Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #41

[Spartygirl]

I'm all for MG testifying in this case (and possibly other court cases in the future), but still feel as if she's establishing some brainwashing "excuse" for the MBP and LVD. IMO, there is no excuse.

Yeah, she scares me a little
Not sure if she will be a viable witness or not.
JMO

 

[JoJoJoey2407]

BBM-
I wondered about that statement about her not eating.
Was she afraid to eat because she was worried someone might "SLIP" something into her food ??
This whole family is crazy and full of mysterious deaths surrounding them.
JMO

It's hard to tell, but if a diabetic doesn't eat, and I don't mean just skip a meal) it can cause their blood sugar to rise. Unless insulin is given, the blood sugar will keep rising, eventually putting that person into Diabetic Ketoacidosis (DKA). The person becomes totally out of it, delirious, etc. It is a horrible feeling. Long term effects, as in the person continues this way, can cause organ shut down, death.

Source: Me as a diabetic.

 

[RickshawFan]

f you get advice from a leo in these situations, take it.

Respectfully snipped. I'm just really confused by the word leo.
Do you mean leo as in the astrological sign? An "end of days" belief? That might kinda work, IMO, but where did it enter the case? In CD's books?
I hadn't really thought of astrology being in the picture, but not a whole lot would surprise me any more in this case, what with pendulums and portals and prior lives and zombies.... Not to mention, "my woo portal says TD will soon be in a car accident, so seize the opportunity to move towards a new relationship". And off rushes LV to Idaho, thinking TD would meet her imminent demise, and she had permission to shack up with the "new relationship", no scruples needed.
On a tangential subject, I wonder if CD got ideas for his prognostications from the astrology column in a local newspaper? He really doesn't seem creative in his own right: maybe he just cribbed all his woo writings?

 

[SiberianSleuth]

I have a feeling Tylee saw through MBP and thought she was "full of it". No doubt, MBP was on the receiving end of the eye rolls, sassiness, telling her off, and not sparing any punches.
I also have a feeling MBP was trying to make Tylee look bad in this piece—as in "she was an uppity teenager, good riddance"—while seeming to be a caring auntie. Evil.

This! Tylee was over their BS! Was calling out lies and just wanted to take care of JJ. Probably said something like, ”you do your crazy, JJ and I are going to see Kay. The Jeep is as much mine as it as is yours.” Knowing Loco Lori couldn't call in the jeep as stolen. My money is on Lori killed Tylee. And I don't think Tylee was stupid enough to eat or drink anything Loco gave her.

Grammar edit, I'm sure I've missed others too

 

[Spartygirl]

Well, there is the testimony of CV saying that LV threatened to kill him. PD dropped the ball. CV's attorney, also apparently dropped the ball. Why didn't his attorney go immediately to the PD and tell them that CV had told him the same thing and now it had come to pass.

That is so heart-breaking. They act as if they think CV is the crazy one.

UGH-- and don't even get me started with the Chandler PD messing up the whole crime scene and investigation of CV death.
How the heck they took AxC word(s) ( because he changed his story a few times) as gospel, I will never know.
Oh, wait, LVD showed up and flirted and laughed with LE and that was that.
Idiots.

 

[Spartygirl]

He screwed himself by not immediately taking the leo's advice on going to pick up JJ from school. It would have shown that his level of concern matched what he was saying to them. Instead he was more concerned about payroll - understandable but it undermined his point.

If only he had shown that was his top priority in that moment.

But I don't believe he was worried about the kids at this point.
LVD had only threatened HIM, not the kids

 

[The First Article]

I really believe you should follow LE’s advice, yes. But I want to make sure you and I are working with the same facts. I feel so strongly about CV’s character, that I can’t drop trying to understand you.

Are you saying that CV should have gone and got his son, and left with him and that would have prompted some legal issue? What issue would that have been unless he refused to give him back to Lori which the officer also made sure to tell him NOT to do? So I don’t understand how you listen to one thing they say, but not the other?

