Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #11

[indicolite22]

Perhaps he’s peddling the notion that he and Lori were connected in a past life.

As far as we know he doesn't even believe in reincarnation. IMO he's just using religious notions to justify his actions. He may be fooling some people.

 

[SuziQ]

L. Vallow Obituary - Chandler, AZ

I am reposting the obituary of CV. There are a couple of interesting comments from prior live in nannys.

Yeah, I don't think that Charles was the big *hole Lori and others was making him out to be.

 

[momrids6]

Ok. Micro SD. I live in my own small world, but even my kid who is all about selfies with the girlfriend doesn't use one. How do they know one was ever in the phone? And unless the phone was ancient and he couldn't afford a new one, why would he need the storage?

He was older than me, so I don't think he was selfie happy.

My husband never had a passcode on his phone until I threw a pay method on it, which required one

 

[Colorado303]

As far as we know he doesn't even believe in reincarnation. IMO he's just using religious notions to justify his actions. He may be fooling some people.

We know Lori believes in it and this is at least her third incarnation. Chad’s staying in Hawaii despite national news insinuating his new wife is a black widow and child killer. If she can persuade him to do that, convincing him they were connected in a prior life might be a piece of cake.

I’m convinced Lori is guilty of murder. By her own hand or the direction/ manipulation of others.

I doubt Chad had a hand in any deaths apart from Tammy’s and it’s possible that may have happened without his knowledge. If he’s innocent, it will eventually hit him like a ton of bricks that he may be the stupidest man in America, certainly of the chosen 144,000.

He’ll probably turn that into a book too. If she lets him live that long.

 

[mickey2942]

Have Lori and Chad committed the "perfect" crimes? Have they got away with murder?

Lots of people do get away with murder, collect money from life insurance, and never get charged.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

8:24am Charles comes to pick up JJ – per Alex’s “about 20 mins ago” statement to officer at 8:44am.

8:35am Alex shoots Charles – per his “er, couple of minutes” statement on 911 call. He increases this to 5 minutes when he answers questions outside.

Taking AC at his word, CV didn't show up and the shooting didn't happen until after LV and the kids are gone.

 

[jjenny]

Who was in the home when Tammy died? It sure wasn't Lori. Chad was in the same bed. Notice he claims when he woke up Tammy was dead for a couple of hours.
He also claimed to Tammy's father that Tammy had been coughing when she went to bed. I don't think she died peacefully in her sleep.

 

[BigAl16]

It is mentioned in the video that Lori and Chad barely mentioned the children to the homeowner. If it refers to Lori's children, at least on this occasion they did not deny they existed or claim they were dead.
In the renting application Chad wrote that Lori lived on the island. It seemed to imply that she was a resident.
How realistic is the $30k monthly income that he put on the application?

ETA: Since the encounter with the homeowner was on November 7, could it have happened before they got married?

There is no way Chad's income as an author is 30K a month, nor his net income from the entire publishing business (not that it appears it is likely to be functioning with Tammy gone) is that much. In fact, it is extremely unlikely that the gross revenue from the publishing company is that much in a month.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Have Lori and Chad committed the "perfect" crimes? Have they got away with murder?

Lots of people do get away with murder, collect money from life insurance, and never get charged.

Yeah, but they have the sense to not get splashed all over the news. jmo

 

[indicolite22]

We know Lori believes in it and this is at least her third incarnation. Chad’s staying in Hawaii despite national news insinuating his new wife is a black widow and child killer. If she can persuade him to do that, convincing him they were connected in a prior life might be a piece of cake.

I’m convinced Lori is guilty of murder. By her own hand or the direction/ manipulation of others.

I doubt Chad had a hand in any deaths apart from Tammy’s and it’s possible that may have happened without his knowledge. If he’s innocent, it will eventually hit him like a ton of bricks that he may be the stupidest man in America, certainly of the chosen 144,000.

He’ll probably turn that into a book too. If she lets him live that long.

I don't think Chad is innocent in Tammy's case. The super quick wedding is extremely suspect. If he'll ever have to answer for Tammy's death is another matter.
I'm convinced that he knew that Lori had kids and they couldn't have just vanished into thin air. There's a tiny chance that she lied to him that she had them tucked away somewhere, but that can't go on forever. There's a greater chance IMO that he knows what happened to the kids. Maybe he has convinced himself that the kids are now as happy as Tammy.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

Have Lori and Chad committed the "perfect" crimes? Have they got away with murder?

Agree that lots of people get away with it, but these 2 have FBI, local police, county sheriff, and a DA sitting outside their door and international news organizations following them. The perfect crimes are the ones we don't know about.

 

[jjenny]

Perhaps he’s peddling the notion that he and Lori were connected in a past life.

I think the story he came up with, is that after Tammy died, he went to grieve to Hawaii, where he met Lori (who was living there) whom he knew from before, but Tammy (from the other side of the veil) wanted them (Chad and Lori) to get married and be happy.

 

[jjenny]

Agree that lots of people get away with it, but these 2 have FBI, local police, county sheriff, and a DA sitting outside their door and international news organizations following them. The perfect crimes are the ones we don't know about.

One can only hope they find something.

 

[kye0001]

Have Lori and Chad committed the "perfect" crimes? Have they got away with murder?

Lots of people do get away with murder, collect money from life insurance, and never get charged.

