Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #32

[indicolite22]

I think it was LVD's friend that lived in Hawaii that LVD tried to get her to be one of the 144,000 followers.
JMO

This was before the case blew up in the media on December 20. Lori's Hawaii friend didn't know that the children were missing. Lori tried to recruit her back in February. But MG did know things because she was visited by police after the November 26 welfare check and spoke to Lori and Chad before refusing their explanation.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Ian shares details that he would cooperate with LE-he taped/recorded calls with Lori and Chad--
"
Ian shared other details, said he would cooperate with police and allowed them to pull data from his phone. He met with officers the next day, and they gave him a recording device to put on his keychain.

“My plan was to record anything I thought could help locate Tylee and JJ, locate Chad and Lori and understand what happened when Brandon was shot at,” Ian wrote. “If Chad and Lori were going to be calling, I’d turn on the recorder and just let it run until they’d hung up.”

Ian says nothing substantial was ever recorded with Chad and Lori because they never talked about the missing children.

On Dec. 19, police searched Alex Cox’s Rexburg townhouse, and Ian says he admitted to Melani that he had spoken with officers.

Not to beat a dead horse, but here again.. Ian was recording calls between MP and Lori and Chad in DECEMBER--when MP clearly states she did not speak to Lori in the 1st interview.

Also of Note** Remember when everyone was looking for Chad and Lori ??**
Well, MP states she knew they were going to Hawaii and that they were in Hawaii and above, Ian writes he was recording to see if he could help locate Chad and Lori.
SMH=-- these are just lies after lies from this group of so called "religious" people.

I think they’re using religion as an excuse to do and say what they want. Jmo

 

[Onsdag]

RSBM



I chalk that up to coronavirus.


Please don't think I'm defending Lori with this, just trying to answer your questions about what possibly motivated her. First, people do crazy, spiteful, and childish things to each other during a divorce. I am divorced and my ex-wife did some really crazy and insidious stuff. I took the high road but I went through about a year of looking over my shoulder and wondering what she would do next. I never thought she would harm me but she did everything she could "to destroy me." She went from a sane, calm, rational person to a monster very quickly. Frankly, some of the things Lori did like canceling his plane ticket and so forth are not much different from what I went through. So I write those things off as just acts done in anger. In my case the only thing that stopped it was a letter from my lawyer to hers outlining her many violations of the protective order. (That's why I'm quite familiar with the standard orders in Arizona.) And remember, she did think Charles was cheating. "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned." Yeah, she was too but that's different!

The things she did with Joe Ryan are understandable as well. Colby alledged we was being molested. What parent would not fight tooth and nail to stop a molester from having any contact? We don't have a clear concensus on whether that actually happened but it doesn't matter. I think anyone with kids would agree that if there were even an allegation you would do whatever it took to keep your kids away from the person and court rulings and such would not matter. I'd risk being charged with custodial interferance to keep my child away from someone I believed were doing that even if police investigations did not support it.

And we can extend that to Alex. It's clear he though Joe was a pedophile. That's what he was alluding to in his jailhouse letters. He was charged with aggravated assault and plead guilty. The penalty for that crime in Texas is either 2-20 years in prison or 5-99 years depending on whether a taser is considered a deadly weapon. Alex got 90 days. That to me clearly means that the sentencing judge saw significant mitigating factors and the most likely is that he was going after the guy molesting his nephew and/or neice.

My point was that Melani's claim that Lori has "always been somebody that has so much unconditional love and no judgment, no drama" flies in the face of truth and reason when compared to what we know of Lori's actions these past few years. Her actions don't bespeak of unconditional love. They don't depict a character who is non-judgmental. And they definitely don't represent the actions of someone who eschews drama. JMO.

 

[squareandrabbet]

My point was that Melani's claim that Lori has "always been somebody that has so much unconditional love and no judgment, no drama" flies in the face of truth and reason when compared to what we know of Lori's actions these past few years. Her actions don't bespeak of unconditional love. They don't depict a character who is non-judgmental. And they definitely don't represent the actions of someone who eschews drama. JMO.

Maybe somebody should force Melani to watch a few go-rounds of Lori, Tylee, and MG in the police station. ‘Drama-free’, my Aunt Fanny.

 

[Nurse Gen]

Maybe somebody should force Melani to watch a few go-rounds of Lori, Tylee, and MG in the police station. ‘Drama-free’, my Aunt Fanny.

Or her dramatic exit from the first hearing in ID when she smirked at Kay as she flounced out of the courtroom

 

[KonaHonu]

I guess that's not a clue to their honesty? jmo

Ian says nothing substantial was ever recorded with Chad and Lori because they never talked about the missing children. Okay...

jmo

So Ian says they were in communication with Lori and Chad and Melani says she had no way to contact them. Someone needs lawyers that can coach a consistent story.