IMHO, what he shouldn’t have done is never drop the divorce proceedings and try to get back together. But that isn’t what either one of us are discussing.

I know this is just both our opinions. I do value opinions and discussion.

A display of genuine fear that prompted action could have been noted in the write up by the police. If he had picked up his son he could have limited or denied access while contacting a lawyer. Then immediately set up the court proceedings to prove he is not denying her out of anything other than genuine concern. You can be held criminally responsible for not protecting your children even if it is the other parent. A genuine immediate attempt to set up parenting coordination or request evaluations through emergency custody proceedings is perceived favourably so long as he too is willing to have a psychological evaluation too.

Contrary to what you hear, 70% of men who pursue custody get it so long as they do not give up immediately. That could be bias, and it could be that men generally only pursue custody full out when they fear the Mother's competence.

You shouldn't keep your kids from the other parent unless there is real danger. You immediately moving to assure that this issue is addressed when you take the kid shows you are not wanting to take the kids away or punish the other parent. You aren't then keeping the kids away, you are formally, meaningfully and in a documented manner attempting to find a way forward to resolve the situation.

He is in no more danger of being punished for doing that than Lori was for doing it. Or BB.

What it means to not keep the kids away has a broader meaning.

 

[Spartygirl]

Quote--The whole bunch is uneducated with no curiosity about the world around them.

"lack of curiosity" is a symptom of some conditions that can be hereditary.

Yeah, their own little bubble that revolves around THEM.

 

[The First Article]

But I don't believe he was worried about the kids at this point.
LVD had only threatened HIM, not the kids

He mentions several times over the various body cams footage that he is concerned about the kids too. He almost doesn't seem to want to mention it and his voice modulation changes when mentions it at least twice, once in one of these two we have just seen and once in the one that is at night.

 

[The First Article]

Respectfully snipped. I'm just really confused by the word leo.
Do you mean leo as in the astrological sign? An "end of days" belief? That might kinda work, IMO, but where did it enter the case? In CD's books?
I hadn't really thought of astrology being in the picture, but not a whole lot would surprise me any more in this case, what with pendulums and portals and prior lives and zombies.... Not to mention, "you'll soon be in a car accident".

OH!

LEO - Law Enforcement Officer.

Don't think this cult is into astrology
****just went and looked and it looks like some of the PaP are indeed into astrology.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

A display of genuine fear that prompted action could have been noted in the write up by the police. If he had picked up his son he could have limited or denied access while contacting a lawyer. Then immediately set up the court proceedings to prove he is not denying her out of anything other than genuine concern. You can be held criminally responsible for not protecting your children even if it is the other parent. A genuine immediate attempt to set up parenting coordination or request evaluations through emergency custody proceedings is perceived favourably so long as he too is willing to have a psychological evaluation too.

Contrary to what you hear, 70% of men who pursue custody get it so long as they do not give up immediately. That could be bias, and it could be that men generally only pursue custody full out when they fear the Mother's competence.

You shouldn't keep your kids from the other parent unless there is real danger. You immediately moving to assure that this issue is addressed when you take the kid shows you are not wanting to take the kids away or punish the other parent. You aren't then keeping the kids away, you are formally, meaningfully and in a documented manner attempting to find a way forward to resolve the situation.

He is in no more danger of being punished for doing that than Lori was for doing it.

What it means to not keep the kids away has a broader meaning.

I honestly didn’t know you could do something like that. What would it be called? She had a mental evaluation / and assessment and passed. Would the suggestion you are making led to a more thorough evaluation, or just your thought that she would drop proceedings?

