Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #32

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  • #621
The only issue I speculate as impossible is leaving Tylee alone...she was rather independent minded and argued with Lori, she wouldn’t IMO stay there alone, it would totally be against her will.. Someone would have to be there to keep her hidden there...

Unless she totally bought into the system in general and her disagreements were only with her mother. Which would be normal teenage behavior. Or unless they used JJ to manipulate her--she's clearly devoted to him and might have been vulnerable to an argument like "but he's in danger if you don't help keep him safe."
 
  • #622
Melani: "There’s no cult. Lori’s my aunt, Zulema’s almost like an aunt to me, Alex is my uncle, and this is my family. Where it comes down to Tylee and JJ and this zombie idea – it came from a disturbing phone call I got from one of Lori’s old friends right after they took off to Hawaii. She told me, “Lori and Alex did something to Tylee and JJ, and we don’t know where they’re at, and Lori has lied to you,” and all these things that didn’t feel right. On that phone call, I felt a lot of fear and doubt, and that’s when I kind of went into this worrying phase."

Melani and Ian Pawlowski discuss religious beliefs, disturbing court documents, why Lori Daybell isn't talking and what they know about missing kids | East Idaho News

BBM. Did Melanie Gibb call Melani Pawlowski and told her about the zombies? Is MG the single source of the zombie theory? She must have got it from the horse's mouth, right?
I think it was LVD's friend that lived in Hawaii that LVD tried to get her to be one of the 144,000 followers.
JMO
 
  • #623
I think it was LVD's friend that lived in Hawaii that LVD tried to get her to be one of the 144,000 followers.
JMO
It could be, or it could be MG. Didn’t MG also send an email to someone claiming all the zombie stuff right after they asked her to lie about the kids whereabouts? I thought I read that here but it may be on another site. MOO for now
 
  • #624
In one of the interviews Melani commented that getting married quickly is encouraged in her religion. Having lived around Mormon communities most of my life, I have not observed that to be true but I have had a few friends that got married after dating a ridiculously short time (3-6 months not 10 days). I'm curious to hear from someone knowledgable about LDS whether Melani's claim is true. It was also my understanding that in LDS there is usually some kind of pre-marriage counseling (as in many churches) but I've never heard that it is mandatory. Is it plausibe that 2 devout Mormons would just decide on a whim to get married in Vegas 2 days later without telling anyone?
People often refer to Brigham Young university Idaho (often called BYUI) as BYU-I do. So typical story is meet here at school, start dating, get engaged, get married. That usually happens in the time frame of a semester, which is usually 3.5 ish months. That’s quick by most people’s standards. But I’ve heard it happening faster and slower. Usually people aren’t getting married after a couple days though. I’d say that’s the huge exception if it does happen.
 
  • #625
YES!!! I just went on a rant about the MP saying she had no phone number, contact number but she talked to LVD in December.
I forgot to add in there the "Recordings" from her own husband regarding phone calls.
It's all a bunch of BS and they are liars. JMO

We all know that by Christmas MP must have been the only person on the planet that did not have Lori's and Chad's phone numbers!
 
  • #626
Niece of Lori Daybell says ex-husband's claims are false, makes explosive allegations of her own | East Idaho News

Niece of Lori Daybell says ex-husband’s claims are false, makes explosive allegations of her own

Eric Grossarth, EastIdahoNews.com


Daybell Case
Published at 3:14 pm, February 28, 2020

Updated at 4:44 pm, February 28, 2020

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Melani Pawloski, in back with the blond hair, stands behind her attorneys Thursday in Mesa, Arizona, as reporters ask questions. | Courtesy photo
REXBURG — The niece of Lori Vallow Daybell claims she does not know the location of two missing Rexburg kids, and the statements made by her ex-husband are false.

"Melani Pawloski appeared in a Mesa, Arizona, court with attorneys Robert Jarvis and Garrett Smith on Thursday afternoon for an ongoing child custody case between her and her ex-husband, Brandon Boudreaux. Boudreaux did not attend the closed hearing, and Pawloski did not make any comments to the media. After the hearing, she stood behind Smith and Jarvis outside the courthouse, and her lawyers gave a brief statement after taking questions from reporters.

