Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #41

[Sorelle19]

This is my first post, please bear with me. Several threads back, someone posted a picture of the dig spot, showing the orange duffle bag, on the blue tarp. The FBI photographer (CSI person?) is taking a picture, and that area of ground, IMO, looks stained, from bodily oils/fluids/decomp. The inside/bottom of the orange duffle (I can see handles on it) bag looks to be rotted out, from decomp. As far as any remains inside, that's hard to tell.

But, regarding the picture, at the bottom of that "H" looking thing, there's a cinder block. On that block is something black. I've blown up the picture, and IMO, it looks like a toy puppy. Any ideas on it? Again, this is JMO (lol those are my initials!) Thanks!

Possibly the stuffed dog brought to the site for cadaver dogs.

 

[montegrl]

Was it seized because of the BB attempted shooting? I was under the impression that Chandler PD was working with Rexburg PD.

Yes, according to paragraph 7 of the affidavit. And Rexburg PD was working with both Gilbert PD and Chandler PD at that time.

 

[nyvictoria]

I’m several threads behind and trying desperately to catch up. Has there been anything new in MSM or from LE regarding MP? The last thing I read was the Cox family’s obligatory statement. No charges yet for MP?

 

[Forever Young]

BBM. No. They told people that Lori was an empty nester only after they got married (Nov 5). Beside that, almost a year earlier Chad rated her kids according to light/dark scale. He knew she had children from the start.

I was thinking that Chad could have been told the same thing as everyone else - that JJ was at his grandmother's and Tylee was at BYU - which would make Lori an empty-nester.

Together with Chad acting like he didn't know much about Lori, I wondered if the first time Chad heard anything about the kids missing was outside Lori's apartment with AC when the police stopped by. That would have been after they were married. Speculation and JMO

 

[sunflowerchick]

I know this was discussed before, but I must have missed the rest of the convo. If TR and JJ disappeared in Sept., TD was still alive. Where were the kids from the time of their disappearance to the time TD died? Or was CD brazen enough to bury them on the property while TD was there?

 

[Kamyria]

BBM. A family insider mentioned to Gray Hughes in text exchange (Dec 25 video) that Alex quit his job because he was expecting to get part of Charles' life insurance money.

As payment for killing him IMO.

Good point! This is very interesting detail that i was not aware of before... I haven't seen that video but if that's true then I can't imagine why Alex would expect to receive any part of Charles life insurance payout if it wasn't some sort of payment for helping Lori get rid of Charles. JMO MOO

 

[Deerrun]

When I read this, I immediately thought "cast iron Scottie dog". Now that it's in my head, that's that it looks in the picture. But I don't think there's enough resolution to really see that in the pic.

To me it looked ceramic because a piece is missing. Jmo it looks like something you would dig up in a yard that maybe a previous owner discarded years ago. I wonder when Chad was digging if he came across it and set it aside. Spooky wish we did know the answer to this not sure why it bothers me.

 

[JujuColumbo]

IMO Lori’s motive for murdering the children was REVENGE...she was extremely angry at not being able to collect on Charles life insurance. She took out her evil on Kay and her husband by making sure they would never see JJ again...and of course Tylee had to go first because she protected JJ with her life...this evil witch needs to be locked up forever....not a death sentence, a slow, confined life behind bars with no make up...

 

[gumchew]

So someone pointed out a section of LV's arrest affidavit yesterday that is bothering me and since we are discussing vehicles and locations I would love to hear viewpoints on this. I can't find the original quote for some reason (probably sleep deprivation) so I will quote it from other sources:

That same Jeep was seized from Vallow in November. Police noted, "It is significant that the vehicle (Tylee) regularly drove was still in Rexburg nearly two months after the last known sighting of (Tylee)." Mother of missing Idaho children told police her friend had her son. The friend said she was asked to lie.

