Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #32

[indicolite22]

From the transcript (Lori Vallow's niece talks about missing kids, FBI and her family's role in bizarre case):

ES: What explanation would she give though if her children were not there?

MP: If I would go into her home and I didn’t see them there, sometimes Tylee was out with friends, which wasn’t uncommon. She was a teenager that wasn’t home a lot. She spent a lot of time with her friends, she’s very social. And if I didn’t see JJ, she would tell me he’s either with a friend or has a nanny for him. He required a lot of therapy and time with special needs, so I didn’t have a reason to think that something was wrong. And I knew she was doing everything she could to kind of stay low and not tell people where they were.

Did any of Tylee's friends from Idaho come forward? How many friends can you make in a week? Don't you think they'd confirm to police that she was alive beyond September 8? Any other JJ's friends apart from the neighbor and any other nannies apart from the one from September 19? Any indication that Lori hired a therapist for JJ while they were there? I'm not sure if Melani realizes how absurd she sounds. She lived next door, never saw the kids in a month, not even coming and going, and didn't find it strange.

 

[April_Dawn99]

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What strikes me as odd, is Melani, Lori, and the rest of this group come off as wanting everyone to believe that they are very active in their religion, and are held in high regard. Yet, they all have these quick weddings that aren't even in a church, let alone a temple? There are no guests, no receptions, and they all happen super fast.

Something feels very off to me.

MOO

SBM
I have the same impression from the very beginning, they don't act like genuine believers. Numerous marriages, divorces, nasty custody battles, hate towards ex partners, numerous kids with separated parents - easy. Marriages not in the church, no family relatives present at weddings - like marriages don't matter that much, just a regular deal, like to go to the store. The role of church in their moves from one state to another can not be seen at all It feels very off.

 

[MadTing]

Entire 46-minute interview with Melani and Ian for 12 News below.

Transcript here: Lori Vallow's niece talks about missing kids, FBI and her family's role in bizarre case

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Take a shot everytime she says " Truth"

 

[indicolite22]

More from the transcript (Lori Vallow's niece talks about missing kids, FBI and her family's role in bizarre case | 12news.com):

ES: A lot of these more radical thoughts have been linked to Chad Daybell.

MP: Chad and Lori have never come forward and said what their beliefs are. The beliefs that we’re speculating come from a very heated divorce agreement. Papers that Charles initially started filing, all sorts of false beliefs. Nobody has come forward and said that. Everybody has decided for them what they do and don’t believe. As for Chad and Lori, in my experience being around them, they always have been active members of LDS and they’ve always encouraged me to go to the temple and pray and learn and read scriptures more and follow our prophet, President Russell M. Nelson.

Melani acknowledges that the beliefs that Charles accused Lori of having were false. She's seems to be aware they are outside of what the LDS church deems acceptable and is trying to disassociate Chad's group from them. Her reaction is to question Charles' claims.

 

[MadTing]

Not sure if i missed it be have melani or ian stated which one of them proposed the marriage?

 

[April_Dawn99]

More from the transcript (Lori Vallow's niece talks about missing kids, FBI and her family's role in bizarre case | 12news.com):

ES: A lot of these more radical thoughts have been linked to Chad Daybell.

MP: Chad and Lori have never come forward and said what their beliefs are. The beliefs that we’re speculating come from a very heated divorce agreement. Papers that Charles initially started filing, all sorts of false beliefs. Nobody has come forward and said that. Everybody has decided for them what they do and don’t believe. As for Chad and Lori, in my experience being around them, they always have been active members of LDS and they’ve always encouraged me to go to the temple and pray and learn and read scriptures more and follow our prophet, President Russell M. Nelson.

Melani acknowledges that the beliefs that Charles accused Lori of having were false. She's seems to be aware they are outside of what the LDS church deems acceptable and is trying to disassociate Chad's group from them. Her reaction is to question Charles' claims.

The transcript is different from what was actually said - MP actually said "Papers that Charles initially started filing making all sorts of false claims" (see 25:50 in video). So IMO it's quite different from what transcript says. She is not acknowledging that the beliefs that Charles accused Lori of were false, rather that Charles was making false statements. JMO

ETA : I would like to add that MP's statement that "the beliefs that everyone talks about come from CV's divorce statement" is false in itself. She also "proves" that by arguing that because LV and CD never came forward and said those explicitly, CV basically lied in divorce statement. We now see that CV got those beliefs from LV's and CD's emails, so it's not that he made them up.

