Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #12

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I think this was a setup. She thought to cover herself by saying she expected trouble. AC was there with a gun and there was a metal bat. I honestly believe Charles was not leaving that house alive. I think they had JJ in the car so he wouldn't see it and talk to anyone about it. MOO

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LEA vs citizen is different contexts. That said, any gun that sits in the bottom of your bag is worthless when you need it. So if you were traveling in transitional spaces, parking lots gas stations convenient stores, it’s in a bag in your car and some idiot accosts you you’re out of luck. A gun that is smaller easy to carry and conceal and that you’re comfortable with shooting is gonna be a whole lot better to save the day

I get this feel, but as a seasoned gun enthusiast (and only one for sport) this is also why I don't get why people automatically think guns are a good defense weapon. They are slooow. You can be the best of the best, and it won't help you if you already got a pistol in your face. A gun most commonly won't help you defend if you're in a closed environment where the shooter had the jump.

If the shooter doesn't have the jump and you have range, you're looking at a better bet. But these cases are rare.
 
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Hasn’t there been other cases where parents had sent their kids off somewhere within a cult? I thought I heard about something like that years back, it’s odd that they put everything that was related to their babies in a storage shed, they don’t have anything of their kids at their new place? Hmmm... I couldn’t imagine not even having at least pictures of my babies somewhere. This is such an odd, odd case. Seems like the people that were involved with this couple have ended up dead. I hope the kiddos are safe wherever they are (trying to be optimistic).

Jmo moo imo speculation

This sending kids off to safety before the enemy arrives, or doomsday, or whatever the reason, is pretty much the action of parents in other situations of impending danger. They stay behind to fight the bad guys. Hoping that their selfless actions of sending children to safety does in fact, save them. It’s a common scene during wars. In WW2, for example, the Brits who could, sent their kids into the countryside. Away from London and the nightly bombings inflicted on the country from the Nazi’s. The Jews put their children on Freedom Trains, bound for Switzerland and further, while the adults remained under immediate threat of Nazi soldiers. None of those parents revealed where their children went. That would defeat the purpose: safe passage away from certain death.
If these people are sincere believers of the Doomsday Apocalypse, then it’s possible that the children are safe. Our problem is, most of us don’t believe Doomsday is upon us. And we cannot put our heads around leaving children. And so we believe, correctly, I think, that if you are preparing for Doomsday, you’re in the mountains hiding out. Converting paper money into commodities that can be traded later, as needed to survive. Precious metals. Canned, preserved food, water. Toiletries. Medicine. They maybe without kids, bc the kids were sent way further away, but the parents certainly would not be on a beach in Hawaii. That’s the clue. Their actions do not support their defense.
 
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This sending kids off to safety before the enemy arrives, or doomsday, or whatever the reason, is pretty much the action of parents in other situations of impending danger. They stay behind to fight the bad guys. Hoping that their selfless actions of sending children to safety does in fact, save them. It’s a common scene during wars. In WW2, for example, the Brits who could, sent their kids into the countryside. Away from London and the nightly bombings inflicted on the country from the Nazi’s. The Jews put their children on Freedom Trains, bound for Switzerland and further, while the adults remained under immediate threat of Nazi soldiers. None of those parents revealed where their children went. That would defeat the purpose: safe passage away from certain death.
If these people are sincere believers of the Doomsday Apocalypse, then it’s possible that the children are safe. Our problem is, most of us don’t believe Doomsday is upon us. And we cannot put our heads around leaving children. And so we believe, correctly, I think, that if you are preparing for Doomsday, you’re in the mountains hiding out. Converting paper money into commodities that can be traded later, as needed to survive. Precious metals. Canned, preserved food, water. Toiletries. Medicine. They maybe without kids, bc the kids were sent way further away, but the parents certainly would not be on a beach in Hawaii. That’s the clue. Their actions do not support their defense.

You’ve worded this so much better than I could. If we go for the Doomsday theory and ignore the deaths/BBs shooting they’ve still abandoned their kids, cult friends, family and everything to sit in a beach in Hawaii while it all unfolds. Yet they’re still being defended by those people. Why?? It’s not logical. MOO
 
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This sending kids off to safety before the enemy arrives, or doomsday, or whatever the reason, is pretty much the action of parents in other situations of impending danger. They stay behind to fight the bad guys. Hoping that their selfless actions of sending children to safety does in fact, save them. It’s a common scene during wars. In WW2, for example, the Brits who could, sent their kids into the countryside. Away from London and the nightly bombings inflicted on the country from the Nazi’s. The Jews put their children on Freedom Trains, bound for Switzerland and further, while the adults remained under immediate threat of Nazi soldiers. None of those parents revealed where their children went. That would defeat the purpose: safe passage away from certain death.
If these people are sincere believers of the Doomsday Apocalypse, then it’s possible that the children are safe. Our problem is, most of us don’t believe Doomsday is upon us. And we cannot put our heads around leaving children. And so we believe, correctly, I think, that if you are preparing for Doomsday, you’re in the mountains hiding out. Converting paper money into commodities that can be traded later, as needed to survive. Precious metals. Canned, preserved food, water. Toiletries. Medicine. They maybe without kids, bc the kids were sent way further away, but the parents certainly would not be on a beach in Hawaii. That’s the clue. Their actions do not support their defense.