Reporters specifically ask about child custody documents recently filed by Boudreaux that claim Pawloski knows where 7-year-old JJ Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan are. The children disappeared from the Rexburg area in September and have not been seen since. Daybell is currently incarcerated in Hawaii awaiting extradition to Idaho for child abandonment charges in relation to the disappearance."


There is a pic of the lawyers in this MSM. Are these the same guys in the interviews ? I haven't watched the interviews myself.

From the article.

"The Boudreaux family continues to unlawfully keep Melani’s children out of school and in a home with an abusive history,” he said. “Unfortunately, law enforcement has failed to search for the truth and has given into the manipulations of Brandon Boudreaux.”


Without offering any evidence of his claims, Smith also accused the Boudreaux family of covering up child molestations, drug addictions, kidnappings, assaults and killings.

“Brandon Boudreaux’s family is involved in organized crime,” Smith said. “Brandon Boudreaux has plenty to hide. A closer look would reveal many possible sources who would take a shot at him. Melani is not one of them.”

According to the court documents filed by Boudreaux, Pawloski’s new husband, Ian, told investigators his wife and her uncle Alex Cox conspired to kill Boudreaux. Police have not publicly made any indication on who shot at Boudreaux, but private investigator Rich Robertson, hired by Boudreaux, has suggested Cox pulled the trigger.
BBM- MP's Own Husband reported this to investigators.
The only reason for these recent interviews is for him to back-paddle his way out of his "tellings" to FBI and save his own a$$.
Now whether he actually "told" MP he was recording/ spying or if MP found out he was is up in the air, for me.
Regardless, once he was found out, this is their plan to make the public think he is innocent of all this conspiracy and save his marriage/plans and possibly his own life.
I kind of got the feeling that is exactly how he is feeling while watching him in that last interview especially, but his body language and him not looking at MP or straight on at Nate, but off to the side says a lot to me. It's like he got himself into this mess and now he is letting MP help him out of it to save their own lives.
JMO
 
  • #627
People often refer to Brigham Young university Idaho (often called BYUI) as BYU-I do. So typical story is meet here at school, start dating, get engaged, get married. That usually happens in the time frame of a semester, which is usually 3.5 ish months. That’s quick by most people’s standards. But I’ve heard it happening faster and slower. Usually people aren’t getting married after a couple days though. I’d say that’s the huge exception if it does happen.
Sure but that is college-aged people, and the friends I noted doing that fall into that category. But two 30-somethings that just went through divorces? Doesn't make sense to me.
 
  • #628
Sure but that is college-aged people, and the friends I noted doing that fall into that category. But two 30-somethings that just went through divorces? Doesn't make sense to me.
Right. Anyone I’ve known who has gone through a divorce or a death of a loved one either doesn’t remarry or waits a long time before remarrying. So it is odd for CD and Lori as well as MP and IP. I’m sure there’s always an exception to the rule. Like those whose marriage was over long before it ended. But imo from the outside looking in at pictures I’ve seen on msm of CD and Tammy and MP and Brandon, they appeared like things were okay.
 
  • #629
The only issue I speculate as impossible is leaving Tylee alone...she was rather independent minded and argued with Lori, she wouldn’t IMO stay there alone, it would totally be against her will.. Someone would have to be there to keep her hidden there...

Quite possible, but if you look at some of those areas, particularly further North, you'd be hard pressed to find your way out if you were just dropped there, especially at night. There would be *nothing* to see but trees.

Tylee was smart, and just might have decided that sticking to the dwelling was a better idea than trying to hike out. But we may never know, it's all just speculation until if and when she rejoins us.
 