 

[indicolite22]

Lori Vallow's niece talks about missing kids, FBI and her family's role in bizarre case

ES: Where did the ideas of light-dark and zombies come from?

MP: The initial light-dark was this document Charles brought over to our home when he was kind of being aggressive toward Lori. This document floating around that JJ is so many points light and Tylee is so many points dark and other family names on there. Trying to process what that means in our faith of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. It talks about light vs. dark and as you create positivity in your life, you try to be like our savior, you try to increase your light.
As you are listening to more negative things, inviting negative things in your life. It’s less light. That’s kind of how I explain it and understand it to my knowledge.

Apparently Charles brought Chad's October 2018 letter to Lori about Lori's family light/dark ratings to Melani's home. I wonder when this happened. Brandon must have been thrilled. Did Tylee ever see the document?
Melani isn't rejecting the content (makes it part of the LDS beliefs), so instead she tries to explain the logic behind negative ratings.

 

[indicolite22]

The transcript is different from what was actually said - MP actually said "Papers that Charles initially started filing making all sorts of false claims" (see 25:50 in video). So IMO it's quite different from what transcript says. She is not acknowledging that the beliefs that Charles accused Lori of were false, rather that Charles was making false statements. JMO

ETA : I would like to add that MP's statement that the beliefs that everyone talks about come from CV's divorce statement is false in itself. She argues that because LV and CD never came forward and said those explicitly, CV basically lied in divorce statement. We now see that CV got those beliefs from LV's and CD's emails, so it's not that he made them up.

Thanks for the correction. I quickly got tired of listening to Melani, so I read the transcript instead.

 

[k-mac]

Thanks for the correction. I quickly got tired of listening to Melani, so I read the transcript instead.

shes as interesting as watching paint dry......**yawn
yet....the new husband is dull beyond comprehension.
so fishy they could even get excited enough to 'madly fall in love" in a few days and commit to marriage spontaneously

moo

 

[indicolite22]

shes as interesting as watching paint dry......**yawn
yet....the new husband is dull beyond comprehension.
so fishy they could even get excited enough to 'madly fall in love" in a few days and commit to marriage spontaneously

moo

So nonchalant, like in the part when he says that he didn't think much of it when he learned that (presumably) Melani was accused of trying to kill her ex. If crazy doesn't phase him, then he's right at home in that family.

Ian: "There are just crazy things that happen and you don’t really think much of it, so when you hear people say ‘Oh this person tried to kill me’ or accused me of trying to kill them or this guy died for this reason, I guess it kind of sounds crazy not to give it a second thought, but you know, I know people have crazy things happen in their lives. So, I didn’t really think much of it."

Lori Vallow's niece talks about missing kids, FBI and her family's role in bizarre case

 

[MadTing]

The way she nonchalantly tries to explain the document found on ians computer as ian just jotting down rumours " other people briefly told her" The document started out like an extremely detailed and specific manual. its not even possible to remember all of those things in such detail from a conversation, or even to relay all of those details to somebody in such specific detail. She must have had some kind of document of her own that she got from chad or lori with all the details that she was showing or gave a copy to ian imo.

Link to the rest of those document

READ: Exhibit from Brandon Boudreaux's court filing | East Idaho News

 

[squareandrabbet]

SBM
I have the same impression from the very beginning, they don't act like genuine believers. Numerous marriages, divorces, nasty custody battles, hate towards ex partners, numerous kids with separated parents - easy. Marriages not in the church, no family relatives present at weddings - like marriages don't matter that much, just a regular deal, like to go to the store. The role of church in their moves from one state to another can not be seen at all It feels very off.

I thought I saw someone saying that when Melani was explaining her quickie Vegas marriage, she was also blathering on about how she and Ian still hoped to be married in a temple ceremony.

Lori’s friend April also said that she and Lori attended the same temple long enough to become friends.

I caution against making the mistake of assuming that because Lori et. al. are not acting like ‘real devout LDS’,; that this means these people don’t fully BELIEVE they are good devout LDS.