The perfect crime would be if nobody had a clue, everyone believed the story and no police fbi were involved. I suspect they had the potential to get away with this but went too far. If the kids were not missing and they’d waited at least another two months to marry it could have been an entirely different story. The kids being missing was always going to raise questions and suspicions in the end. Jmo.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

Alex’s responses to officer’s questions:

Q: “Normal, you, your sister, your niece?” A: “Yeah, gonna go do something fun today”

8:45 in the morning, already been hit with a bat and gunned someone down, sitting on a curb with nervous cops pointing guns at him, and AC is thinking about the fun they are gonna have today.

What was that old advertisement for the Army, "We do more before 9 a.m. then most people do all day"?

Many thanks again to Tortoise for putting together that timeline. Fascinating.

 

[BigAl16]

Who was in the home when Tammy died? It sure wasn't Lori. Chad was in the same bed. Notice he claims when he woke up Tammy was dead for a couple of hours.
He also claimed to Tammy's father that Tammy had been coughing when she went to bed. I don't think she died peacefully in her sleep.

How could he know it had been a couple hours if he'd been asleep?

 

[indicolite22]

Agree that lots of people get away with it, but these 2 have FBI, local police, county sheriff, and a DA sitting outside their door and international news organizations following them. The perfect crimes are the ones we don't know about.

Not necessarily. There are cases where perps are well known, but they are walking around freely because there's not enough evidence for conviction.

 

[Bray2020]

Perhaps he’s peddling the notion that he and Lori were connected in a past life.

So, the guy that was in the video with JR just published a book on multiple probations. JR edited the book and it came out a few weeks ago. Multiple probations refers to the idea that good spirits are recycled and come back to earth after death. It is very similar to reincarnation. Perhaps that is part of Lori and Chad’s belief system.

 

[indicolite22]

We know Lori believes in it and this is at least her third incarnation. Chad’s staying in Hawaii despite national news insinuating his new wife is a black widow and child killer. If she can persuade him to do that, convincing him they were connected in a prior life might be a piece of cake.

I think people are split on who is the leader and who the follower between the two. IMO we don't know who believes in what at this point, if their beliefs are alligned or if it's all just an act. They are probably feeding off each other's fantasies of greatness and specialness.

 

[Tortoise]

I've turned to thinking about the two personalities involved here and how it could possibly be broken down from the outside, through psychological interference, if there is a chance that working one of them could aid a resolution. Although obviously preferable for law enforcement to just act now and get their behinds into custody! It is not coincidence that everything just miraculously came together to enable their nuptials, and departure from all parental and familial responsibilities.

I started out this case thinking that Lori was no question the dominant personality in their relationship and how they came to be together and all that entailed - including the deaths and disappearances. Now I'm leaning more towards Chad.

It didn't seem like that to me initially because I can see (imo) how she has made her own decisions here, involving her brother Alex, her own late husband and her missing children, and her sociopathic traits. But, if she was the dominant one (and I do believe there has to be a dominant one in relationships involving surrounding death and destruction, for there to be chemistry), I think it's important to note that Chad has been deluded (imo) for much longer than Lori, and that if he didn't know before about what Lori did to get out of her former life he does now. It hasn't moved him. He's resolute and defiant. His arrogance is greater than hers. She looks to him for reaction a few times when Nate is asking questions. His raised eyebrows and eye rolls speak more to me than her sunglasses and pursed lips, she glances at the notice in her hand, she attempts to conceal her baggie of money when Nate points it out, and she seemingly couldn't resist making one response to Nate. She is listening and Chad is not.

I've revisited some of what I've been able to find about folie-a-deux, shared delusions/psychosis. There is an interesting case study at the below link of a husband and wife who met and married within weeks and then isolated themselves socially before commiting murder, despite it most commonly occurring in people who have known each other a long time.

It states that -

the primary case is typically dominant, intelligent , forceful, and autonomous. The secondary case is usually dependant, submissive, highly suggestible, less intelligent, more passive, infantile, and more prone to hysteria (5,6). He/she offers little resistance to accepting the ideas of the primary subject and does not elaborate upon those ideas. Several authors have characterized the passive person with a premorbid personality as " prepsychotic," and with "a marked personality disturbance with suspicious, histrionic, antisocial, or dependent traits" (6). Social isolation of the subjects is common in this form of folie a deux and has been found to limit environmental input and opportunities for reality testing. However, one reassuring feature of folie impose'e is that psychotic symptoms usually recede upon separation of the involved subjects. https://jdc.jefferson.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1339&context=jeffjpsychiatry

It's worrying - to me - because I had wondered if pleading to his sensibilities and ties as a family man, playing to his ignorance of the trail that precedes Lori (even if he wasn't ignorant), might be the way in. Now I think she is the one who was susceptible, her sociopathy was a vital ingredient to her resolving what 'needed' to be done in her life to get into Chad's, and predisposed her to being attracted to his grandiosity, and sharing in the 'enlightenment' and power. I believe he thinks he is untouchable because he is 'chosen' and he is the primary mover in this partnership, and Lori bought into his delusion, and she then went through a process of convincing herself she is equally untouchable, as his mistress, before Charles was shot.

Given that, I think they will need to be forcibly separated and there will be no other way of resolving this or pleading to either of them to do the right thing. Failing apprehension by law enforcement, I think Lori will die before he is taken. It is a twist on those folk who say he is the one who should be sleeping with one eye open.

MOO