  • #630
Re: quick marriages:
I would say it's very unusual, especially with children in the mix. That makes it especially irresponsible. As indicated earlier, months, people would joke about it being quick, but days, no. That would make everyone's jaw drop. There is no requirement for pre-marital counseling. It's looked down upon to get married outside the temple, even for a second marriage (though more acceptable than a first marriage, for a number of practical reasons), and just for logistical purposes, that typically can't be done quickly. You have to have a series of interviews and then schedule a date at the temple. Even if two people claim (as these two insinuate, though not outright) that God confirmed to them that they should get married, most people would see it as strange to do it so quickly, and without family. It just seems unnecessarily fast.

ETA: there are people who would say "if you know it's right, why wait?" But I still think 10 days would shock most of them, too ;)
 
  • #631
"We just want to come on and share what we do know and share truth and hopefully keep getting opportunities where more people will be open to that and be able to listen." - Melani
"I’m having to spend all this time telling the truth because everything’s been manipulated into lies in the media. People aren’t seeing the whole picture of things. And this is a whole deflection on the truth. Everything that’s being thrown around – all these ideas that people are bouncing off each other – they’re missing the truth. That’s our exes’ goal, to distract from everything they’re doing and confuse it in this case to take advantage of it." - Melani
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"I know everything’s going to come forward eventually. As we just keep trying to tell the truth and be ourselves and try to do the right thing, I know things are going to work out." - Melani
Having watched the interviews it seems to me like they're more interested in painting a narrative that casts themselves, Lori, et al., in a positive light than in actually telling the truth. Which is understandable, of course, considering the position they're in. But at the end of the day, if truth itself becomes the victim in exchange for the expediency of protecting oneself and ones own self-interests, then it becomes at once disingenuous, dishonest, and even duplicitous on their part to pretend they stand with the banner of truth. I would then like to examine some of the things I've observed from this interview and weigh them to see if truth really is what they seek, or if they are only looking after their own self-interests and welfare.

First off, let's start with the presence of the attorneys. Let me be clear, I'm not against having attorneys present in the least, and I'm not going to speculate or infer guilt or innocence based on their presence. Attorneys aren't there to make sure the truth is known and told, they are there simply to represent and protect their clients interests, regardless of guilt or innocence. This fact alone would indicate that there is at least some level of self-interest on the part of those being interviewed to make sure that they were there. Contrast that with all the interviews with the Woodcocks, Colby, BB, etc., who never had attorneys present when being interviewed - they aren't interested in self-preservation or protecting themselves legally, rather, they are seeking to make truths known, find answers, and looking out for the best interests of others - namely the children and other innocent people involved.

In a similar vein, the location of the interviewees is noteworthy. Ian and Melani are not doing the interview in person, but rather appear to be doing it electronically from the safety and comfort of the Attorney's office. That office represents a refuge and safe place for them, again indicative of self-preservation, rather than meeting with a potential adversary on their own home turf which could be viewed as dangerous.


Melani: My mom got really sick a couple years after having me. She almost died having me because she had a deep vein thrombosis blood clot. And the Cox side doesn’t really have great genes. My grandpa’s had cancer and blood clots, and initially my grandfather was told by the police that Alex – they thought a lung clot was the reason for his death initially. So that’s what we thought this whole time.

I think my parents had a rough time when my mom got really sick with type 1 diabetes and gastroparesis. She didn’t have the ability to absorb nutrients and was in and out of doctors and hospitals, and I think it was hard on my dad. I know there was some infidelity on his part, and they tried to work through things, and they just couldn’t make it work.

I spent a lot of time in the Cox home. Barry and Janis, my grandparents, lived in California, and I lived with them for a while. My mom was sick and I remember my dad traveling a lot for his job, and my mom finally felt like she was healthy enough when we moved to Seattle, and my dad got a job there. It was just me, my mom and dad. My mom couldn’t have any more kids.

When I was 6, I can remember the night my dad took me and said, “We’re going to go get gas,” and we never came back. We left my mom there, and he turned the power off. He took all her credit cards, her planner and just left her there. She was really sick to the point she couldn’t really take care of herself. We hid out in a hotel for a couple months, and that started a nasty custody battle between them.