 

[indicolite22]

I don't doubt for a moment that Melani was given an explanation from Lori about the kids' whereabouts. And it wasn't that they were with friends, because that would only work a couple of times and not for a whole month. Wasn't Lori in Hawaii getting married in early November? Where did Melani think Lori's kids were during that time? On the other hand, if Melani suspected that the kids were dead the whole time, why did she wait until early December, after the call from (presumably) MG to relay her fears to Ian? In the last interview we learn that MG was told incriminating stuff (zombies) by Lori. Now both Melani and Ian are trying to cast doubt into MG's story. I wish MG had receipts.

 

[squareandrabbet]

The way she nonchalantly tries to explain the document found on ians computer as ian just jotting down rumours " other people briefly told her" The document started out like an extremely detailed and specific manual. its not even possible to remember all of those things in such detail from a conversation, or even to relay all of those details to somebody in such specific detail. She must have had some kind of document of her own that she got from chad or lori with all the details that she was showing or gave a copy to ian imo.

Link to the rest of those document

READ: Exhibit from Brandon Boudreaux's court filing | East Idaho News

the problem, IMO, is the stress involved in expecting this bear of very little brain to be able to adequately explain away this nonsense with a ‘double duty’ explanation.

By which I mean, Melani simultaneously has to come up with explanations that make sense out of and defuses the stuff that she told to Ian; as well as simultaneously excusing and defusing Ian’s rendition/translation of what she told him, when it’s so clearly obvious the type of cognitive dissonance that disclaiming true beliefs will yield.

To an extent, this would be an impossible task for anyone; and it isn’t made any easier by the fact that I’m sure Ian told the truth in his original panicked jottings to his ex-wife as much as he could decipher it; and was not yet planning on or looking like he had coordinated anything with Melani.

 

[longtimereader]

So nonchalant, like in the part when he says that he didn't think much of it when he learned that (presumably) Melani was accused of trying to kill her ex. If crazy doesn't phase him, then he's right at home in that family.

Ian: "There are just crazy things that happen and you don’t really think much of it, so when you hear people say ‘Oh this person tried to kill me’ or accused me of trying to kill them or this guy died for this reason, I guess it kind of sounds crazy not to give it a second thought, but you know, I know people have crazy things happen in their lives. So, I didn’t really think much of it."

Lori Vallow's niece talks about missing kids, FBI and her family's role in bizarre case

He is telling the public this is nothing to focus on. It's normal. Everybody has crazy stuff. Move along.

 

[TLobo]

Melani sure talks about talking to Chad a lot for only having been in the same town for what, a little over a month? It's frequently, "Chad and Lori say this," "talking to Chad and Lori about that... " How well could she have gotten to know him in the brief amount of time that they overlapped in Rexburg?

I maintain that these interviews are primarily about making Ian and Melani look better for their own custody cases. Their lawyers have no obligation to make Lori look blameless, just to make IP and MP out to be clueless to any nefarious activity.

 

[Tortoise]

As usual, there's something that's not adding up.

About Ian's 'zombie' document. And the small matter of Detectives Hope and Hermosillo being identified in it as dark translated humans.

These detectives were not in Chad's "family history" email to Lori of October 2018.

If they were in the document Charles had early on in 2019, which Melani would like to pin on him, it would be quite amazing of Charles to have predicted that Hermosillo would come knocking on Melani's door in November asking who lives in Lori's apartment.

(Nate Eaton interview part 2) :

Eaton: We can transition with that into everything you allegedly told Ian and what he wrote down. Ian, can you explain the background about how this document came to be?

[...]

Melani: I think it’s important to understand where some of these things come from. Initially, when Charles filed for divorce with Lori, he brought a document over to my home with me and Brandon. We were still married, and everything seemed OK.

Charles had never said anything ill about Lori ever. He just thought the world of her and worshipped her. As soon as she just started asking questions, he just flipped. He came over to our house and said, “Lori is crazy.” He showed us this document, and that’s the first time I saw this. It said something about Tylee being dark and JJ being light, and I’m trying to process all this.

It’s these patterns of narcissism where everything’s fine until you start asking questions. I did see the same exact pattern happen with my ex-husband. Everything was fine, and he thought the world of me until I asked some questions he was uncomfortable answering.

(Same interview part 2) :
Eaton: When did you guys find out there was an investigation and JJ and Tylee were missing?

Melani: I’m foggy on this date but (Rexburg Police) Detective Hermosillo and another gentleman had come to my door while I was moving my stuff in so it had to have been early in November – I’d guess the second week in November.