Umm.. I get what you're saying, but it's probably not a good idea, even in theory, to coorelate the motives of alleged doomsday Mormons with those of WW2 parents. I get you're feel, desperate parents do weird 🤬🤬🤬🤬. But there has to be a better way to make this point.
 
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Umm.. I get what you're saying, but it's probably not a good idea, even in theory, to coorelate the motives of alleged doomsday Mormons with those of WW2 parents. I get you're feel, desperate parents do weird ****. But there has to be a better way to make this point.
I don’t think this has anything to do with being Mormon. The cult beliefs have strayed so far from LDS as we’ve discussed here previously. It’s more to do with a group of people that have formed their own beliefs...their own religion if you like. This can happen with any group, culture or religion. It’s not a reflection on Mormonism. JMO
 
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I don’t think this has anything to do with being Mormon. The cult beliefs have strayed so far from LDS as we’ve discussed here previously. It’s more to do with a group of people that have formed their own beliefs...their own religion if you like. This can happen with any group, culture or religion. It’s not a reflection on Mormonism. JMO

Okay, that's valid. I understand the point you are making, and I am not attacking anyone. I'd just lean out of the WW2 references.
 
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Every Friday for the past few weeks I wake up hoping it is the day we hear about arrest(s) in this case. For some reason I don't expect it today. I think they will wait until after the Feb 10th deadline for Dept of Welfare to report back to the court. Unless Tammy's autopsy comes back. Then we could see some movement on that. I've got to be away from my computer today so that probably means everything will happen while I'm gone, LOL.

I'm currently keeping an eye on these reporter Twitters:

Justin Lum Fox 10 (@jlumfox10) | Twitter

Nate Eaton (@NateNewsNow) | Twitter

Eric Grossarth (@ericgrossarth) | Twitter

MikeGalanosHLN (@MikeGalanosHLN) | Twitter

Kim Powell (@KimPowellTV) | Twitter

Garna Mejia KSL (@GarnaMejiaKSL) | Twitter

Nate and Eric have been pretty quiet the last couple days and it seems like Kim might still be in Hawaii as of 7 hours ago. Could Nate be making another trip to Kauai? I wonder if Kim was sent there this week with a tip that something big could happen or if she is fishing/hoping to get exclusive video of Lori and Chad walking around? MOO.
 
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I get this feel, but as a seasoned gun enthusiast (and only one for sport) this is also why I don't get why people automatically think guns are a good defense weapon. They are slooow. You can be the best of the best, and it won't help you if you already got a pistol in your face. A gun most commonly won't help you defend if you're in a closed environment where the shooter had the jump.

If the shooter doesn't have the jump and you have range, you're looking at a better bet. But these cases are rare.

You’re right. If the bad guy had the drop on you, better off hand to hand. You really have no choice. Fight like hell if you’re being pushed into a car for self defense.
But I like the odds. Knife wielding attacker versus my little revolver. Like the Harrison Ford scene in the bazaar. Or Crocodile Dundee’s “now, THIS is a knife!”
Be aware of your surroundings. Don’t walk into trouble. Walk away from trouble. But there could come a time, when you have no choice.
And a gun is better than no gun. Right up next to your skin. Close and personal. OT. Sorry. But important in that these people are not acting like they believe Doomsday is upon us. And so, no matter that the grandparents may get custody, where are they?
 
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Every Friday for the past few weeks I wake up hoping it is the day we hear about arrest(s) in this case. For some reason I don't expect it today. I think they will wait until after the Feb 10th deadline for Dept of Welfare to report back to the court. Unless Tammy's autopsy comes back. Then we could see some movement on that. I've got to be away from my computer today so that probably means everything will happen while I'm gone, LOL.

I'm currently keeping an eye on these reporter Twitters:

Justin Lum Fox 10 (@jlumfox10) | Twitter

Nate Eaton (@NateNewsNow) | Twitter

Eric Grossarth (@ericgrossarth) | Twitter

MikeGalanosHLN (@MikeGalanosHLN) | Twitter

Kim Powell (@KimPowellTV) | Twitter

Garna Mejia KSL (@GarnaMejiaKSL) | Twitter

Nate and Eric have been pretty quiet the last couple days and it seems like Kim might still be in Hawaii as of 7 hours ago. Could Nate be making another trip to Kauai? I wonder if Kim was sent there this week with a tip that something big could happen or if she is fishing/hoping to get exclusive video of Lori and Chad walking around? MOO.