I remember just being quiet and not really understanding what was going on. I just remember not seeing my mom a lot, but she fought as much as she could. I grew up with my dad and then later my stepmom when my dad got remarried. I heard all manner of things about the Coxes, but my dad kind of cut off communication with them.

My mom later passed away when I was 9. Lori was the one that called and told me the news. She said, “Your mom’s in a coma and she’s probably not going to make it.” I remember that phone call and I’ve always loved and trusted. Lori. She’s always been somebody that has so much unconditional love and no judgment, no drama, and I admire her so much. I don’t think I would have wanted to have that phone call by anybody else to have to give me that news.

I remember flying up with my dad, who took me to see my mom last time in hospice. She passed, and my dad didn’t let me talk or see any of that side of the family. I didn’t know why other than he was saying all sorts of things about them.

Finally, when I was 15, I found my uncle Adam (a radio DJ). I think I Googled him on the computers in high school, and I found him, and he was one of my favorite, favorite people in my life. I remember growing up and connecting all the ties from age 9 to 15. For all those years, they didn’t have me, and they tried sending packages, and my dad would return them. I never understood why I just felt something off in my heart, but I have
no judgment or resentment on why my dad did the things he did. I wish to this day he would just say it for what it is and be real about it
because that’s how we grow.

BBM. Based on what she's telling us, it actually does sound like she resents and blames her dad for everything, in spite of her protestations to the contrary. She was 6 when her world was turned upside down. She wouldn't have even been capable to understand and process what was going on at that tender age, and she even admits it here. And she certainly wouldn't have been aware of the facts of the situation. And yet all the "facts" she shares is very pointedly against her dad. How did she come to hold these beliefs and have this perspective? Almost certainly from her Cox family members. It sounds to me like the story she is telling us is that she believes her dad tore her away from her mother, which she couldn't understand why being so young, and then as she grew up and would ask questions like "where's mommy?" or "why can't I see her?" her dad would tell her "all manner of things about the Coxes" and so she began to resent her father for 1) taking her away from her mother, and 2) talking bad about the Cox side of the family (of which she was a part).

Later, after she had grown up a bit, was a teenager and began to exercise her independence and perhaps became a bit rebellious, she naturally wanted to reach out to her Cox side of the family and hear their side of the story. Of course they would have welcomed the opportunity and wouldn't have had anything flattering to say about her dad, and anything they said would have served only to continue to feed her resentment.

Here's some questions:

How would have Melani come to believe that "there was some infidelity" from her dad towards her mother and that's what initiated the seperation? At 6 years old? I can almost certainly guarantee it wasn't her dad that told her this story. I'd be willing to bet she learned this only later in life and from the Coxes. And, if there were truth to the accusation of infidelity, then how did she end up in the custody of her father instead of her mother? While such may happen on occasion it is my experience and understanding that in the vast majority of cases, when there is infidelity in marriage which leads to divorce, the children usually end up with the other parent. This doesn't pass the sniff test to me. There must be more going on which she isn't telling us.

I'm willing to believe Melani's memory of "going to go get gas" is fairly accurate, even at 6 years old, because I have similar memories of events at such a young age. When something especially traumatic or good happens it can be ingrained into our memories with surprising clarity. And leaving one's home and mother pretty much to never see her again would definitely be traumatic for a child. However, I seriously doubt everything else she shares about that event is from her own memory, but rather a narrative the Cox family fed her later in life when she finally got in touch with them. How could a child of that age know or understand if her father had turned off the power, stolen her mother's credit cards and personal belongings, and then left her basically to die on her sickbed with no means of caring for herself? That would have been an atrocious thing to do! And yet, if such were true, then how did dad later end up with custody of Melani? Again I'm willing to bet she never heard of these things from her father, but rather much later from the Coxes.

Based upon the facts of the case (primarily that dad ended up with custody of Melani), along with the narrative Melani shares, it sounds to me like her dad did the right thing in trying to keep her away from the Cox family because they did end up poisoning Melani's mind and heart. JMO.

