Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #41

[Redvines86]

So let me ask what I hope is an obvious thing to ask... is it possible MG was the original AZ woman? Just sayin'. Complicated people. JMO

I also think it's possible the original Arizona woman was Lori and Julie didn't understand that. I still think Chad and Lori knew each other for longer than we realize. MOO

 

[Forever Young]

I'm starting to wonder if Chad was open to moving towards polygamy.

I think we're up to 3 women he tried to or was involved with all while married to Tammy.

Maybe the self appointed ruler of the First Church of the White Tents needed multiple wives.

I think I suddenly understand how Sister Wives get roped into this. Ugh.

Jmo

This is something I have wondered about since day one. The doctrine of polygamy most usually plays a significant role in other LDS fringe groups and again, was foundation to its origins. Been waiting for that other shoe to drop, but so far, no one has mentioned it that I have seen. Would be a good question for MG? JMO

 

[Satchie]

agree... and also how she said “I think Alex’s name was on the lease”.

weird statement. Was she trying to throw off LE by saying “on the lease” to allude he doesn’t really live there? Or did he really not live there but need a place to crash or hide a body?

Alex did have his name on the lease of a unit there, are you absolutely sure that detail hasn't got mixed up, it seems like an easy error to introduce into the 'evidence'.

 

[gumchew]

I suspect this other women in Az was actually LV. I believe they met at a 2017 eclipse campout. No link but MOO.

If it wasn't LV, then this woman should come forward pronto.

But Julie Rowe says it was someone different whose husband had gotten wise and threatened to expose them. We know (I think) that didn't happen w/Charles until later. Do you think Julie Rowe is just confused and conflating the two? She seemed pretty specific about it being a separate woman, "before" LV.

Agree that whoever else has had any kind of romantic dalliance with CD should find some way to come forward and tell their story, in the interest of showing a pattern of deceptive behavior and helping ensure this criminal is convicted for a long time.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Another source for Lori's attendance of Tammy's memorial service in Rexburg:
Found Deceased - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #11

Going back to this... It just makes me think she had truly met Tammy. If she had, and others knew it, it would be suspicious not to be there. But if not, why go? Why risk it?

I have nothing in msm to quote saying she had met her. But I hope some reporter follows up on that question.

 

[The First Article]

I am watching the LEO body cam of CV explaining LVD's belief she is married to Moroni - CV stated LVD has "done Priesthood blessings" and is going to the temple every day. He stated she recently "had a break".
Is CV saying that LVD has elevated herself to "holding the Priesthood"? (ie: Priesthood is only reserved for males in the LDS faith - unless that has changed very very recently).

Could be he heard it from Lori but doesn't know that she is talking about Chad who has claimed he is Moroni and he is the prophet. In this scenario the priesthood blessing are Chad. Charles doesn't know that when she says she is married to Moroni she means Chad.

(on a side note: if your "priesthood" allows you to sacrifice children to your desires you are not worshiping Jesus but there are clear descriptions in the Bible about which deity that is. It even often involves fire. In theory as a "prophet" he should be familiar with such passages even in a cursory reading and therefore even from a religious pov he cannot claim not to know the difference between the moral distinction of right and wrong in this matter.)

 

[indicolite22]

There are a couple weird gaps in the timeline in October.

LORI
Oct 1-3 - in Rexburg (storage unit security footage)
Oct 4-22 - UNKNOWN
Oct 23 - in Rexburg (at Tammy's memorial - verified insider)
Oct 24-28 - UNKNOWN
Oct 29 - in Rexburg (neighbor's doorbell camera)
Oct 30-Nov 5 - UNKNOWN

MELANI
Oct 2 - at custody exchange w ex
Oct 22 - Notable here that she missed her court date
Oct 31 - Moving out of Rexburg with Alex's help

So if Melani was visiting Lori in Hawaii in October, it had to have been sometime from Oct 4-22 or Oct 24-28, since one or the other was known to be elsewhere the rest of the month.

Tammy was shot at Oct 9 and died Oct 19 -- was this trip to Hawaii meant to be Lori's alibi?

Melani also signed her lease agreement in late October (agreement was created on October 28): Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Akex did have his name on the lease of a unit there, are you absolutely sure that detail hasn't got mixed up, it seems like an easy error to introduce into the 'evidence'.

I don’t understand your question? I commented on a post that linked MP saying this. I am not doubting he did. Just think it’s weird to say that phrase rather than, “he lives there”.

 

[tresir2012]

Well Charles found the email of her dancing in early 2019 but I am not sure if he suspected before then. Chad stayed at the house the previous year IIRC. Personally I think he dropped JR when he met Lori.

This is in reply to @gumchew

Post I was responding to didn't show for some reason.

 

[gumchew]

I have to say I am disgusted at all these people speaking out now when they all could have come forward about exactly what they knew when CV was still alive. A lot of lives could have been saved. The whole lot of them that have given these interviews. I see we have another one on Monday. What is going on?

Or at least when TD and the children were still alive!!! Coming forward anytime in June, July or August 2019 could have saved 3 innocent lives.