The detective said, “Do you know who lives next door?” And I said, “Yes, I think Alex’s name was on the lease, so sometimes my uncle’s over there, sometimes my aunt goes over there,” and I didn’t know what that was about. That was it. That was my first encounter with Rexburg Police.

Eaton: And that’s when they said the kids are missing?

Melani: No, no.

Goodness knows what she means when she said Lori goes over there. It was Lori's home and she had rooms all set up for JJ and Tylee! Sounds to me like she was being deliberately evasive with police. Melani had even been out to stay with Lori there before she moved to Rexburg - while the children were missing. Alex had his own apartment.


This is also in our timeline:

Mid Nov 2019 – Chad and Lori return to Rexburg after their Kauai honeymoon and live together in the townhouse Lori rented in Sept 2019 (Dateline).

Abt 19 Nov 2019 – About a week before conducting a welfare check on JJ and Tylee, a police officer came to SB’s door asking questions about Lori and her children. SB is the neighbor who had helped Lori move into her Rexburg townhouse with the children in Sept 2019 (Fox 13 Salt Lake City).

So the detective apparently didn't ask Melani about the children, and Melani never mentioned them either, even though she only thought they were out with friends, nannies, at therapy and at school, or was it that she thought they were being kept safe from people trying to harm them?

More double-speak - She became afraid when Lori's friend contacted her, and dumped on Ian, but she reassured the FBI that Lori was keeping them safe from threats:

(Nate eaton interview Part 3) :
Melani: My first meeting with FBI, I shared a lot of these things I’m sharing with you, Nate, and they were like, “OK, this isn’t where we thought this was going at all.” We haven’t heard this other side of why Lori would be doing what she’s doing and why she does not feel safe to say where her kids are and why she needs to protect them.


Back to the zombie document. I'm fairly confident that Hermosillo had to have been added to it after his visit to Melani in the second week of November. So either Melani was taking over Chad's role, identifying light and dark spirits in their midst, or, as I suspect, Chad wrote it after Hermosillo's visit and before Chad ran away on 27th Nov. Probably around the time Ian met Chad for the first and only time, after the 20th when he first took Melani on a date, and they told him he would be taking the reins concerning care of Melani, when Ian thought they were "different" and Melani explained "porting". Excuse me while I pinch myself.

So Melani has not said that Chad gave her the document, or gave her the information which she then whispered in Ian's ear on their wedding night. Hmm. Our new truth-teller doesn't seem able to mention who the source of the zombie information is, even in the face of the emails from Chad that have been uncovered, and seems to want us to conflate the original 'family history' document with Ian's very different 'Hermosillo/Hope' docucument, the one 'narcissistic' Charles Vallow, what? - created? Is that what she's inferring?


MOO

 

[medtraveler]

I think Lori is the type who would soon see her daughter as competition, just like she likely saw Colby's wife, so she did not encourage Tylee to stay fit.

Out of all the images/video Ive seen of Tylee, there was really only one photo where she looked very happy and carefree, and I finally saw that she looked so much like Lori. it wasnt obvious because of the extra weight, and heavy emotions she often carried.

And yeah, i agree that Lori would feel insecure if tylee blossomed, sadly.

 

[indicolite22]

Melani sure talks about talking to Chad a lot for only having been in the same town for what, a little over a month? It's frequently, "Chad and Lori say this," "talking to Chad and Lori about that... " How well could she have gotten to know him in the brief amount of time that they overlapped in Rexburg?

Melani said that she first met Chad in late 2018. IMO she knows a lot more about his beliefs than she lets on.

I maintain that these interviews are primarily about making Ian and Melani look better for their own custody cases. Their lawyers have no obligation to make Lori look blameless, just to make IP and MP out to be clueless to any nefarious activity.

She's making a whole lot of effort to make Lori look blameless by repeating at least 10 times how good of a mother she is, who would never hurt her kids.

 

[MadTing]

Hmm. Our new truth-teller doesn't seem able to mention who the source of the zombie information is, even in the face of the emails from Chad that have been uncovered, and seems to want us to conflate the original 'family history' document with Ian's very different 'Hermosillo/Hope' docucument, the one 'narcissistic' Charles Vallow, what? - created? Is that what she's inferring?

Funnily enough i got this exact impression for a brief moment watching the latest interview, like she was trying to plant the seed of the only time she has ever seen such documents is from charles brining it over to her house.

What was the deal with the email lori sent to chad claiming to be from charles again? Its hard to keep up with all the details on this case at this point!