 

[KonaHonu]

I don’t buy the whole “kids threatened by something so evil that it cannot be articulated” story. But for the sake of argument, if it was true, a terrified, caring mother would not putz around for rest of the summer, selling dogs and openly moving to a new town. A caring mother would have grabbed the kids and all three of them would go into immediate hiding. Or she could go to the police like a normal person. Caring mothers don’t dump their kids at random places, so they can go to Hawaii twice and live off of their kids’ SSI checks.

Lori left the Phoenix area around the end of August after her landlord asked her to leave. That was about 6 weeks after Charles's death. I find that a plausible period for threats to develop. And where else would she run but to the town your lover lives in? Maybe she checked and the apartment in Rexburg had a no pet policy. Yes, service dogs are not pets but do we know if the dog was truly a service dog as opposed to an emotional support animal?

Kay’s emails were not threats. They were desperate pleas to see JJ. Lori was irate over the life insurance, she was determined that Kay never see him again.

Even Kay admitted in an interview that she may have crossed the line at times. We have not seen the emails so I don't think any of us can make such a definitive declaration that there were no threats.

 

[Sorelle19]

The timing of these 3 marriages seems significant. There was a rush to get hitched before the end of the year. It's not random and no coincidence so what was the script they were all following???? BS on the "No Cult" from MPB, that's what they were all doing there in Rexburg and why they were marrying. I hope there's a digital trail laying out the reason.

Also, communication with between Lori, her mom and sister seem to have fallen off after the move to Rexburg. MOO, they all switched to burner phones.

 

[indicolite22]

Lori left the Phoenix area around the end of August after her landlord asked her to leave. That was about 6 weeks after Charles's death. I find that a plausible period for threats to develop. And where else would she run but to the town your lover lives in? Maybe she checked and the apartment in Rexburg had a no pet policy. Yes, service dogs are not pets but do we know if the dog was truly a service dog as opposed to an emotional support animal?
Even Kay admitted in an interview that she may have crossed the line at times. We have not seen the emails so I don't think any of us can make such a definitive declaration that there were no threats.

BBM. Kay had the last video chat with JJ in August, so I doubt she was sending threats before that or shortly after. IMO it was only after she had not heard from Lori for some time that her worry intensified.

Kay in a recent interview (video below): "I think I got ugly one or two times in those emails. After a little while I'm like, come on, this is enough. Stop! And let's... we need to see JJ."

Emails sent from Kay to Lori that went unanswered (excerpts from the emails):

August 10: "We're not up anything except to see our beautiful boy." Kay offers to fly to Phoenix to meet with JJ.

Around August 25: "Please let us visit JJ. Please let him FT us... We are begging. I'll do anything in order to see him."

September 18: Kay asks to see JJ for a weekend. "I'm begging you to have humanity and let us visit him. PLEASE!! LORI: What are you thinking? Are you even thinking?"

October 14 (final email): "NO NEED to cut him out of our lives. This situation can be managed in a civilly... Please tell him we love him."

All I see are attempts to have contact with JJ. Zero threats about taking him away. By the thrid email, Tylee was already gone. I can't imagine Kay sending other threats and begging at the same time.

Kay's emails are shown here:

 

[Sorelle19]

My theory if the kids are alive: they're in this house in AZ that Chad told a fellow passenger about on Sept. 19:

(from the Timeline) 19 Sept 2019 -The new nanny arrives to watch JJ; "When I walked inside, [Lori] mentioned how she was waiting for her brother to come and leave with her to the airport. She said she was going to the Idaho Falls airport. (Affidavit of Probable Cause Doc; East Idaho News, Fox13 SLC).

From MSM:

Rexburg woman recounts encounter with Chad Daybell during flight to Mesa in September (link)

The woman, who wants to remain anonymous, said she shared a pleasant conversation with Daybell during a flight on September 19 from Idaho Falls to Mesa.

"[Daybell] told me he was not writing those novels anymore about an apocalypse or something. He was just going in a total new direction in the books that he was writing," said the woman.

The woman said Daybell planned to help a relative in the Valley. A woman who needed to remodel her home.

"He said I hope we can get this work done in the time that I have before I have to be back," said the woman.
​

My questions:

1. Who/where was the relative’s home in the Valley that he was going to help remodel?
2. Was he a remodeler? I didn't know he had those skills.
3. Where was the house?
4. What did the "work" entail? Could he be retrofitting a residence for an anticipated long-term stay by the kids?
5. Did he have help with the "work?"
   
