Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #41

[janx]

Maybe it's someone who actually has any criminal defense experience...you know...to maybe help him out

Her lawyer doesn't have any criminal defense experience? And what happened to her other lawyer, the supposed "bulldog"?

 

[Nikynoo]

Lots of confusion about the shooting. The attached diagram shows my reconstruction based on the transcript of the 911 call, which was confirmed by Justin Lum's interview of neighbors.

The Jeep was laying in wait parked on the wrong side of the street up against an uninvolved car.

After the shot, the Jeep trailed Brandon for a while but Brandon did turn into his driveway. Understandably, Brandon reported he was being followed when actually the Jeep was just trying to get out of there.

Hope this helps.

Thank you so much! Not a skilled get away driver then!

 

[Forever Young]

That's interesting because she didn't seem to understand how it all worked recently.

Other teachings alarmed Gibb, such as Chad creating a spiritual “portal” in Lori’s closet or other places.

“A portal is a spot where he said a prayer or something to create the portal. I wasn’t there, so I don’t know. … (But) it was a way for them to interact spiritually,” Gibb says. “I thought it was different. I thought, ‘How do you do that?’ … It was pretty extreme, but to me, everything was new.”

Part 1: Melanie Gibb describes Chad and Lori Daybells' religious beliefs and her relationship with the couple | East Idaho News

Basically, IMO, it is akin to what used to be called "meeting on the astral plane". IOW, you think of me and I'll think of you fantasizing.

 

[Nikynoo]

Lots of confusion about the shooting. The attached diagram shows my reconstruction based on the transcript of the 911 call, which was confirmed by Justin Lum's interview of neighbors.

The Jeep was laying in wait parked on the wrong side of the street up against an uninvolved car.

After the shot, the Jeep trailed Brandon for a while but Brandon did turn into his driveway. Understandably, Brandon reported he was being followed when actually the Jeep was just trying to get out of there.

Hope this helps.

Sorry, I've just read the transcipt of the 911 call. From what I'm reading it appears that BB went around the block and stopped to call 911 (lines 265-268), the jeep then went past him as he was parked up as that was the only way out of Pecos Manor. I suppose once BB saw that the jeep was going/gone he then went back to his home.Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Sorry, I've just read the transcipt of the 911 call. From what I'm reading it appears that BB went around the block and stopped to call 911 (lines 265-268), the jeep then went past him as he was parked up as that was the only way out of Pecos Manor. I suppose once BB saw that the jeep was going/gone he then went back to his home.Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

Thanks for looking that up. I thought I remembered it more like that but I hadn’t remembered the call.

 

[Forever Young]

Wondering what she gained by marrying AxC? Money? Odd her child didn’t know his last name or marriage? Very odd!

I think we have deduced that being married was prerequisite for being part of the 144,000.

 

[divineappt]

This is my first post, please bear with me. Several threads back, someone posted a picture of the dig spot, showing the orange duffle bag, on the blue tarp. The FBI photographer (CSI person?) is taking a picture, and that area of ground, IMO, looks stained, from bodily oils/fluids/decomp. The inside/bottom of the orange duffle (I can see handles on it) bag looks to be rotted out, from decomp. As far as any remains inside, that's hard to tell.

But, regarding the picture, at the bottom of that "H" looking thing, there's a cinder block. On that block is something black. I've blown up the picture, and IMO, it looks like a toy puppy. Any ideas on it? Again, this is JMO (lol those are my initials!) Thanks!

WOW! Thanks, that is the clearest shot yet. I can see where it shows up in our photos after 1st hole is dug, but cannot verify that it is not there before. I’m sure where it came from, but as has been said, facts are all that will matter.

ETA Saw this next post with a twitter photo from 11/23/19. Looks like the item is there then as well.


ETA It was a post stating it was there earlier, I need a break, can’t even read right!

