Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #33

[CSIDreamer]

Since she has hidden her daughter once before, does anyone think there is a sliver of hope that she is hiding them now? Her daughter is much older now but she might go along with this to take care of her brother. Would Lori do this just to spite the in-laws who might want custody of her son?

I think the difference is she just ran off with Tylee and Joseph didn't know where they were.

This new hiding is completely different.

I could be wrong. Jmo

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

BBM
Yes, embarrassing for Lori, Chad, and anyone else that has helped them. NOT for the various LE entities or the state of Idaho, for many reasons. First, like it or not if you don't cooperate with CPS, there will be an investigation. If you are a fringe, anti-government law breaker, who doesn't like that fact and don't want to be held accountable, move to some other country. Children are not your property, they have a right to safety from adults who want to play deadly games with other family members and authorities. Secondly, what she has done (if they are still alive), is extremely abusive IMO and will take years if therapy for both of the kids, not to mention Colby, to recover from. She will not get custody back, so it's not like there won't still be a court process for Idaho to place them in shelter care. Third, it's not as if there aren't several (3-5) different death investigations happening right now that she is at the center of, so holding her for the extremely serious charge of deserting her children helps them keep tabs on her, and everyone who follows this case knows that. Moo.

If Lori really was worried about custody then she went about this all wrong jmo. Now Idaho really has a reason to seek custody

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

If Lori really was worried about custody then she went about this all wrong jmo. Now Idaho really has a reason to seek custody

They already have custody, now they have even more of a reason to KEEP custody.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

[snip]

ETA: Yes, we also have 2 missing kids but I'm not ready to conclude they are dead. If they were put in hiding the charges Lori would face are hardly more serious than a speeding ticket and would be hugely embarrassing to the various jurisdictions in Idaho that have likely spend millions already to pursue a misdemeanor. There must be huge pressure to justify all this. Because with everyone assuming the worst, they look like the good guys. If the kids are shown to be alive and well they will suddenly face a different public view. As politicians I'm sure they are thinking of this.

Agreed. I have this nagging fear that Tylee and JJ are stashed somewhere and that our drama queen is going to unveil them at some point and embarrass and sue the government entities and MSM to the great glee of those around her who harbor antiestablishment sentiments and possibly supported her and Chad in the charade.

 

[indicolite22]

Since she has hidden her daughter once before, does anyone think there is a sliver of hope that she is hiding them now? Her daughter is much older now but she might go along with this to take care of her brother. Would Lori do this just to spite the in-laws who might want custody of her son?

This is way too costly, time consuming and highly unpleasant for her to do it out of spite and then escape jail by producing the kids at the last minute. IMO it definitely wasn't planned that way. Obviously they didn't understand the way a welfare check works. Their response was improvized.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

They already have custody, now they have even more of a reason to KEEP custody.

Thanks for the correction!

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Agreed. I have this nagging fear that Tylee and JJ are stashed somewhere and that our drama queen is going to unveil them at some point and embarrass and sue the government entities and MSM to the great glee of those around her who harbor antiestablishment sentiments and possibly supported her and Chad in the charade.

So say that does happen. Does she even have a leg to stand on to sue after all she’s pulled?

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Who’s investigating the Lori Vallow case? The internet
Who’s investigating the Lori Vallow case? The internet
One aspect of CBS News’ upcoming special will focus on the internet’s investigation

 

[DI_Isokawa]

So say that does happen. Does she even have a leg to stand on to sue after all she’s pulled?

I don't think that matters. Having MSM and LE standing around with egg on their faces would be reward enough for certain people. And to remain TOS-compliant, I'll simply add that a meritless lawsuit would not be a surprise to those of us who have roamed the cyberspace outside WS in search of a thing or two.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

I don't think that matters. Having MSM and LE standing around with egg on their faces would be reward enough for certain people. And to remain TOS-compliant, I'll simply add that a meritless lawsuit would not be a surprise to those of us who have roamed the cyberspace outside WS in search of a thing or two.

BBM
Could you please explain this sentiment to me? I am having an extremely difficult time understanding where you are coming from. Thanks.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

I don't think that matters. Having MSM and LE standing around with egg on their faces would be reward enough for certain people. And to remain TOS-compliant, I'll simply add that a meritless lawsuit would not be a surprise to those of us who have roamed the cyberspace outside WS in search of a thing or two.

Thank you for sharing

 

[DI_Isokawa]

This is way too costly, time consuming and highly unpleasant for her to do it out of spite and then escape jail by producing the kids at the last minute. IMO it definitely wasn't planned that way. Obviously they didn't understand the way a welfare check works. Their response was improvized.

I agree that it is unlikely that hide+unveil was part of the Grand Plan, although I think stashing Tylee and JJ was. Then things went wrong (again).

I think the panic started to grow with the realization that the attempt on Brandon's life had been witnessed and really set in with the exhumation of Tammy Daybell. Alex dies and the pressure is off a little but Tammy's death is still a problem. So sometime between 12 Dec and 23 Dec they drop the Grand Plan, lawyer up, and issue the statement the kids are OK. Chad repeats this March 2 after Lori is arrested. Then they come up with the hide+unveil plan, possibly with the support of the same political sympathizers that helped them hide the kids.

All just opinion and speculation on my part.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

BBM
Could you please explain this sentiment to me? I am having an extremely difficult time understanding where you are coming from. Thanks.

PM sent.

 

[FindingJoLee]

Cult mom Lori Vallow was sued by ex-husband for hiding her daughter | Daily Mail Online

Custody agreement details at:
'Cult mom' Lori Vallow had been sued by her ex-husband for hiding her daughter

Thank you for sharing these. That raises a big question I've had all along about when Joe adopted Colby. I'll leave it at that.