I'm keeping my eye on the 10th as well. Guessing any new movement on the legal front might not happen until the 11th. Barring those autopsy results. Jmo.
 
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Every Friday for the past few weeks I wake up hoping it is the day we hear about arrest(s) in this case. For some reason I don't expect it today. I think they will wait until after the Feb 10th deadline for Dept of Welfare to report back to the court. Unless Tammy's autopsy comes back. Then we could see some movement on that. I've got to be away from my computer today so that probably means everything will happen while I'm gone, LOL.

I'm currently keeping an eye on these reporter Twitters:

Justin Lum Fox 10 (@jlumfox10) | Twitter

Nate Eaton (@NateNewsNow) | Twitter

Eric Grossarth (@ericgrossarth) | Twitter

MikeGalanosHLN (@MikeGalanosHLN) | Twitter

Kim Powell (@KimPowellTV) | Twitter

Garna Mejia KSL (@GarnaMejiaKSL) | Twitter

Nate and Eric have been pretty quiet the last couple days and it seems like Kim might still be in Hawaii as of 7 hours ago. Could Nate be making another trip to Kauai? I wonder if Kim was sent there this week with a tip that something big could happen or if she is fishing/hoping to get exclusive video of Lori and Chad walking around? MOO.
Have a good day. I’ve been putting off getting a twitter account for years but I might try and sign up for one just to follow this. I can’t see us hearing anything until tonight anyway. Like you though I feel we’ve got a few more weeks of this unfortunately JMO
 
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Every Friday for the past few weeks I wake up hoping it is the day we hear about arrest(s) in this case. For some reason I don't expect it today. I think they will wait until after the Feb 10th deadline for Dept of Welfare to report back to the court. Unless Tammy's autopsy comes back. Then we could see some movement on that. I've got to be away from my computer today so that probably means everything will happen while I'm gone, LOL.

I'm currently keeping an eye on these reporter Twitters:

Justin Lum Fox 10 (@jlumfox10) | Twitter

Nate Eaton (@NateNewsNow) | Twitter

Eric Grossarth (@ericgrossarth) | Twitter

MikeGalanosHLN (@MikeGalanosHLN) | Twitter

Kim Powell (@KimPowellTV) | Twitter

Garna Mejia KSL (@GarnaMejiaKSL) | Twitter

Nate and Eric have been pretty quiet the last couple days and it seems like Kim might still be in Hawaii as of 7 hours ago. Could Nate be making another trip to Kauai? I wonder if Kim was sent there this week with a tip that something big could happen or if she is fishing/hoping to get exclusive video of Lori and Chad walking around? MOO.

Hawaii might not even be worth it to watch. We know Lori and Chad left the kids on the mainland, no matter what happened to them.
 
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I get this feel, but as a seasoned gun enthusiast (and only one for sport) this is also why I don't get why people automatically think guns are a good defense weapon. They are slooow. You can be the best of the best, and it won't help you if you already got a pistol in your face. A gun most commonly won't help you defend if you're in a closed environment where the shooter had the jump.

If the shooter doesn't have the jump and you have range, you're looking at a better bet. But these cases are rare.
Don’t want to go down to Gun rabbit hole too far, my last post on it, but the best defense training on YouTube is Active self protection, and he stresses that situational awareness is really your best defense. Also You never pull a gun when the robber has the drop on you, you have to wait your turn if it ever comes. Poor CV, Alex got the drop on him and meant business.
 
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Hawaii might not even be worth it to watch. We know Lori and Chad left the kids on the mainland, no matter what happened to them.

Lori and Chad are in Hawaii. If they get arrested anytime soon, it will have to be where they are, Hawaii. Jmo.
 
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Hawaii might not even be worth it to watch. We know Lori and Chad left the kids on the mainland, no matter what happened to them.
If they’re safe and alive they’ll be found in the most bizarre, non logical place that we least expect. Nothing this pair have done makes sense so far. They’ve hardly made any attempt to cover their tracks either. JMO
 
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Okay, that's valid. I understand the point you are making, and I am not attacking anyone. I'd just lean out of the WW2 references.

Oh, sorry, I never thought you were attacking anyone. My point was, ok if you believe the doomsday deal, why aren’t you prepping, too?
Sun, sand and surf in Hawaii sounds like a vacation.
Therefore, we’re back to what did you do with the kids? As the last people who know where they were, you are responsible for them.
This entire group is off the wall. Body count is 6? I think someone said.
Just keep running down leads, asking questions, tracing money. Talk to anyone who will listen. Ask for more searchers. Spring will be here soon, and the snow will melt away. Maybe Equusearch or drones could be deployed again. Even if the same search sites.
Just talking out loud. Do not let this turn into a cold case. That’s what I’m trying to say.
 