 

[Lusitana]

It could have been more important to Lori to have him out of her way during the day. Especially if she was busy murdering her daughter. She would have needed a full time nanny for JJ.

moo

I am thinking JJ was enrolled in Idaho school for/as a "free babysitter" since his regular babysitter (Tylee) would no longer be around. I believe Tylees demise was planned in advance and new "babysitter" in place jmo
Is there a date of his 1st day at school?
Eta He was enrolled Sept 3rd per timeline, so within a couple days upon arriving in Rexburg.

I thought such as well. It just brought more strangers into the mix.

Maybe Lori had lots of things she wanted to do without JJ around? Him being at school certainly would expand her window of opportunity.

While I agree that, without Tylee around, she would have to actually care for him and I highly doubt she was ever interested in being a mother to JJ, registering him in school still doesn't make much sense to me. That, added to the fact that she allowed him to play with a kid that lived near them is just weird. If the plan was to off Tylee and JJ all along, then not letting them be seen would make more sense, I feel like @nhmemorymaker makes a good point: she let several strangers met JJ and that was super unnecessary. The fact that they most likely weren't killed at the same time also makes no sense. It looks like Tylee was the first to go, but I highly doubt JJ never asked about her and where she was, even though the poor child would just believe anything his poor excuse for a mother would tell him. JJ could never be the first one to go because Tylee would become a problem.
Even though JJ was probably easy to lie to, because he truly believed his dad was alive and just traveling, you never know how a kid is going to behave. Kids are umpredictable and, sometimes, say some interesting things. I can't imagine why she would take the risk of him saying something at school that would bring attention to the fact that Tylee was nowhere to be found.
I wonder if JJ and Tylee even met Chad or knew about him.

 

[Lusitana]

I think we have deduced that being married was prerequisite for being part of the 144,000.

If these people truly saw Chad as some sort of "leader", marrying the brother of Chad's new wife would be the easiest way to be closer to him. Why Alex just went along with this non-sense is what I really don't understand. I'm having a hard time seeing Alex really believe this non-sense, for some reason, but who knows.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Sorry, I've just read the transcipt of the 911 call. From what I'm reading it appears that BB went around the block and stopped to call 911 (lines 265-268), the jeep then went past him as he was parked up as that was the only way out of Pecos Manor. I suppose once BB saw that the jeep was going/gone he then went back to his home.Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

PM sent.

 

[adot0902]

I am thinking JJ was enrolled in Idaho school for/as a "free babysitter" since his regular babysitter (Tylee) would no longer be around. I believe Tylees demise was planned in advance and new "babysitter" in place jmo
Is there a date of his 1st day at school?
Eta He was enrolled Sept 3rd per timeline, so within a couple days upon arriving in Rexburg.

Hey Everybody! Still following along.
Just wanted to add my thoughts to this. A lot of government agencies require proof of things which keep benefits going for quite some time. She could have needed to "prove" JJ was being educated. I never saw that she had income per say, so with what we know about Lori loving not having to work with money, I'd say the main reason JJ went to school was for a check. I bet when court discovery finally comes out we see Lori was collecting large sums of money from various government agencies.

 

[indicolite22]

WOW! Thanks, that is the clearest shot yet. I can see where it shows up in our photos after 1st hole is dug, but cannot verify that it is not there before. I’m sure where it came from, but as has been said, facts are all that will matter.

ETA Saw this next post with a twitter photo from 11/23/19. Looks like the item is there then as well.


ETA It was a post stating it was there earlier, I need a break, can’t even read right!

Another photo (source: Chad Daybell pleads not guilty after bodies of missing Idaho kids found on his property):

 

[Forever Young]

<respectfully snipped by me>

I wonder if JJ and Tylee even met Chad or knew about him.

I think this is an important question, and I also asked if anyone had reported seeing ever Chad with the kids.

The one possible time that was suggested was the time MG reported when Chad, along with other people, stayed the night at Lori's house while she was still married to CV and before she moved to Rexburg. Chad was in town for a conference, and I think MG stated that she had invited him.

MG, in her interview with EIN, is not asked if the JJ and Tylee were there. If they were, there might have been enough other people there that they stayed in their rooms, but I have my doubt JMO that they were there.

