Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #11

[Trask]

Where did the hazmat part come from? I'm pretty sure I know who he worked for and they don't ship much hazardous material!

If you search for the term hazmat on WS, there's some discussion about it in thread #8 that will come up. Alex talks about his job on one of the body cam videos.

 

[BigAl16]

I'm pretty sure he hasn't been excommunicated. I think that was only reported by the Daily Mail. There was a blog post asking why he hadn't bee ex'ed after JR was ex'ed, and I think they got things messed up. Someone said that Chad was excommunicated on the Rexburg Police Department's FB page, and one of the Daybell children said that wasn't true.

Yeah, based on the timing of things and the point at which we know for sure he was in good standing there is no way he got excommunicated.

 

[Avocado49]

Hmm. I found a FB group with 200+ members that hasn't seen any posts since December 8. I'm not going to post there, but it seems like they could stand a bit of action.

it’s actually the Kap’aa church, not Lihue.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

I'm pretty sure he hasn't been excommunicated. I think that was only reported by the Daily Mail. There was a blog post asking why he hadn't bee ex'ed after JR was ex'ed, and I think they got things messed up. Someone said that Chad was excommunicated on the Rexburg Police Department's FB page, and one of the Daybell children said that wasn't true.

Perhaps I also read that source, that CD had been excommunicated. Typically, unless a member freely shares this information, it is a private matter between that person and church leadership including stake council involving disciplinary matters. If not excommunicated then probably disfellowshipped. They can still attend meetings but they do not partake during sacrament...for a year? Now a potential or alleged extramarital affair?

 

[BigAl16]

I was listening to a podcast today about Ted Bundy's time in Utah... A ward welcomed him with open arms - for a time. Im sure my hometown Protestant church would have done the same - for a time.

If I remember correctly they also said there is no way he did what he was accused of having done. I suspect they eventually changed their tune.

 

[Trask]

Snipped by me for context.
From their behavior in HI earlier today, I can only conclude that the kids are safe somewhere. Which is good!

Unfortunately, I think this exactly the reaction they were hoping for.

 

[Friday Fan]

Yes, to the questions about attending services. All LDS churchhouses have a "visitors welcome" sign and anyone of any faith (or not) can attend, anytime.

That's what I thought. And if he was actually excommunicated, it would be more like a "shunning" but in his local ward? (I'm Armenian and we are close knit and one thing we do is shun, which is very informal. If you are having problems in the Milwaukee community, then you can go to the Chicago community, but eventually gossip catches up...but there are 15 millions Mormons and 7 million Armenians) Shunning is something that is very informal and it is akin to high school peer tactics, work place peer tactics or family approval tactics. (We've all been shunned at one time in our lives and we've all done it ourselves) Kinda like being polite to Chad, but not being friendly with him etc..He would feel uncomfortable in his home church, but in some church way off in Hawaii, he's a visitor. I hope I'm explaining this correctly.

 

[BigAl16]

That's what I thought. And if he was actually excommunicated, it would be more like a "shunning" but in his local ward? (I'm Armenian and we are close knit and one thing we do is shun, which is very informal. If you are having problems in the Milwaukee community, then you can go to the Chicago community, but eventually gossip catches up...but there are 15 millions Mormons and 7 million Armenians) Shunning is something that is very informal and it is akin to high school peer tactics, work place peer tactics or family approval tactics. (We've all been shunned at one time in our lives and we've all done it ourselves) Kinda like being polite to Chad, but not being friendly with him etc..He would feel uncomfortable in his home church, but in some church way off in Hawaii, he's a visitor. I hope I'm explaining this correctly.

Well, at least in theory, it wouldn't be shunning in that sense because they don't make it public. As others have said, they aren't allowed to take the sacrament (like communion, but everyone does it in the Mormon church) which is a sign to others that something is going on, so a shunning reaction can't be ruled out. Also, moving to another church the same things would apply and they have membership records which if they said they were there to live would get transferred to their new congregation and tell all. Without that they'd be visiters, welcome to come, but be considered temporary, among other cultural things.

