Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #41

[Knox]

At least Lori’s friend April (from Hawaii) said during an interview what MBP should have said: They both should be brought up on murder charges.

April is the only credible person I have seen interviewed so far in this whole mess. MG is still protecting certain aspects of her involvement/knowledge, MOO.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I think they are only on EIN's youtube channel.

ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE* NO DISCUSSION

Ok, that makes sense because I knew they had already been released and seen here. I was trying to figure out why the post about them yesterday. Just uploading to YouTube makes more sense. Thanks.

 

[A2FMNST]

I realize you can change your name easily. But, didn’t they get married over the weekend? Would the change of names be processed via the Nevada court system? I guess it’s a one stop shop wedding facility.

Hubby and I both lived in Michigan but did a destination wedding in Vegas and got married in the chapel at Paris. We had our reception in one of the ballrooms.

I had to change my name in Michigan, my place of residence. This was 2003. I’m not sure if it still works the same.

 

[indicolite22]

who was doing the timelines and wondered about the gap in October and Lori's visit to Hawaii? Was it you @Tortoise ? I had a thought last night when reading the timeline. Tylee's friend sent a text and it wasn't answered for about 6 days. I think this is because Lori did not take Tylees phone with her to Hawaii in October, she left it in Rexburg, and answered the text when she came back to Rexburg. This should hopefully narrow down the timings of the October Hawaii visit.

MOO

Part of the timeline (concerning Lori and MBP):

Oct 10: Lori sends CR money via Tylee's Venmo
Oct 15: MBP texts BB about a move to Boise
Oct 16: Lori sends CR money via Tylee's Venmo
Oct 23: Lori attends a memorial for Tammy in Rexburg
Oct 25: Reply to a friend from Tylee's phone

 

[Drc40]

Snipped and bolded by me for focus. Interesting that Melani claims she saw some of the kids items and that Lori had a room set up for them but when LE knocked on her door in November she acted like didn't know for sure who lived where:

Melani: I’m foggy on this date but (Rexburg Police) Detective Hermosillo and another gentleman had come to my door while I was moving my stuff in so it had to have been early in November – I’d guess the second week in November.

I get a knock at the door, and I open it and see police, and I’m jumpy because what is my ex up to? What’s the next thing? Are my kids OK?

The detective said, “Do you know who lives next door?” And I said, “Yes, I think Alex’s name was on the lease, so sometimes my uncle’s over there, sometimes my aunt goes over there,” and I didn’t know what that was about. That was it. That was my first encounter with Rexburg Police.

Melani and Ian Pawlowski discuss religious beliefs, disturbing court documents, why Lori Daybell isn't talking and what they know about missing kids | East Idaho News

Also, we know the nanny that watched JJ in Sept said there was no indication Tylee lived there and JJ was sleeping on a mattress on the floor in Lori's bedroom. If there was a bedroom set up for Tylee then it wasn't there for a very long time. What happened to Tylee's bed and other personal items between Sept 8th when she was last seen alive and Sept 18th when the nanny first visited the townhome? MBP would have had to visit Lori sometime during that window of 10 days to see Tylee's stuff but not see Tylee there. There's no way I believe she didn't question Lori about where her cousin Tylee was on that Sept visit. And then when the police knocked on her door, she didn't even want to admit she knew which apt was Lori's even though she knew full well that Lori had lived in the apt next to hers. Why was she covering for Lori at that time? This whole thing stinks!

MOO.

God Almighty! It more than stinks. If you really think about it and take everything Melani Bimbreaux said and correlate it to what we know the blatant lies are patently obvious. This women has no business being alone with children. I know she’s a mother but it’s looking like her involvement with the monsters is much deeper. At the very least she knew something and I hope she gets slapped in cuffs. It feels like she’s obstructed the investigation. I can’t see her winning any custody case.

I just want to scream as more and more comes out. It’s maddening.

 

[BeckyF]

April is the only credible person I have seen interviewed so far in this whole mess. MG is still protecting certain aspects of her involvement/knowledge, MOO.

Yes, when you hear her talk about the situation, she actually talks like she isn’t possessed and has rational thoughts.

 

[Nikynoo]

Part of the timeline (concerning Lori and MBP):

Oct 10: Lori sends CR money via Tylee's Venmo
Oct 15: MBP texts BB about a move to Boise
Oct 16: Lori sends CR money via Tylee's Venmo
Oct 23: Lori attends a memorial for Tammy in Rexburg
Oct 25: Reply to a friend from Tylee's phone

Thanks. Are you sure about Lori attending the memorial on the 23rd?