6. How long did he stay?
7. What were Lori's mom, sister, Alex and Zulema were doing while he was down there?

 

[KonaHonu]

BBM. Kay had the last video chat with JJ in August, so I doubt she was sending threats before that or shortly after. IMO it was only after she had not heard from Lori for some time that her worry intensified.

Kay in a recent interview (video below): "I think I got ugly one or two times in those emails. After a little while I'm like, come on, this is enough. Stop! And let's... we need to see JJ."

Emails sent from Kay to Lori that went unanswered (excerpts from the emails):

August 10: "We're not up anything except to see our beautiful boy." Kay offers to fly to Phoenix to meet with JJ.

Around August 25: "Please let us visit JJ. Please let him FT us... We are begging. I'll do anything in order to see him."

September 18: Kay asks to see JJ for a weekend. "I'm begging you to have humanity and let us visit him. PLEASE!! LORI: What are you thinking? Are you even thinking?"

October 14 (final email): "NO NEED to cut him out of our lives. This situation can be managed in a civilly... Please tell him we love him."

All I see are attempts to have contact with JJ. Zero threats about taking him away. By the thrid email, Tylee was already gone. I can't imagine Kay sending other threats and begging at the same time.

Kay's emails are shown here:

I don't necessarily believe Kay was threatening Lori. But if whe was I don't think she would have included those emails/texts. She says she got ugly but none of the emails she provided come close to being ugly so I suspect there is more. I don't think Kay is anything but authentic and worried about JJ so I'm not disparging her. I'm just saying that Lori's brother killed her brother undisputably and that would understandably lead to her being angry with Lori and maybe making threats about trying to get JJ back or making sure Lori does not get any inheritance.

 

[indicolite22]

My theory if the kids are alive: they're in this house in AZ that Chad told a fellow passenger about on Sept. 19:

(from the Timeline) 19 Sept 2019 -The new nanny arrives to watch JJ; "When I walked inside, [Lori] mentioned how she was waiting for her brother to come and leave with her to the airport. She said she was going to the Idaho Falls airport. (Affidavit of Probable Cause Doc; East Idaho News, Fox13 SLC).

From MSM:

Rexburg woman recounts encounter with Chad Daybell during flight to Mesa in September (link)

The woman, who wants to remain anonymous, said she shared a pleasant conversation with Daybell during a flight on September 19 from Idaho Falls to Mesa.

"[Daybell] told me he was not writing those novels anymore about an apocalypse or something. He was just going in a total new direction in the books that he was writing," said the woman.

The woman said Daybell planned to help a relative in the Valley. A woman who needed to remodel her home.

"He said I hope we can get this work done in the time that I have before I have to be back," said the woman.
​

My questions:

1. Who/where was the relative’s home in the Valley that he was going to help remodel?
2. Was he a remodeler? I didn't know he had those skills.
3. Where was the house?
4. What did the "work" entail? Could he be retrofitting a residence for an anticipated long-term stay by the kids?
5. Did he have help with the "work?"
   
6. How long did he stay?
7. What were Lori's mom, sister, Alex and Zulema were doing while he was down there?

Where was Tylee on September 19? If she was already in Arizona, how did she get there? IMO Chad (if it was him on the plane) was lying about remodelling. He also couldn't have been visiting MG, since she was (presumably) in Rexburg with Lori that day and so was Alex.

 

[indicolite22]

I don't necessarily believe Kay was threatening Lori. But if whe was I don't think she would have included those emails/texts. She says she got ugly but none of the emails she provided come close to being ugly so I suspect there is more. I don't think Kay is anything but authentic and worried about JJ so I'm not disparging her. I'm just saying that Lori's brother killed her brother undisputably and that would understandably lead to her being angry with Lori and maybe making threats about trying to get JJ back or making sure Lori does not get any inheritance.

After reading the letters and realizing their intent, it doesn't make any sense to me for Kay to threaten Lori. Kay knew she had to stay civil with her in order to maintain contact with JJ. Sending nasty letters between nice ones would sabotage her own efforts.

ETA: In late August Kay wanted to see JJ. Tylee disappeared in early September. How are they connected?

 

[KonaHonu]

After reading the letters and realizing their intent, it doesn't make any sense to me for Kay to threaten Lori. Kay knew she had to stay civil with her in order to maintain contact with JJ. Sending nasty letters between nice ones would sabotage her own efforts.

ETA: In late August Kay wanted to see JJ. Tylee disappeared in early September. How are they connected?

I completely agree. But even Kay says she got ugly at times so we can't dismiss that or the possibility that her ugliness was interpreted as threatening.

 

[Tortoise]

YES!!! I just went on a rant about the MP saying she had no phone number, contact number but she talked to LVD in December.
I forgot to add in there the "Recordings" from her own husband regarding phone calls.
It's all a bunch of BS and they are liars. JMO

It's so in our faces as well.