I can't find any evidence that Chad and the children ever met, and I'm wondering if those times that he he told his kids that Lori was an empty-nester was what he actually believed at the time.

If Chad had never met the children, what possible motive would he have to kill them?

I know there is mention of the light/dark email, but is this hearsay at the present time?

I think back to the incident where AC and CD are questioned by police in front of Lori's apartment and the police report that CD acts like he doesn't know Lori very well, even though they were secretly married at the time! However, I think it could be that Chad really didn't know much about Lori, and that was no act!

Pure speculation and JMO!

 

[indicolite22]

Author warned Chad Daybell 3 years ago his teachings would ‘lead to death and sorrow’:

 

[janx]

That's interesting because she didn't seem to understand how it all worked recently.

Other teachings alarmed Gibb, such as Chad creating a spiritual “portal” in Lori’s closet or other places.

“A portal is a spot where he said a prayer or something to create the portal. I wasn’t there, so I don’t know. … (But) it was a way for them to interact spiritually,” Gibb says. “I thought it was different. I thought, ‘How do you do that?’ … It was pretty extreme, but to me, everything was new.”

Part 1: Melanie Gibb describes Chad and Lori Daybells' religious beliefs and her relationship with the couple | East Idaho News

"It was pretty extreme, but to me, everything was new."
Cults are like that...

 

[Deerrun]

Hey Everybody! Still following along.
Just wanted to add my thoughts to this. A lot of government agencies require proof of things which keep benefits going for quite some time. She could have needed to "prove" JJ was being educated. I never saw that she had income per say, so with what we know about Lori loving not having to work with money, I'd say the main reason JJ went to school was for a check. I bet when court discovery finally comes out we see Lori was collecting large sums of money from various government agencies.

Idk he was enrolled/unenrolled in previous school in AZ and enrolled/unenrolled in idaho
One would think if for a check she would have shown proof by homeschooling. Anyway another thing I think strange is she was able to enroll him in ID without transcripts from AZ . Is this why the timing, did ID school tell Lori get the transcripts to us or else JJ cannot stay. I read about the lack of transcripts from AZ in news story dont remember which one so jmo

 

[Forever Young]

<respectfully snipped by me>
The autopsy report has definitely been frustrating to a lot of us. I have almost felt that this particular autopsy report should have been beyond reproach or question, because if there was ANY death in this whole bizarre case that authorities (and a respective coroner) would've and should've KNOWN to look especially hard for any hard-to-find, difficult-to-detect, kryptonite, periodic-table-type poisons, THIS WAS IT! They couldn't have missed it! Could they?

I wonder if it is WE who are missing something Autopsy was physical exam, toxicology is drug screen. Could be we've only been privy to the physical exam and toxicology is still out? Speculation and JMO

 

[watergirl62]

I get your name now... I thought maybe you just liked swimming...

As a matter of fact, I have a lap lane reserved this afternoon.

It's not anything from the dig, if that's what you're thinking. It was there from at least 11/23/19 as per a video I saw on twitter posted on that date

This black dog on the cinder block is so intriguing to me for some reason... Is it maybe some sort of animal deterrent, like those fake owls?

 

[Rush4087]

I think we have deduced that being married was prerequisite for being part of the 144,000.

And was thought by some (apparently mistakenly, at least on one occasion) to be a prerequisite for collecting life insurance benefits and other assets following the "natural" death of a spouse

 

[gumchew]

I wonder if it is WE who are missing something Autopsy was physical exam, toxicology is drug screen. Could be we've only been privy to the physical exam and toxicology is still out? Speculation and JMO

I assume (maybe wrongly) that it is rarely in the prosecution's best interest to release every bit of evidence they have collected. That's why I get a little impatient with some criticisms of LE, because sometimes folks assume we know everything LE has learned, and therefore LE must be either slow-witted or lazy, and I'm sure that's never the case, i.e. we never have the full picture, and if we do it won't be until after it's played out in court. We know whatever is public info and whatever they've allowed to come out (for their own reasons).