 

[fred&edna]

SEE IT: ‘Cult mom’ husband Chad Daybell made advances to a married woman before meeting Lori Vallow, former friend tells Nancy Grace
Rowe told Grace that there was another woman in Arizona before Lori Vallow whom Chad had been texting. That went haywire when the woman’s husband intercepted the texts and told Daybell he’d go public with them if Daybell didn’t leave his wife alone.

Rowe, who said Daybell had also made sexual advances toward her, said that as far as she knew, she and the Arizona woman were the only people Daybell told about a vision he said he’d had of Tammy’s death.

Thank you for the link.

It's going to be difficult (to put it mildly) to logically or rationally discuss any statements from JR. JMO

 

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[JoJoJoey2407]

Leaving this here before I finish listening, I have already gagged in the first 10 seconds.
EXCLUSIVE: 'Cult Mom' husband wanted his late wife dead, former friend tells Nancy Grace

edited to add new info- Or maybe just new to me.

Julie Rowe says chad was texting another woman before Lori and that woman’s husband knew and threatened to expose him.

Tammy was on antidepressants.

Chad didn’t want Lori to stop by once when she was in town because Tammy was off her meds and dealing with jealousy.

Wow. Just wow!

 

[gumchew]

Consider the source. Chad said Tammy was depressed, off her meds and jealous. And he offered the info when explaining why JR couldn’t visit. Perhaps he and JR were romantically involved. Perhaps not but JR wanted to be. Perhaps Chad just didn’t want her as a houseguest. Who knows? But I give Tammy’s reported depression and jealousy no more credence than than Lori’s cookie get together w/the Daybell kids. Maybe it happened, but just because MG thinks it did doesn’t make it so.

Yeah, it just sounds like a cover. It may be that his reason for not wanting her even in town was just because of LV. Making up a Tammy excuse could have just been a cover for that. Keeping his paramours and former/potential paramours apart.

 

[yawningreyhound]

I'm pretty sure you guys have seen this police body cam video of CV at the hotel looking for LV, but what I'm gobsmacked by is the height of Charles Vallow. Wowzer!!!!!!

 

[spandangly]

I am watching the LEO body cam of CV explaining LVD's belief she is married to Moroni - CV stated LVD has "done Priesthood blessings" and is going to the temple every day. He stated she recently "had a break".
Is CV saying that LVD has elevated herself to "holding the Priesthood"? (ie: Priesthood is only reserved for males in the LDS faith - unless that has changed very very recently).

It's not exactly true that women don't hold the priesthood. They are given the priesthood in the temple and do perform priesthood rites with the priesthood power in the temple. There is also a long history of women performing blessings in the early church before that right was taken from them around the turn of the 1900s. There is still argument over whether Joseph Smith intended for the women to hold and use the priesthood.

Still, it is not now considered ok to use it publicly outside the temple and in the very specific ways that are now allowed. But because of the history of using it (there used to be a birthing ordinance that only women did, for example) there is a large gray area. Many women would give a blessing in their own home for various reasons. I imagine CV didn't know the history (as a convert) and also that LVD was doing some pretty unusual stuff.

ETA: I guess I'm including this because it was one of the least-surprising things CV claimed LV was involved in. MOO

 

[Satchie]

This is something I have wondered about since day one. The doctrine of polygamy in most usually plays a significant role in other LDS fringe groups and again, was foundation to its origins. Been waiting for that other shoe to drop, but so far, no one has mentioned it that I have seen. Would be a good question for MG? JMO

IMO, the doctrine of polygamy within LDS is never received well by full-grown women. It has only been sustained when the wanna-be polygamous man focusses his attention on very young women who are isolated from others, and trained to be subservient to the doctrine through being subservient to the man.

Evidently, LV, CD, and many others, such as their former spouses, are extremely dedicated to monogamy. So much so, that these two preferred to see their previous partners dead, rather than to just add a new one to the mix, happily sharing child custody, alimony, multiple households, jealousy free sex, and all the other complicated arrangements that polygamous people embrace.

 

[gumchew]

Well Charles found the email of her dancing in early 2019 but I am not sure if he suspected before then. Chad stayed at the house the previous year IIRC. Personally I think he dropped JR when he met Lori.

CD stayed at the Vallow household, but I think that was in Oct/Nov 2018. I believe Julie Rowe is referring back to earlier in 2018. And yes, I think Julie was a potential in-betweener. And possibly so was MG if we're thinking about what we're learning about CD's behavior and counting all the women in his orbit.

 

[Satchie]

Going back to this... It just makes me think she had truly met Tammy. If she had, and others knew it, it would be suspicious not to be there. But if not, why go? Why risk it?

I have nothing in msm to quote saying she had met her. But I hope some reporter follows up on that question.

Easy to have met her in church.

 

[JoJoJoey2407]

I believe that Henderson is in the same county where the late Nov quickie marriages happened too-- Clark County. But I can't figure out what could have happened there that would lead to a police report. MOO.

I tried looking it up, but you need a case#. Here in CA you can look up a case by a person's name. I don't remember if there was a case# listed on the witness list.