Ian said the FBI gave him a recording device that looked like a thumb drive on a keychain.

I'd like to know where he plugged that in, so that it wasn't visible to Melani, to be able to record Lori/Chad's end of the conversation on Melani's phone.

Does anyone here know how that works? Does she have to have them on loud speaker? Is it not a connected device?

 

[Tortoise]

Number 2 is about threats. I could be convinced that KW's texts might have been perceived as threats. In early October the shot at Brandon and subsequent events could have been perceived as a threat. But we need a threat in late August to justify the move and probably an escalation after that to convince me she put them in hiding.

rsbm

No reason to look to late August. She started making arrangements on 22nd July to get rid of JJ's dog, and I doubt she put that into motion without prior consideration about moving. That was about a week before she contacted Kay with the insurance beneficiary change form she'd found.

moo

 

[Sorelle19]

Where was Tylee on September 19? If she was already in Arizona, how did she get there? IMO Chad (if it was him on the plane) was lying about remodelling. He also couldn't have been visiting MG, since she was (presumably) in Rexburg with Lori that day and so was Alex.

So, the woman and her husband recognized Chad and spoke with him. That's pretty easy to check and I'm sure LE has done so. This is a theory so I don't know how Tylee would get there, but I can guess that she could have driven.

 

[April_Dawn99]

This posting is an effort to make sense out of some things that have been confusing me for a long time by constructing an admittedly highly speculative narrative. ... I believe that this scenario, or some variation of it, is more plausible than one in which Alex kills Tylee in Yellowstone and then he and Lori wait two weeks to murder JJ (and dispose of his body) when they are in the middle of planning the shooting of Brandon and the attempt on Tammy's life. Sadly, most of Chad and Lori and Alex's plans went awry; and if this one did it would be just as tragic as if the children were murdered.

SBM
I think as well that this scenario is the most plausible IF that BS about light/dark/cult things was not indeed guiding LVD and CD actions, but rather was their "mating dance", and was over inflated by CV due to his personal reasons, and later by BB etc. However, the amount of deaths and strange moves surrounding LVD and CD makes me doubt that.

 

[squareandrabbet]

SBM
I think as well that this scenario is the most plausible IF that BS about light/dark/cult things was not indeed guiding LVD and CD actions, but rather was their "mating dance", and was over inflated by CV due to his personal reasons, and later by BB etc. However, the amount of deaths surrounding LVD and CD makes me doubt

I don’t think these are mutually exclusive situations at all. I would say that Chad promising Lori a ‘reading’ on her family members probably ranks as a mating call; as would a result that outlays their ‘fantasy family’ as a clean-cut LDS fantasy, where everybody is like Ken, Barbie, and the ‘Sweet Valley High’ twins.

I would, however, in more sinister mien, point out that if Chad knew Lori was having difficulties with a rebellious Tylee, telling her that if she sticks with him she’ll be the mother of a ‘Dream Daughter’ (I think Tylee is a beauty, but I can’t imagine that uber figure and fitness conscious Lori liked having a plus-sized daughter), seems likely to both devalue Tylee and detach Lori emotionally from her; in much the same way Kay has echoed our thoughts by pointing out that calling JJ ‘my niece’s drug baby’ is distancing behavior designed to make it easier for Lori to separate from and then off JJ.

 

[LDS social scientist]

In one of the interviews Melani commented that getting married quickly is encouraged in her religion. Having lived around Mormon communities most of my life, I have not observed that to be true but I have had a few friends that got married after dating a ridiculously short time (3-6 months not 10 days). I'm curious to hear from someone knowledgable about LDS whether Melani's claim is true. It was also my understanding that in LDS there is usually some kind of pre-marriage counseling (as in many churches) but I've never heard that it is mandatory. Is it plausibe that 2 devout Mormons would just decide on a whim to get married in Vegas 2 days later without telling anyone?

MOO: The quick marriage may legitimately raise eyebrows and could perhaps be part of a pattern of strangeness, but I do not think it's evidence by itself of something nefarious.

Mormons do get married quickly on average, I'm sure, but I think the usual "rules" (not really rules) don't apply beyond the first marriage. There is no official pre-marriage counseling, though some couples (especially those married in temples) may consult with their bishop(s) beforehand. In any case, most of the identifiably Mormon marriage patterns (other than getting married sooner rather than later, perhaps partially to be able to have sex guilt-free) apply much more to temple marriages than non-temple marriages. Since MbP and IP were not married in a temple, applying Mormon "norms" is a little bit trickier; they could conceivably have just decided to do it quickly rather than draw out the process.