Complete affidavit is here: READ: The documents charging Lori Vallow Daybell | East Idaho News

This is what bothers me: We know Lori was under surveillance since November 1st 2019 because of the attempted shooting of BB. At the time of writing this affidavit the police knew Tylee had been missing since September 8th 2019. So by saying the Jeep had been seized "nearly two months" after her disappearance means that police must have seized it in early November and not during the search warrants executed at the end of November. Do fellow sleuthers think that this points to the jeep being abandoned somewhere or do you think that LV and crew would have continued their bizarre behavior even though they knew the police were actively investigated them and had served a search warrant on them for the jeep? Curious for input, TIA!!!

I think you're conflating "seen" and "seized". The police affidavit from the RPD detective talks about surveilling the Jeep in early November. Hence the BBY statement above. The vehicle was still there and they know this because they were surveilling it. Nobody seized it until later in November.

Edit: actually the affidavit talks about the Jeep and surveilling LVD in the same paragraph. Unclear whether that means they clocked the Jeep at LVD's during that surveillance, but no mention of specific time of seizure. Just in November (mentioned a paragraph or 2 later).

 

[osu]

REALLY SHOCKING': A woman, who grew up right across the street from Daybell's property, said they felt safe, like nothing bad could happen.

"It almost taints your view of the whole neighborhood."

June 17, 2020

Neighbors of Chad Daybell in Idaho 'shocked' by deaths of children, his wife

 

[watergirl62]

So someone pointed out a section of LV's arrest affidavit yesterday that is bothering me and since we are discussing vehicles and locations I would love to hear viewpoints on this. I can't find the original quote for some reason (probably sleep deprivation) so I will quote it from other sources:

That same Jeep was seized from Vallow in November. Police noted, "It is significant that the vehicle (Tylee) regularly drove was still in Rexburg nearly two months after the last known sighting of (Tylee)." Mother of missing Idaho children told police her friend had her son. The friend said she was asked to lie.

Complete affidavit is here: READ: The documents charging Lori Vallow Daybell | East Idaho News

This is what bothers me: We know Lori was under surveillance since November 1st 2019 because of the attempted shooting of BB. At the time of writing this affidavit the police knew Tylee had been missing since September 8th 2019. So by saying the Jeep had been seized "nearly two months" after her disappearance means that police must have seized it in early November and not during the search warrants executed at the end of November. Do fellow sleuthers think that this points to the jeep being abandoned somewhere or do you think that LV and crew would have continued their bizarre behavior even though they knew the police were actively investigated them and had served a search warrant on them for the jeep? Curious for input, TIA!!!

That was me. It is item 8 in the probable cause affidavit, which does not explicitly mention when Rexburg PD served the search warrant on behalf of Gilbert PD for the Jeep.

According to EIN's timeline:
The next morning — Nov. 27, 2019 — the Rexburg Police Department is asked to serve a search warrant at the request of Arizona authorities. A Madison County Sheriff’s dispatch log indicates a phone pinged at the 565 Pioneer Road townhomes at that moment. The log also indicated the call related to a missing 7-year-old, now known to be JJ, and “homicide” investigations in Arizona. When police arrived, they discovered the Daybells had “abruptly” left.

So the Jeep was abandoned at the Pioneer Road townhomes.
eta: Based on best available information.

 

[montegrl]

I think you're conflating "seen" and "seized". The police affidavit from the RPD detective talks about surveilling the Jeep in early November. Hence the BBY statement above. The vehicle was still there and they know this because they were surveilling it. Nobody seized it until later in November.

Edit: actually the affidavit talks about the Jeep and surveilling LVD in the same paragraph. Unclear whether that means they clocked the Jeep at LVD's during that surveillance, but no mention of specific time of seizure. Just in November (mentioned a paragraph or 2 later).

I think since they had an active search warrant for the vehicle for a separate crime and weren't even aware that another crime was going to be investigated later in the month they would have grabbed the vehicle at the earliest opportunity. And if they had waited until the end of November wouldn't the wording be "nearly 3 months?" This is all MOO, I'm just trying to piece together what was happening. Thanks for your input!

 

[tresir2012]

Haha!! Sure?

Yeah. I'm not a Trekkie.

 

[indicolite22]

I was thinking that Chad could have been told the same thing as everyone else - that JJ was at his grandmother's and Tylee was at BYU - which would make Lori an empty-nester.