I love how she lists ownership of only $200 worth of clothing in the bankruptcy filing, but then turns right around and lists $100/month as her clothing expenses.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Agreed. I have this nagging fear that Tylee and JJ are stashed somewhere and that our drama queen is going to unveil them at some point and embarrass and sue the government entities and MSM to the great glee of those around her who harbor antiestablishment sentiments and possibly supported her and Chad in the charade.

Let her produce them first and we will see. She is in no position to sue anyone.

 

[Bellat]

I believe she said she was having thanksgiving with people she loved and told the detective she didn't care that her place had been broken into. She made it sound like it was robbed not searched with a warrant. She said the detective told her she had to talk to him about it. She repeated she had everything she wanted with her (iirc her iPad) and didn't need to talk to him. Is that what you are thinking of?

Yes this part bothered me too. As if any other normal person wouldn’t have called the detective right back to see wtf was going on at her place. It would be interesting to see her phone logs from that day.... did she text Lori or Alex to give them a heads up? Or did she ask them if their places were broken into as well? Just her saying she put off calling the detective back was weird. It would take you two minutes to call back and find out what was going on. Maybe Lori or Alex told her not to call him back or maybe she already knew from them that her place was being searched... Either way it makes look bad that for sure.

 

[JLouiseB]

I totally agree. It is getting increasingly hard to believe they are safe. But she has not actually had any opportunity to present her case yet. Once she got arrested the advice she would have received would be to not say a word for good reason. Even saying the kids are safe could be incriminating at this point. And if they truly are, she will get off with little more that a $1000 fine for lying to the police.

At this point, producing the kids is really no longer an option. But if they trul are safe, producing a video with Tylee saying Hi guys, we're good, my mom did not harm us while holding today's paper could be extremely embarrassing for many.

I have to respectfully disagree, at the moment, though it could change at any time! I think Lori is all about Lori, so I cannot see her sitting in jail, with roots showing, if there was any way to produce the children without any major jail time, hence my belief that she is playing along and hoping she will be able to somehow be saved by some technicality or an end days scenario where the walls of the prison come tumbling down. Since she doesn't have a family that actually has much contact and she sounds like a loner, Chad is her best hope at the moment. I think she probably finds it easy to take on and off whatever belief system helps her survive at the moment!

Since she has hidden her daughter once before, does anyone think there is a sliver of hope that she is hiding them now? Her daughter is much older now but she might go along with this to take care of her brother. Would Lori do this just to spite the in-laws who might want custody of her son?

I think she might do it out of spite, because that seems to be an emotion that she appears to operate from but I can't imagine that she has not thought about the repercussions of bringing two people back to the world, not one, as before, and then keeping them from telling what happened. I think the daughter was quite a bit younger then, so more easily persuaded.

 

[Bellat]

It occurred to me while reading this, how did Melani already know by the 2nd week in Nov that BB had hired a PI to follow her to Idaho? Who told her about the PI that had just followed her there (using a GPA tracking device) on Nov 4th, and when did they tell her? Also, she seems to be really careful not to mention the trespassing incident that landed her in jail in Utah the 2nd week of Nov. I wonder if the officer visiting her at the Rexburg apts, happened before or after she went to Utah with Alex? She went to Utah with her uncle around the same time frame as the officer coming to ask who lived next door, but she wasn't sure which unit Alex lived in or didn't know for certain who was living in the unit next to her? Huh? I also wonder, was Tylee's Jeep impounded by then? Last I knew, we didn't have the specific date LE located Tylee's Jeep and took it in to be processed, we only know that happened in Nov. Did AxC and Melani possibly take the 2020 Telluride to Utah because they couldn't take the Jeep? And how did Melani know that BB and their kids were in Utah at his parent's house on Nov 12th? Was there a mole feeding her info? Did she hire her own PI? Or could the police have tipped her off about the PI tracking her there when they impounded Tylee's Jeep with a warrant? And if the Jeep was already impounded and she knew that, where did she think Tylee was the 2nd week of Nov?

The Nov timeline for a refresher: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE* NO DISCUSSION

Yes as always good points. I have kept up most everyday on this site but I do have a question...... do we know why the LE went to their townhomes mid November? I only remember hearing about them going after Kay reported JJ missing...I feel like I am missing something.

 

[JLouiseB]

BBM
Could you please explain this sentiment to me? I am having an extremely difficult time understanding where you are coming from. Thanks.

I agree about having a hard time understanding that sentiment. I think that no-one would be face-egged for caring about where her children were. There is just not enough evidence in the ether, that would suggest that someone was threatening the children, in a way that would suggest that she should just make them disappear.

 

[MTW2011]

I apologize as this may have been shared and discussed already, admittedly I am behind on catching up on the new posts.

this article (it is from DailyMail UK so take that however you may) mentions that almost a decade ago Lori’s ex husband had sued her for allegedly hiding Tylee during their custody battle. I thought that’s certainly an interesting tidbit if true.

story is found here, the beginning of the article mentions “Alleged cult mom Lori Vallow was previously sued by her ex husband for hiding her daughter - more than a decade before her recent charges over the disappearance of her two children” Cult mom Lori Vallow was sued by ex-husband for hiding her daughter | Daily Mail Online

ETA - I just caught up and see this was shared a few posts back, my mistake. And just MOO but I don’t think the children are in hiding somewhere, I just found this allegation interesting at the lengths Lori would go to during a custody battle even before this mess of a situation she’s caused today.