One other thing. Melani says that Lori has "always been somebody that has so much unconditional love and no judgment, no drama." I don't know how Melani managed to say that with a straight face. No drama? No judgement? Unconditional love? Seriously?!? Then how in the world have we come to where we are now? Why is she on her fifth marriage? Why is Charles dead at the hands of Lori's brother? Why was she shopping for a wedding dress and ring, obviously planning for a marriage, at a time when her future husband was still married to his wife? Why did she allow a playful slap on the backside from said future husband, again while he was still married to his wife Tammy? Why did she take Tylee away to Hawaii, away from her father without his knowledge or permission, when there was an ongoing custody dispute? In most places that would be considered kidnapping and/or custodial interference. Why did she abandon her husband Charles and her adopted son JJ for nearly two months, with no sign or word from her on where she went? Why did she cancel Charles' flight home forcing him to buy a $600 ticket instead, take his truck from the airport, drain his business account of $35,000 dollars, change the house locks and take his property, attempt to lock him out of his own life insurance policy, make threats against him to the point he feared for his own life, etc., etc., etc.,? Why are the children missing and have been now for 8 months with no sign or word from them? And I could go on and on and on. No drama? No judgement? Unconditional love? Seriously?!? Are you even listening to the words coming out of your mouth? Melani truly must have been brainwashed if she really believes that.

Does Melani really want the truth to be known? Or is she painting a narrative to try and protect herself and her own?

I could go on about this interview, about how she continually paints good people as the bad guys, and those who are (or are suspected of) engaging in patterns of criminal activities as the good guys, but already this post is getting to be too long. Instead I'll just share a scripture for Melani to ponder over, in the off chance she comes across this post.

Isaiah 5:18-23

18 Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
19 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!
20 ¶ Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
 
  • #632
Yeah, good point! Also, isn't Detective Hermosillo one of the two Rexburg LEO that were listed as some kind of Dark Spirit? Was that part of the document that Ian's exwife found on his computer?
YES..he was listed.
And funny how a few months ago MP was supposedly UNWILLING to cooperate with LE regarding the children. From news article_
""Melani's knowledge of the whereabouts of her aunt's two missing children and her unwillingness to cooperate with law enforcement is daunting and her current husband has told law enforcement that Melani says sometimes children are full of light and then just like that they go dark,” her ex-husband, Brandon Boudreaux, alleged.
Lori Vallow relative knows 'whereabouts' of missing Idaho kids but is unwilling to 'cooperate': reports
 
  • #633
From the latest inverview lawyer Smith lays out the pillars of Lori's defense for this media trial:

1. They don’t think they’ve ever seen anything in Lori’s life that would give them any evidence that she could harm her children.

2. Lori had a basis and a belief that she needed to take steps to protect her kids.

3. They had experienced in Lori’s life this notion that she has a substantial distrust of the system.

I can't judge the first but many old friends have said she was a great mother until 2018-ish
The third I think is true based on prior custody battle and the tax issues.

Number 2 is about threats. I could be convinced that KW's texts might have been perceived as threats. In early October the shot at Brandon and subsequent events could have been perceived as a threat. But we need a threat in late August to justify the move and probably an escalation after that to convince me she put them in hiding.
I don’t buy the whole “kids threatened by something so evil that it cannot be articulated” story. But for the sake of argument, if it was true, a terrified, caring mother would not putz around for rest of the summer, selling dogs and openly moving to a new town. A caring mother would have grabbed the kids and all three of them would go into immediate hiding. Or she could go to the police like a normal person. Caring mothers don’t dump their kids at random places, so they can go to Hawaii twice and live off of their kids’ SSI checks.

Kay’s emails were not threats. They were desperate pleas to see JJ. Lori was irate over the life insurance, she was determined that Kay never see him again.

Watching and listening to Colby in his Dateline interview, he describes a chaotic home life when it was just him and his mom. The most stability came when she married Charles. She loves creating churn and upheaval.