 

[Grixote]

How possible is it for MP to get hit with some kind of perjury or contempt charge for lying during the custody case?

And how likely is it for what comes out in the custody case to become potential evidence in existing or future criminal cases?

MP is in serious trouble on the custody side. But I wonder if that’s the “least” of her problems.

 

[April_Dawn99]

God Almighty! It more than stinks. If you really think about it and take everything Melani Bimbreaux said and correlate it to what we know the blatant lies are patently obvious. This women has no business being alone with children. I know she’s a mother but it’s looking like her involvement with the monsters is much deeper. At the very least she knew something and I hope she gets slapped in cuffs. It feels like she’s obstructed the investigation. I can’t see her winning any custody case.

I just want to scream as more and more comes out. It’s maddening.

Hmmm, now that CD and LV are in jail, I wonder if those who continue to believe in their BS (like MBP maybe?) consider that they have to take over the mission...

ETA: If there are any, of course
ETA2: I am very much sure about the cult thinking in here, no matter what the underlying reasons for them were. They all, including CD, justified their longings and actions to themselves through this cult BS MOO

 

[Gardener1850]

agree... and also how she said “I think Alex’s name was on the lease”.

weird statement. Was she trying to throw off LE by saying “on the lease” to allude he doesn’t really live there? Or did he really not live there but need a place to crash or hide a body?

I think she said that to avoid answering LE's question directly about who lived next door. The neighbor in Rexburg said Alex lived in Lori's unit for about a week before getting his own unit. So, technically, it might have been accurate to say "Alex's name is on the lease" and maybe his name was on the lease of Lori's apt. But it's bull hockey for her to say it that way and not come right out and say who was living where in November. Alex had just helped MBP move there. No matter how hectic her move was, and even if she didn't see Lori when she moved in, she would have known exactly where Alex lived and where Lori lived. I don't buy that she was really unclear on who was sleeping where at that time-- she was getting Alex's help with moving and Alex was driving her around state to state looking for her kids in November. I believe MBP played dumb to the police on purpose, pretending she didn't know who was in the unit next to hers. What was her purpose for lying or telling half-truths to the police is anyone's guess-- was she covering for Lori? Covering for Alex? Trying to distance herself from both Lori and Alex? Trying to make it seem like she wasn't that close to them or the situation? Whatever it was, it's not a good look.

MOO.

 

[Nikynoo]

How possible is it for MP to get hit with some kind of perjury or contempt charge for lying during the custody case?

And how likely is it for what comes out in the custody case to become potential evidence in existing or future criminal cases?

MP is in serious trouble on the custody side. But I wonder if that’s the “least” of her problems.

Only will be contempt if she goes against an order of the court. I can totally see what she says in court being keenly listened to by LE. If she later recants a statement that she has relied upon in a civil case, possibly perjury in the UK, but don't know about the US. I suspect you are right that the civil case is the least of her troubles........

 

[Nikynoo]

I think she said that to avoid answering LE's question directly about who lived next door. The neighbor in Rexburg said Alex lived in Lori's unit for about a week before getting his own unit. So, technically, it might have been accurate to say "Alex's name is on the lease" and maybe his name was on the lease of Lori's apt. But it's bull hockey for her to say it that way and not come right out and say who was living where in November. Alex had just helped MBP move there. No matter how hectic her move was, and even if she didn't see Lori when she moved in, she would have known exactly where Alex lived and where Lori lived. I don't buy that she was really unclear on who was sleeping where at that time-- she was getting Alex's help with moving and Alex was driving her around state to state looking for her kids in November. I believe MBP played dumb to the police on purpose, pretending she didn't know who was in the unit next to hers. What was her purpose for lying or telling half-truths to the police is anyone's guess-- was she covering for Lori? Covering for Alex? Trying to distance herself from both Lori and Alex? Trying to make it seem like she wasn't that close to them or the situation? Whatever it was, it's not a good look.

MOO.

I don't think MB(P) can answer a question directly

 

[indicolite22]

Hmmm, now that CD and LV are in jail, I wonder if those who continue to believe in their BS (like MBP maybe?) consider that they have to take over the mission...

ETA: If there are any, of course
ETA2: I am very much sure about the cult thinking in here, no matter what the underlying reasons for them were. They all, including CD, justified their longings and actions to themselves through this cult BS MOO

IMO now MBP's mission is to get (partial) custody of her children, to avoid charges in the murder attempt on Brandon AND in JJ and Tylee's murders. Also to present herself as regular LDS. Not sure what will happen to her belief in zombies and her allegiance to Chad and Lori. Maybe ZP will take over the leadership.