 

[JoJoJoey2407]

Tyler's birthday is on Sept. 24th? That is so close (albeit 2 years earlier when LVD did that bday greeting to her) than when JJ was last seen! JMO

**Tylee's not Tyler's. Dang spellcheck!

 

[Spartygirl]

Everything about this case reminds me of a maze. We have two beautiful children murdered. With so many family members involved my head is spinning. Who did what to who and when it happened. I just finished reading the petition for the upcoming custody’s hearing of MP’s children . I can’t believe some of the information in this document. It beginning to seem as if she knows more than she’s telling anyone.
She visited LVD in Hawaii sometime in October after the children went missing.

BBM-- I have always thought that she knows more than what she lets on.
IMO--she knows most of it

 

[Ohmeohmy]

The one police officer (the woman) didn't fully believe him or didn't think Lori's want to be married to Moroni was all that big an issue and reacted at one point with annoyance at what she seems to have thought was a religious slight. The young police officer was just doing his job and that format of questioning being emotionally difficult is intentional. The young officer did an admirable job of using it too while giving Charles a way forward. The younger officer wanted to help him.

The dissatisfaction you feel at this style of questioning is an intended effect of it.

When Charles asks the lady officer if she is LDS and she says yes.. He proceeds to explain the religious beliefs that Lori is claiming. By doing that the officer knew right then and there Lori was off the skids and it sounds like a mental break. MOO

 

[The First Article]

I honestly didn’t know you could do something like that. What would it be called? She had a mental evaluation / and assessment and passed. Would the suggestion you are making led to a more thorough evaluation, or just your thought that she would drop proceedings?

There are several names and I think they may be different in different jurisdictions. My ex did this with me and it backfired on him.

Parenting assessment, parenting and custody assessment. There are psychologists and child play therapists who specialize in these and your lawyer will probably know one.

Oh sorry, and yes it does lead to a deeper dive assessment which can then lead to more of them if the person(s) evaluated to be problematic is ordered to received therapy and parenting help in order to gain access to the children. It can be ordered by the court.

 

[The First Article]

When Charles asks the lady officer if she is LDS and she says yes.. He proceeds to explain the religious beliefs that Lori is claiming. By doing that the officer knew right then and there Lori was off the skids and it sounds like a mental break. MOO

Women loving angels and thinking they'll be with them in the after life is quite common. She diminished its importance (not a ufo). Being zealous is seen as a good thing by many who proclaim faith.

My opinion, that cop didn't find it off the rails.

 

[gumchew]

i still think "uncles" are Alex and Chad.

I understand what you mean now, thank you. It took me a few minutes before I worked out why someone might refer to Chad as MP's "uncle". Just lands a little weird for me, I guess, due to the brief period of time they've been married or that MP has even known him. Is that an LDS thing? Or perhaps a regional thing?

My wife and I have aunts and uncles who are widowed and have remarried, and though those new spouses are beloved members of our respective families, they didn't inherit the title "uncle" or "aunt".

 

[diggndeeperstill]

There are several names and I think they may be different in different jurisdictions. My ex did this with me and it backfired on him.

Parenting assessment, parenting and custody assessment. There are psychologists and child play therapists who specialize in these and your lawyer will probably know one.

I knew that kind of thing could happen in a divorce, just not in this setting. Agree in hindsight though, I’m sure Charles would have taken both kids and disappeared if he knew what was ahead.

 

[Spartygirl]

It's hard to tell, but if a diabetic doesn't eat, and I don't mean just skip a meal) it can cause their blood sugar to rise. Unless insulin is given, the blood sugar will keep rising, eventually putting that person into Diabetic Ketoacidosis (DKA). The person becomes totally out of it, delirious, etc. It is a horrible feeling. Long term effects, as in the person continues this way, can cause organ shut down, death.

Source: Me as a diabetic.

Right.. I have friends and friend's children with diabetes and understand the "food" structure so there is that in regards to her sister's health.
It can be very dangerous to not eat if this is the case.
I just wondered if she was leery of a family member and didn't want to eat due to what could have been put into the food/drink.
It does make sense she could have died from the diabetes if she chose not to eat healthy.
JMO

 

[diggndeeperstill]

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