Criminals are not brain surgeons. Often they get away with stuff because regular people don’t think that someone would have the audacity to act in a criminal manner. Lori would still be in Hawaii, but for Kay. No one else noticed or cared enough about the kids to push Lori about their condition. Lori is sly, but I don’t think real smart. I predict the simplest story is what happened. Kids are dead. She went to live in her paradise Kauai. And then damn Kay wrecked it.
 
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Ian shares details that he would cooperate with LE-he taped/recorded calls with Lori and Chad--
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Ian shared other details, said he would cooperate with police and allowed them to pull data from his phone. He met with officers the next day, and they gave him a recording device to put on his keychain.

“My plan was to record anything I thought could help locate Tylee and JJ, locate Chad and Lori and understand what happened when Brandon was shot at,” Ian wrote. “If Chad and Lori were going to be calling, I’d turn on the recorder and just let it run until they’d hung up.”

Ian says nothing substantial was ever recorded with Chad and Lori because they never talked about the missing children.

On Dec. 19, police searched Alex Cox’s Rexburg townhouse, and Ian says he admitted to Melani that he had spoken with officers.

Not to beat a dead horse, but here again.. Ian was recording calls between MP and Lori and Chad in DECEMBER--when MP clearly states she did not speak to Lori in the 1st interview.

Also of Note** Remember when everyone was looking for Chad and Lori ??**
Well, MP states she knew they were going to Hawaii and that they were in Hawaii and above, Ian writes he was recording to see if he could help locate Chad and Lori.
SMH=-- these are just lies after lies from this group of so called "religious" people.
 
  • #635
This posting is an effort to make sense out of some things that have been confusing me for a long time by constructing an admittedly highly speculative narrative. It draws extensively on information gathered outside the TOS boundary and is accordingly coy about certain names and descriptions. Please respect the TOS in any followup comments.

What Was The Plan?

OK, let's put ourselves in the shoes of Chad, Lori, and Alex up in Rexburg in early September. They still need a big score. We don't know why, but there are signs of some Grand Plan that requires upwards of a million dollars to carry out. They tried and failed to get this from killing Charles and so they have decided to murder Brandon and Tammy for their respective insurance payouts.

What About The Kids?

There's a problem: these actions will probably result in contact from the authorities and Tylee and/or JJ might break down under interrogation and spill the beans about the Chandler shooting. So the two children have to be isolated from the authorities.

The simplest solution, as noted here time and time again, is to just murder the children and bury the bodies in Yellowstone National Park. But maybe that is unacceptable, for instance by causing schisms in whatever larger group is involved in the Grand Plan. So for sake of argument let's say the problem reduces to one of hiding JJ and Tylee from the authorities for several months until the Grand Plan can be put in place. But making a pair of kids truly disappear off the face of the earth for a limited time in today's society is no easy task.

Does Being in Rexburg Help?

But by being based in Rexburg Chad and Lori had an option denied to most of us.

North of Yellowstone is an area of Montana that is very much a wilderness. If you put together zip code 59027 and the Western third of zip 59030 you get about 750 square miles with a population density (outside the two towns in the area) less than one person per square mile. Fly over the area with Google Earth and you'll see woods and clearcut fields crisscrossed with a maze of dirt roads and jeep trails and sprinkled lightly with individual houses and small compounds, some left over from a now-diminished New Age religious group that believed in building bomb shelters in preparation for nuclear war. A lot of empty dwelling places are listed for rent, and even more are probably available if you know who to ask.

Lori and Chad would then have to rent a cabin, or RV, or doublewide out on the end of a Jeep trail without leaving an evidentiary trail.

Could The Cox Family Help?

Here we enter an area that hasn't, in my mind, been given enough attention, and that is the politics of the Cox family.

That family has demonstrated an organized contempt for government authority, and at least one member of that family has impressive credentials to present to any like-minded individuals. And Montana is well populated with such individuals. It is plausible that, without any theology being involved, Lori and Chad could have had a suitably remote dwelling rented by a family member from someone with similar political views; someone who under no circumstance would cooperate with law enforcement, especially after being told by that third party the rental was to hide the children to keep them from being kidnapped by the government.