 

[Forever Young]

I think I asked the question previously, but didn't get a response. How can she get that much in SS?

Social Security survivor benefits from JRyan for TR, survivor benefits for JJ from CV, and additional for JJ from Social Security Disability.

The benefits for JJ could have been drawn indefinitely. Did LV really think that she could hide the fact that he was deceased for the next 15 years?

This sounds like a lot of money initially, but the benefits were for the support and education of the children, not her extravagant lifestyle. Really thought she could pull this off.

IMO, this is another sign to me that LV did hold the view that the world was going to end, along with all the rest of it.

 

[wenwe4]

What I find extremely interesting (and quite telling IMO) is that all of these AVOW/PaP etc., folks seem to want to distance themselves from CD & LVD but only when it gets to the Zombie part. They are all fine with multiple probations, meeting outside of the LDS mainstream but still trying to dance on the edge of both. Of course they are all now saying how they never meant to get to a place like this or that CD did this stuff on his own for his own evil deeds - but in the end - didn't they? They made money on books, gatherings, podcasts, etc. They exploited the belief system of the LDS mainstream (ie: god talks to mortal man, using seerstones (urim & thumin) and other divining tools are perfectly acceptable if they help spread message of 'truth', polygamy here and/or afterlife).

For those who wonder about the polygamy aspect, LDS mainstream church disavowed it in the 1800's to become a State. The LDS church agreed to follow "man's law" and those who wanted to openly practice polygamy moved out of the area (ie: AZ, MX, Canada). The church did not remove the passage about polygamy (D&C 132) still remains in print but official LDS church stance is they no longer practice it while many fringe groups still do. This was a big part of the Warren Jeff's case (the original case that brought me to WS). I am not sure if CD was attempting to do this but it would appear that TD was not a willing participant (if she was actually jealous when a female friend stopped by the family home according to JR). Maybe CD decided the only way would be if each wife was not alive when he married the next?

 

[Gardener1850]

I don't think MB(P) can answer a question directly

Ha, that's probably true! It will be interesting to see if she will be called as a witness in any of these cases and how she will respond to direct questioning on the stand.

MOO.

 

[Nikynoo]

IMO now MBP's mission is to get (partial) custody of her children, to avoid charges in the murder attempt on Brandon AND in JJ and Tylee's murders. Also to present herself as regular LDS. Not sure what will happen to her belief in zombies and her allegiance to Chad and Lori. Maybe ZP will take over the leadership.

Too late for that, that boat has long sailed...

 

[Knox]

For those who wonder about the polygamy aspect, LDS mainstream church disavowed it in the 1800's to become a State. The LDS church agreed to follow "man's law" and those who wanted to openly practice polygamy moved out of the area (ie: AZ, MX, Canada). The church did not remove the passage about polygamy (D&C 132) still remains in print but official LDS church stance is they no longer practice it while many fringe groups still do. This was a big part of the Warren Jeff's case (the original case that brought me to WS). I am not sure if CD was attempting to do this but it would appear that TD was not a willing participant (if she was actually jealous when a female friend stopped by the family home according to JR). Maybe CD decided the only way would be if each wife was not alive when he married the next?

BBM-this would seem to be the case, someone (MG maybe) said divorce was not an option for them.

 

[Nikynoo]

Social Security survivor benefits from JRyan for TR, survivor benefits for JJ from CV, and additional for JJ from Social Security Disability.

The benefits for JJ could have been drawn indefinitely. Did LV really think that she could hide the fact that he was deceased for the next 15 years?

This sounds like a lot of money initially, but the benefits were for the support and education of the children, not her extravagant lifestyle. Really thought she could pull this off.

IMO, this is another sign to me that LV did hold the view that the world was going to end, along with all the rest of it.

Thanks. Do you know how these amounts are calculated?

 

[Forever Young]

I have to say I am disgusted at all these people speaking out now when they all could have come forward about exactly what they knew when CV was still alive. A lot of lives could have been saved. The whole lot of them that have given these interviews. I see we have another one on Monday. What is going on?

I have come across JR's YouTube channel and EP also has a YouTube channel. They have been speaking about this going several months back. Pretty interesting to look back now and listen to JR's visions on how the kids were OK. They both, at the time, held Chad in high regard.

I think they are back-tracking now and also taking advantage of the publicity now that JR's visions proved to be so drastically wrong. But they both did have personal information to share, as to their relationship with CD.

Their YouTube videos have come up in my suggested for you feed for several months.