drink herbal tea. Some extrapolate the "no tea or coffee" rule to mean it's because of caffeine (and would avoid it to seem extra-righteous), but that was more typical in the 80s-90s. BYU has been offering caffeinated soda on campus since 2017.
So, caffeinated soda, energy drinks, caffeine pills, all technically ok, though some would still frown upon, as people may become dependant on them.
Just wanted to clear up the misconception.


Yes, it was Mutual.

MOO, that these interviews have renewed in me some small hope that the kids are alive. I don't think the whole truth is being laid bare here, but I do believe *most* of what they're saying. I do think they met and got married quickly and he wasn't part of the group. What his motivations are for staying, I honestly don't know. I don't think a child alone would do it, but it may be the the child plus being stubborn trying to show his ex and kids he wasn't an idiot for getting married in 10 days. But yeah, the texts from IP to NP where he says the uncles told MP they did it, and the fact the shooter had Tylee's car, are too incriminating.

My Mormon relatives absolutely frown on any coffee/caffeine products. My SIL once referred to her father's one fault of being "jack mormon" was his drinking coffee.
The article below is very new, and definitely says coffee is against dietary codes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/reli...nks-ending-ccino-mormon-church-tells-members/

 

[nhmemorymaker]

My Mormon relatives absolutely frown on any coffee/caffeine products. My SIL once referred to her father's one fault of being "jack mormon" was his drinking coffee.
The article below is very new, and definitely says coffee is against dietary codes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/reli...nks-ending-ccino-mormon-church-tells-members/

I was curious about the coffee on the autopsy report because of another poster (i apologize for forgetting who) was showing some clear evidence of caffeine and the development of blood clots.

 

[spandangly]

One of the biggest holes in MPs story, IMO, is living next door to Lori for a month and not knowing where the kids were. She mentions LVD saying TR was "with friends", but what about JJ?? MPs only reason to move there, as far as we know, was to be close to Lori. They should have been attending the same congregation every Sunday. And Ian also should have been there. Whether they were or not, we don't know, or if they were attending congregations to which they weren't assigned--like a Singles congregation (But Melani and Ian should have been at the same one, were that the case). I'm wondering if any of them were attending. You'd notice if your aunt never showed up to church with her kids.

Also, I think it would be very unusual for LDS relatives to live next door to each other, when you're both new to town, both recently without husbands and MP a single woman without kids (no other obligations) and not to have Sunday dinner together. How could she have possibly not known JJ was not there? This seems just outrageously implausible to me. Unless they were all so busy driving around between states?? But she would have had hours in the car with Alex between ID and her in-law's home in UT. They have to have talked about everything. MOO

 

[spandangly]

My Mormon relatives absolutely frown on any coffee/caffeine products. My SIL once referred to her father's one fault of being "jack mormon" was his drinking coffee.
The article below is very new, and definitely says coffee is against dietary codes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/reli...nks-ending-ccino-mormon-church-tells-members/

I said coffee was against the rules, but it isn't because of caffeine. I also explained how some extrapolate the restriction against tea and coffee to include caffeine. Your article perfectly aligns with my statements.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

There’s quite a few lawyers in the area. So imo it’s strange they have the connection of Sean Bartholik. His office is not the only prestigious firm. Jmo

Love your handle, Dog!

 

[nhmemorymaker]

What's interesting to me is that Melani mentions her dad took away all of her mom's credit cards when he left her, leaving her mom financially broke in Melani's telling of it. How would a 6 year old know/understand/remember that detail? And to be able to tell it later from her mom's point of view while she was living with her dad at the time? It seems likely to me there has been some revisionist history on certain things in order to poison Melani against her dad. She makes her dad out to be the bad guy taking credit cards away from a woman who was in bad health. But if the story about Alex using Stacey's credit card after her death is true then Stacey had no trouble obtaining new a credit card within 3 years of her husband leaving her. She must have had some income or a decent credit score to get new cards issued to her. I think there is some truth to the stories about Alex doing some financial scamming of some sort against his parents because of court documents we can access. Search "Cox, Alexander" Here: Search Results

I also recall seeing a judgement against him from a bank, but now I can't remember which county/state that was in... I had assumed that was a judgement from the CC he ran up after Stacey's death. If anyone knows where that was, please post it. We have been allowed by the mods to sleuth Alex so far in this case because he's deceased (However, we have to be careful not to sleuth the other family members under the TOS).