Wouldn't The Children Starve or Leave?

Being good preppers, Lori and Chad would have ready access to all the necessary survivalist rations and material to enable Tylee and JJ to stay out of sight with minimal or no contact from people who might be followed by law enforcement. And even if Tylee was not 100% sold on the idea of being isolated, being a city mouse out in the middle of the woods without even a compass (much less any wilderness skills) would be almost as good as a fence in keeping her and JJ from walking out to civilization.

Why Two Trips?

If (really big if) this was the plan, then after visiting Yellowstone on the 8th of September, Alex and Lori would have taken Tylee to the dwelling in the woods to get it ready and accept deliveries of supplies. (She was, by her own admission, used to being left alone at Alex's place.) JJ would have stayed visible in Rexburg to disguise what was going on and then been driven up to the dwelling by Alex sometime between the 24th and the 30th of September.

As I said, this is all pure speculation and opinion on my part. I have no evidence other than an absence of refutation. But I believe that this scenario, or some variation of it, is more plausible than one in which Alex kills Tylee in Yellowstone and then he and Lori wait two weeks to murder JJ (and dispose of his body) when they are in the middle of planning the shooting of Brandon and the attempt on Tammy's life. Sadly, most of Chad and Lori and Alex's plans went awry; and if this one did it would be just as tragic as if the children were murdered.
I think this way too complicated for them to plan and then pull off. I can’t figure why they would make killing the kids so complex.

I don’t buy that Lori was a diehard prepper and cult member. She just wanted to hang out in Kauai. That is why she needed a big score. They did no end of days planning or prep the entire time they were in Hawaii. For her, end of days turned into smokescreen for the murder of her kids.
 
  • #636
You are asking all the same questions I have--especially about the Thanksgiving Weekend Weddings.. Not just one but TWO weddings!!

Supposedly last minute for MP to go to IP family for Thanksgiving because she didn't have anywhere to go so he invited her while on the way there. Then to get married 2 days later ???
Oh.. and SURPRISE--Uncle Alex is here getting married also.

Everytime she is asked about the JJ and Tylee she turns the conversation back to her troubles and woes because, you know, she was going through all that stuff of her own. Never answers the question about the kids.

Plus she doesn't question Aunt Lori or Uncle Alex about not seeing the kids after she moves there and when she went to visit on the weekends.

NOPE--not buying all their mumbo jumbo BS
I really tried to stay open minded listening to Nate's interview and I honestly don't know how he kept a straight face during all the BS that was spewing all over. JMO
Another thing that bothered me is at one point in the interview she basically said that when she moved to Idaho she had way too much stuff on her plate at the time with her own divorce and what-not that she couldn't be bothered about Lori's kids (paraphrasing, obviously). Well if she was so stressed out about what's going on in her life with her ex-husband and worrying about her own children, with moving, etc., then how in the world does she find the time, energy, motivation, and clarity to sign up for a dating app, pursue a relationship, and get married within 10 days of meeting the first guy you happen to hook up with on the app - who also happened to be in the same exact situation with pretty much the exact same story? And Ian says he ran across and reached out to her for their first date on the very day he downloaded and installed the app. Yeah, I'm not buying their story. Such a hurried courtship and marriage for one person alone under such circumstances would be a stretch to believe, especially when there's a previous marriage and children involved. Such things don't happen on a whim or spur of the moment choice. But now they expect us to believe it happened not only for one of them, or even with two different people under such circumstances, but six different people under similar circumstances - Chad, Lori, Alex, Zulema, Melani, and Ian? Unfathomable.
 
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Jmo but starting to wonder if Mark Means is connected to Jarvis and Smith and if he’s fueling these media releases.
Absolutely--they are planning their defense.
MP went from not being cooperative to now being on every talk show and interview possible.
This is what it is all about with MP and IP and group.
Strategy-- remember, "Lori always has a plan"
 
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I guess that's not a clue to their honesty? jmo

Ian says nothing substantial was ever recorded with Chad and Lori because they never talked about the missing children. Okay...

jmo
 
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RSBM

In a similar vein, the location of the interviewees is noteworthy. Ian and Melani are not doing the interview in person, but rather appear to be doing it electronically from the safety and comfort of the Attorney's office. That office represents a refuge and safe place for them, again indicative of self-preservation, rather than meeting with a potential adversary on their own home turf which could be viewed as dangerous.