 

[KonaHonu]

From their behavior in HI earlier today, I can only conclude that the kids are safe somewhere. Which is good!
The only possible crimes left then are the deaths TD and AC. If it turns out TD and AC's deaths were due to natural causes, this whole case against Lori and CD just up and disappears in the Rocky Mountain wind.

That's similar to my thinking. Lori may have a good reason for hiding the kids, possibly even from the authorities. Her background suggests to me that she would not be inclined to obey any authority. I thought she would obey the order to show the kids so I was wrong about that. But otherwise they just are not behaving like guilty people.

I'm fairy certain that CV's death was planned by her. And I don't think it is coincidence that all theses death/shootings/marriages/divorces are all happening in a short period to all these people associated with the same unmentionable group. I'd love to hear if there are more strange things happening related to members of the group, especially sudden marriages and divorces.

 

[mickey2942]

Unfortunately, I think this exactly the reaction they were hoping for.

These people are beyond belief. It is the most bizarre thing I've ever heard of. Is the narcissism of just wanting notoriety something Lori is enjoying? Manipulating everything, like this is some kind of game?

I don't believe in all of these "coincidences", that Charles Vallow just happens to get shot, that Tammy Daybell just happens to die in her sleep, that Lori had moved to Rexburg, Idaho several weeks before a seemingly healthy woman dies in her bed. And two children just happen to disappear.

Lori is reminding more and more of Jodi Arias, her arrogance and appearance.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

27 Nov 2019 – Neighbors watch as the FBI raided 3 units: Lori's townhouse, as well as her sister’s home next door and her brother AC's townhouse in the same complex...

Every time I go back to the time line I see something else I missed or forget. Lori lives next door to her sister?! In Idaho? I thought she had 1 sister who died in 1998? How many siblings are there? AC lives in the same apartment complex?! This is 2 days before he is married in Nevada. If the FBI is raiding his home 2 days before he gets married I have to think AC's wife knows something. Not implicating her, just saying how can you not know the guy you are about to marry is having his property raided by the FBI? MOO

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

Yes, a common thread seems to be Alex and what a bizarre sequence of events! We can hope that not only the autopsies but also electronic items that have been seized by LE will provide more information.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

Every time I go back to the time line I see something else I missed or forget. Lori lives next door to her sister?! In Idaho? I thought she had 1 sister who died in 1998? How many siblings are there? AC lives in the same apartment complex?! This is 2 days before he is married in Nevada. If the FBI is raiding his home 2 days before he gets married I have to think AC's wife knows something. Not implicating her, just saying how can you not know the guy you are about to marry is having his property raided by the FBI? MOO

Nice catch about the “sister”, I also questioned if that was an error. The niece?

 

[Cornloaf]

From their behavior in HI earlier today, I can only conclude that the kids are safe somewhere. Which is good!

If Lori (and/or AC) conspired to murder CV, it certainly appears she got away with it - despite CV saying "if anything happens to me, Lori and Alex did it". I don't think Tylee will ever say any more than she's already said on that one, and Chandler LE have done all they're capable of doing - which is not much. So sadly, I think that one's behind us.

The BB shooting would only lead to a prosecution if they can somehow implicate MB. I think with AC gone, that's unlikely.

You just can't prosecute a dead man. But it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

The only possible crimes left then are the deaths TD and AC. If it turns out TD and AC's deaths were due to natural causes, this whole case against Lori and CD just up and disappears in the Rocky Mountain wind.

If TD and AC's deaths however were not due to natural causes, the common thread I think would almost have to be poison. Where did they get it from, and who gave it to whom? But even this prospect doesnt seen to be bothering the Daybell's in HI. Again, you almost have to conclude that the kids are safe, and that Lori and Chad feel immune from any charges in the TD or AC cases. To me, if the deaths were due to poison, the only way Lori and CD could be acting as non-plussed as they are is if AC committed both crimes almost on his own. Lori and CD clearly think they've got it made, and they just might.