Definition of empty-nester I found says that it is "a parent whose children have grown up and left home". So no, it wouldn't apply to Lori.

Together with Chad acting like he didn't know much about Lori, I wondered if the first time Chad heard anything about the kids missing was outside Lori's apartment with AC when the police stopped by. That would have been after they were married. Speculation and JMO

You are kidding, right?

 

[Lusitana]

I think this is an important question, and I also asked if anyone had reported seeing ever Chad with the kids.

The one possible time that was suggested was the time MG reported when Chad, along with other people, stayed the night at Lori's house while she was still married to CV and before she moved to Rexburg. Chad was in town for a conference, and I think MG stated that she had invited him.

MG, in her interview with EIN, is not asked if the JJ and Tylee were there. If they were, there might have been enough other people there that they stayed in their rooms, but I have my doubt JMO that they were there.

I can't find any evidence that Chad and the children ever met, and I'm wondering if those times that he he told his kids that Lori was an empty-nester was what he actually believed at the time.

If Chad had never met the children, what possible motive would he have to kill them?

I know there is mention of the light/dark email, but is this hearsay at the present time?

I think back to the incident where AC and CD are questioned by police in front of Lori's apartment and the police report that CD acts like he doesn't know Lori very well, even though they were secretly married at the time! However, I think it could be that Chad really didn't know much about Lori, and that was no act!

Pure speculation and JMO!

I don't think that it was possible for Chad to not know Lori had Tylee and JJ. If I recall correctly, he "rated" them and knew their names and ages, so he had to know. And, since she really believed/believes the stupid stuff he was claiming, I bet she wanted to give the correct information in order to get a correct "rate", and that would include her telling him they are her kids. He knew about Tylee's dad and that he had already passed away. I think whatever happened to those kids, Chad was a participant. Even though I think Lori is the worst, I don't think she ever actually did the killing part. Lori doesn't really love Chad, she loves the idea of Chad, the great leader or whatever she thinks he is. And for Chad, Lori is the perfect new wife: good looking, super into his "teachings". The World would've been a much better place if these two never met.

 

[gumchew]

So the Jeep was abandoned at the Pioneer Road townhomes.

Yeah that's what I'm inferring from the timeline and affidavit also. I think it likely that the Jeep was seized in the Nov 27 search, from the Pioneer Road townhouse, where it had been abandoned.

 

[tresir2012]

I think since they had an active search warrant for the vehicle for a separate crime and weren't even aware that another crime was going to be investigated later in the month they would have grabbed the vehicle at the earliest opportunity. And if they had waited until the end of November wouldn't the wording be "nearly 3 months?" This is all MOO, I'm just trying to piece together what was happening. Thanks for your input!

I do seem to remember a pic of the jeep taken by the PI hired to watch MB. It was in a garage in Az late Oct early Nov IIRC. Anyone have the pic and link handy? It was seized in Rexburgh though. Maybe MBP was using it ever since Tylee had disappeared. MOO.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I was thinking that Chad could have been told the same thing as everyone else - that JJ was at his grandmother's and Tylee was at BYU - which would make Lori an empty-nester.

Together with Chad acting like he didn't know much about Lori, I wondered if the first time Chad heard anything about the kids missing was outside Lori's apartment with AC when the police stopped by. That would have been after they were married. Speculation and JMO

Well, even if that were true, he then immediately called MG and asked her to lie.

 

[gumchew]

The inside/bottom of the orange duffle (I can see handles on it) bag looks to be rotted out, from decomp. As far as any remains inside, that's hard to tell.

I think @vislaw said they had confirmed with some primary source that the actual remains are not on display at any time anywhere in those photographs; that they had been carefully shielded from view (overhead or otherwise) at all times out of respect for the decedents and their families.

 

[tresir2012]

As a matter of fact, I have a lap lane reserved this afternoon.




This black dog on the cinder block is so intriguing to me for some reason... Is it maybe some sort of animal deterrent, like those fake owls?

I think it is a dog grave. BTW I have a fake owl.