On the theme of credit card use, we also have the factual information that Lori used Charles' credit cards after his death to continue to order whatever she wanted from Amazon (i.e. wedding rings) and to rent the Rexburg storage unit. Lori's actions seem to point to her thinking nothing of using a deceased person's credit card. Maybe it was technically a credit card in her name too and so she felt entitled to max it out? However, those actions show a certain way of thinking about credit cards. There seems to be a pattern of behavior revolving around the use of CC.

MOO.

Perhaps Steven Cope will consider the route that Brandon has taken. Sue. There were lawyers present when so much incriminating information was brought up against Brandon. If that suit can hold water, perhaps Cope can sue the lawyers who were sitting there with Nate.

There MUST be a relationship between Brandon and Cope, right? Unless Melani married Brandon the way Lori married all her guys...without any family present. Regardless, both Brandon and Cope know a lot more information and it would just be so marvelous if they speak up more now.

I don't think Melani understands that the "world is watching" and her words are not actually a movie script.

 

[MadTing]

Wasn't JJ seen by neighbours on video playing outside the apartments they all rented together shouting something along?, had melani moved into her apartment at this time? if so surely she would have seen him.

 

[spandangly]

Wasn't JJ seen by neighbours on video playing outside the apartments they all rented together shouting something along?, had melani moved into her apartment at this time?

He was last on video Sept 17 (?) And at school on Sept 23. Melani moved up the first few days of November.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Perhaps Steven Cope will consider the route that Brandon has taken. There were lawyers present when so much information was brought up against Brandon. If that suit can hold water, perhaps Cope can sue the lawyers who were sitting there with Nate. I don't think Melani understands that the "world is watching" and her words are not actually a movie script.

Also, i am so curious as to why Cope didn't want any connections to the Cox family. In my opinion, there is a lot more than he was just a "mean daddy". She ended up in Texas for her National Guard schooling, right?? My guess is the Cox's felt that could now pounce on her, from their side.

There is a boatload of history here, and that could be the third book of the trilogy. The Lori Chad Story, the Melani Story, and the Cox Story.

 

[MadTing]

He was last on video Sept 17 (?) And at school on Sept 23. Melani moved up the first few days of November.

Thanks for clarifying that makes sense now!

 

[Tortoise]

Oh, oops. You're right, that is the wrong entrance (unless they went to the South entrance on another visit). I don't know why I was thinking they entered from the South. My bad. I'm not familiar with the roads and the area and the various entrances to Yellowstone. I just Google mapped it and Google told me that Jackson is about 60 miles from Yellowstone's South entrance. It still seems odd for Melani to randomly mention Jackson. Is Jackson thought of as a desirable wedding destination for people living in Idaho? I've never heard of anyone going to Jackson, WY to get married on the spur of the moment, but I know lots of people go to Vegas to get married last minute or on the cheap. Maybe it's because I'm not from the Western US, but Jackson doesn't seem at all similar to Las Vegas if you are trying to decide where you want to get married between the two. So I'm still left wondering, why Jackson? It's also interesting to note that both these locations would take them out of the state where Alex was living at the time (Idaho).

MOO.

I feel it could be relevant to Alex, and maybe she doesn't even know why Jackson was being discussed. He could have gone there a few times in connection with the children, crossing state lines, and made one of his jokes about getting married there as a cover.

It seems he brought up the subject of jurisdictions when he advised Melani to move, even though Ammon is still in Idaho.