I chalk that up to coronavirus.

Why did she take Tylee away to Hawaii, away from her father without his knowledge or permission, when there was an ongoing custody dispute? In most places that would be considered kidnapping and/or custodial interference. Why did she abandon her husband Charles and her adopted son JJ for nearly two months, with no sign or word from her on where she went? Why did she cancel Charles' flight home forcing him to buy a $600 ticket instead, take his truck from the airport, drain his business account of $35,000 dollars, change the house locks and take his property, attempt to lock him out of his own life insurance policy, make threats against him to the point he feared for his own life, etc., etc., etc.,? Why are the children missing and have been now for 8 months with no sign or word from them? And I could go on and on and on. No drama? No judgement? Unconditional love? Seriously?!? Are you even listening to the words coming out of your mouth? Melani truly must have been brainwashed if she really believes that.
Please don't think I'm defending Lori with this, just trying to answer your questions about what possibly motivated her. First, people do crazy, spiteful, and childish things to each other during a divorce. I am divorced and my ex-wife did some really crazy and insidious stuff. I took the high road but I went through about a year of looking over my shoulder and wondering what she would do next. I never thought she would harm me but she did everything she could "to destroy me." She went from a sane, calm, rational person to a monster very quickly. Frankly, some of the things Lori did like canceling his plane ticket and so forth are not much different from what I went through. So I write those things off as just acts done in anger. In my case the only thing that stopped it was a letter from my lawyer to hers outlining her many violations of the protective order. (That's why I'm quite familiar with the standard orders in Arizona.) And remember, she did think Charles was cheating. "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned." Yeah, she was too but that's different!

The things she did with Joe Ryan are understandable as well. Colby alledged we was being molested. What parent would not fight tooth and nail to stop a molester from having any contact? We don't have a clear concensus on whether that actually happened but it doesn't matter. I think anyone with kids would agree that if there were even an allegation you would do whatever it took to keep your kids away from the person and court rulings and such would not matter. I'd risk being charged with custodial interferance to keep my child away from someone I believed were doing that even if police investigations did not support it.

And we can extend that to Alex. It's clear he though Joe was a pedophile. That's what he was alluding to in his jailhouse letters. He was charged with aggravated assault and plead guilty. The penalty for that crime in Texas is either 2-20 years in prison or 5-99 years depending on whether a taser is considered a deadly weapon. Alex got 90 days. That to me clearly means that the sentencing judge saw significant mitigating factors and the most likely is that he was going after the guy molesting his nephew and/or neice.
 
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In one of the interviews Melani commented that getting married quickly is encouraged in her religion. Having lived around Mormon communities most of my life, I have not observed that to be true but I have had a few friends that got married after dating a ridiculously short time (3-6 months not 10 days). I'm curious to hear from someone knowledgable about LDS whether Melani's claim is true. It was also my understanding that in LDS there is usually some kind of pre-marriage counseling (as in many churches) but I've never heard that it is mandatory. Is it plausibe that 2 devout Mormons would just decide on a whim to get married in Vegas 2 days later without telling anyone?
There is a heavy focus on marriage. But that doesn't mean go out and marry the first person who looks at you, within a fortnight. Generally speaking my observation and experience is that a long courtship and a short engagement is encouraged. As in take your time to find the right type of person, but once you find them and both agree then you get married quickly. Usually the engagement period can be several months though. It takes time to plan, prepare, send out invites, etc. And I've never personally witnessed an engagement/marriage happening within weeks of each other. And never have I ever heard about anyone being married within 10 days of first meeting each other. It stretches the limits of incredulity well beyond the breaking point. I don't think anyone buys it.
 
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