In retrospect, it may have just been a coincidence that Lori and CD left Rexburg on the night of the 26th (perhaps Lori was rushing them out..). They may not have known that night that LE was going to be coming back the next morning with SW's.

It will always remain a mystery to me though as to why Lori lied about the children's whereabouts during the welfare check. The only explanation I can come with is that, perhaps up until the 26th, Chad truly didn't know about the kids (I know, I know, they'd had an affair, yada yada,- but Lori is a master manipulator). And although CD might have been lying when he told "others" or "family" or whoever that he'd been told that Lori had no minor children, maybe he believed her.

If this is all true, then on the 26th, Lori was caught flat footed when cops asked her directly about JJ in Chad's presence. Maybe the only lie Lori could come up with under such circumstances was that JJ was at a friends, a long way away. She could explain it to CD and apologize later. "We got a plane to catch!"

So to me, this whole investigation is kinda dormant until the autopsy results are released re: both TD's and AC's . TD's death is the one that bothers me. Hopefully LE is gathering as much evidence as they can (mssgs, video, finger prints, DNA, witnesses, acquiring poison, etc.) to be ready when autopsy results are made available.

Anyway, I hope this wasn't all for naught, but it coulda been just that. I for one, however, got to confirm something that I knew had been happening in, and to, our country for a very long time. I'm gonna take a few days off.

JMO

How do you conclude that from anything they have done in the last 6 months? Please enlighten me.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

... the only way Lori and CD could be acting as non-plussed as they are is if AC committed both crimes almost on his own.

I am struggling with this. Lori and Chad would be absolutely non-plussed if they truly believe they are the chosen ones who will survive whatever they say is going to happen in 5 months when the world ends. Do they really believe that? Or is that subterfuge to keep them by the pool in Hawaii when Idaho is getting 2 feet of snow? Or subterfuge for the sake of selling more books in the future?

We have been discussing plenty of angles here but I don't see many people weighing in on whether their doomsday prophecy beliefs are self serving for whatever ends, or if they truly believe.

 

[Bray2020]

Perhaps I also read that source, that CD had been excommunicated. Typically, unless a member freely shares this information, it is a private matter between that person and church leadership including stake council involving disciplinary matters. If not excommunicated then probably disfellowshipped. They can still attend meetings but they do not partake during sacrament...for a year? Now a potential or alleged extramarital affair?

That's true for a some members, but when popular podcasters or writers are excommunicated, it's usually in the local news. It was big news when Julie Rowe was excommunicated, and since Chad was her publisher, I'm sure we would have heard about his excommunication.

 

[Redvines86]

I am struggling with this. Lori and Chad would be absolutely non-plussed if they truly believe they are the chosen ones who will survive whatever they say is going to happen in 5 months when the world ends. Do they really believe that? Or is that subterfuge to keep them by the pool in Hawaii when Idaho is getting 2 feet of snow? Or subterfuge for the sake of selling more books in the future?

We have been discussing plenty of angles here but I don't see many people weighing in on whether their doomsday prophecy beliefs are self serving for whatever ends, or if they truly believe.

I think it may have started as belief, but has evolved into sex and money.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

Nice catch about the “sister”, I also questioned if that was an error. The niece?

Good point. The niece moved to Rexburg in October so maybe it was an error in reporting and really the niece next door, not the sister.

 

[mrjitty]

Unfortunately, I think this exactly the reaction they were hoping for.

Me too

IMO their appearance is alarming.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

That's similar to my thinking. Lori may have a good reason for hiding the kids, possibly even from the authorities. Her background suggests to me that she would not be inclined to obey any authority. I thought she would obey the order to show the kids so I was wrong about that. But otherwise they just are not behaving like guilty people.

I'm fairy certain that CV's death was planned by her. And I don't think it is coincidence that all theses death/shootings/marriages/divorces are all happening in a short period to all these people associated with the same unmentionable group. I'd love to hear if there are more strange things happening related to members of the group, especially sudden marriages and divorces.

Regarding, “Lori may have a good reason for hiding the kids, possibly even from the authorities. ” What “good reason” might that be? The second paragraph, I agree.