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You’re right. If the bad guy had the drop on you, better off hand to hand. You really have no choice. Fight like hell if you’re being pushed into a car for self defense.
But I like the odds. Knife wielding attacker versus my little revolver. Like the Harrison Ford scene in the bazaar. Or Crocodile Dundee’s “now, THIS is a knife!”
Be aware of your surroundings. Don’t walk into trouble. Walk away from trouble. But there could come a time, when you have no choice.
And a gun is better than no gun. Right up next to your skin. Close and personal. OT. Sorry. But important in that these people are not acting like they believe Doomsday is upon us. And so, no matter that the grandparents may get custody, where are they?

Hand to hand can also be very powerful against a gun, IF you know what you're doing and you can close the range. Anyways, I just think people... especially Americans... over estimate how powerful guns really arr as a method of defense.

Source: I'm okay at krav maga but not like an expert or anything. But I did punch a guy in Venice who tried to feel me up this one time, so there's that.
 
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Umm.. I get what you're saying, but it's probably not a good idea, even in theory, to coorelate the motives of alleged doomsday Mormons with those of WW2 parents. I get you're feel, desperate parents do weird ****. But there has to be a better way to make this point.
Midwesternmom2019 did make a point and never used the word Mormon.You did , and that completely took away from her post that made a lot of sense, and her last 3 sentences really puts it all into perspective.( They maybe without kids, bc the kids were sent way further away, but the parents certainly would not be on a beach in Hawaii. That’s the clue. Their actions do not support their defense.)
 
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Just a few thoughts to consider. I believe CV was executed for the insurance money. When Lori discovered she wasn't the beneficiary she decided to use JJ as a pawn. Cut him off from the Woodcocks for a period of time and then try to negotiate custody of JJ in return she gets the money. I think she and Chad went to Hawaii using the money he received from Tammy's life insurance. We know that won't last forever and she needed CV's money to continue with the lifestyle she prefers- warm and wealthy. I don't think she expected KW to go public in search of JJ and her plans were ruined. Perhaps she had AC in charge of the kids and something went horribly wrong. Something bad enough that he committed suicide. If this scenario is a possibility, I believe Chad was in on it from the beginning and is as guilty as she is.
 
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Oh, sorry, I never thought you were attacking anyone. My point was, ok if you believe the doomsday deal, why aren’t you prepping, too?
Sun, sand and surf in Hawaii sounds like a vacation.
Therefore, we’re back to what did you do with the kids? As the last people who know where they were, you are responsible for them.
This entire group is off the wall. Body count is 6? I think someone said.
Just keep running down leads, asking questions, tracing money. Talk to anyone who will listen. Ask for more searchers. Spring will be here soon, and the snow will melt away. Maybe Equusearch or drones could be deployed again. Even if the same search sites.
Just talking out loud. Do not let this turn into a cold case. That’s what I’m trying to say.

I totally get what you're trying to say. I apologize if I displayed any hostility. The reason I was bothered was because it seemed like you were comparing a couple of white Mormons to victims of the Nazis, but also, not on purpose or out of malicious sentiments. You were only comparing the mentalitiesof possibly frightened parents and I get that. And I also get the comparison at a certain level because yes, frightened parents do weird 🤬🤬🤬🤬.
 
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Every Friday for the past few weeks I wake up hoping it is the day we hear about arrest(s) in this case. For some reason I don't expect it today. I think they will wait until after the Feb 10th deadline for Dept of Welfare to report back to the court. Unless Tammy's autopsy comes back. Then we could see some movement on that. I've got to be away from my computer today so that probably means everything will happen while I'm gone, LOL.

I'm currently keeping an eye on these reporter Twitters:

Justin Lum Fox 10 (@jlumfox10) | Twitter

Nate Eaton (@NateNewsNow) | Twitter

Eric Grossarth (@ericgrossarth) | Twitter

MikeGalanosHLN (@MikeGalanosHLN) | Twitter

Kim Powell (@KimPowellTV) | Twitter

Garna Mejia KSL (@GarnaMejiaKSL) | Twitter

Nate and Eric have been pretty quiet the last couple days and it seems like Kim might still be in Hawaii as of 7 hours ago. Could Nate be making another trip to Kauai? I wonder if Kim was sent there this week with a tip that something big could happen or if she is fishing/hoping to get exclusive video of Lori and Chad walking around? MOO.

Agreed..These are our people on Twitter to watch ..Fridays seem to be active/ me pressing refresh over and over and something coming up. I have become a FanGirl of Justin and Nate. Good guys!
 
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