Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #13

[OGDiva]

He wanted out of the book business but Tammy didn't want that. Could be another additional motive. So he wanted out of the marriage and the book business, plus the life insurance and freedom to marry Lori all because of his visions. Motive x 4.
AJMO

Interesting as he told people the reason he was going to Hawaii immediately after the funeral was to edit a book. Doesn't sound like he was planning on getting out. MOO

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Many people keep saying this is "bigger" than what we are seeing. And I know in my brain, perhaps these geography connections are just too much "conspiracy" stuff. ;HOWEVER-- Alyssa Romine Olson, the other mysterious death in the Gilbert pond, and her husband lived in Chahalis WA. Melani Cope Beaudreau and her mother Stacey Cox Cope (Lori Vallow's sister) both lived in 3 towns (so far) ALL 3--- less than one hour away from Chahalis. The brother of the husband of Alyssa, Braden Tate Olson, went to highschool in St. Anthony's ID--17 minutes from Rexburg ID, and BYU-ID in REXBURG. These are big states...so these distances are freaky to me.

I am trying to research these locations---- I wish some Mormons on this site have more knowledge/ research of temples, or possible cultish groups that may be offshoots of the LDS Church, in these areas of WA, ID, and AZ.
(Still learning... I had posted this in the wrong place earlier..meant to attach to this message....is IAS what we say????

Have you looked at her thread? I went down that thread a lot. You’ll notice I had many posts in a row there- the last one to reply.

Most interesting to me was that she was reported missing without her married name- seems like she left hubby and moved home. It is a very interesting case but I personally think the timeline is too early to be related here.

 

[RHarrison]

Truth is often stranger than fiction...I’ve heard that so many times over the last year it’s something I go by now.

I suspect there’s a few movie writers following this story, it’s that bizarre you couldn’t make it up. MOO

The funny thing is I believe it's even more bizarre behind the scenes lol.

 

[OGDiva]

Hi BOH. Good to see you here. Just a small correction. I believe Lori and Chad are hiding out in a condo they rented "long term". The condo is where the reporter was reporting from and she talked to neighbors who said they hadn't seen Lori and Chad for several days. I know it's confusing because they were also seen at 2 hotels. But they checked out of both of the hotels after only 1 night each. Then they were seen back at the condo.

Here's the condo where they are renting: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4141-Queen-Emmas-Dr-APT-3-Princeville-HI-96722/89054865_zpid/

If they stocked the kitchen with food they could easily stay inside for weeks. But probably more likely they are coming and going from there mostly unnoticed by the neighbors. Many houses in that neighborhood are being used as vacation rentals. It would be easy for them to slip out unnoticed by people who are only there on holiday. I hope police or a PI are keeping tabs on Lori and Chad.

MOO.

I wonder if the owner has had pressure put on them to get Chad and Lori out of the condo and neighborhood? People living there, I believe do not go there for all this craziness with the police and media.

 

[tresir2012]

Interesting as he told people the reason he was going to Hawaii immediately after the funeral was to edit a book. Doesn't sound like he was planning on getting out. MOO

I just posted a link a few posts back about who he told about wanting out. I think "editing a book" was a euphemism for his affair.

 

[Wiggmom]

That is my guess but MOO.
Based on Alex possibly being identified by BB as driving that jeep.

One thing I have wondered is why did they all move to Rexburg? Any reasons for that? Because apart from MB, none of them remained there. If we could find that out, we may find the kids IMO.

This site is pretty impressive and I have been fascinated by the amount of information you all have acquired. I hope that this may help.

There is an LDS college in Rexburg and a lot of the members live around there. About BYU-Idaho

Aside from that, there are also unfortunately a lot of very bad things that go on in Eastern Idaho for being such a rural area. There have been a lot of high-ranking officials caught for child porn and abuse. Lots of corruption. I have a friend from there who was a victim of child trafficking, so that always makes me wonder if the children were sold into that.

 

[Randocalrissian]

He wanted out of the book business but Tammy didn't want that. Could be another additional motive. So he wanted out of the marriage and the book business, plus the life insurance and freedom to marry Lori all because of his visions. Motive x 4.
AJMO

I am not sure that he really wanted out of the book business. When he spoke with me at the burial, he told me that he would now be able to travel more in support of his book business, that previously he could not do, as Tammy didn’t want to travel. In hindsight, anything he has said to others has to be taken in the context of the impressions he was trying to make to cover up, mislead, and distract from his real plans.

 

[kye0001]

Could someone who does Twitter send a tweet to Nate to ask if he can get a copy of that September podcast from LE or other sources so we can all have a listen?

That’s a great suggestion, if enough people do it I’m sure he would look into it! JMO

The town is Chehalis. I drove through there in the mid 90s with one of my clients. We had work a few hours away so he wanted to take a bypass through there to see his old home and hangouts. He was not Mormon, but raised as a strict Christian. He was one of those that pushed his beliefs on to others and almost acted like he needed to impose god's will on you. I won't go into details of the work, but I would have to spend 4 weeks in CA Central Valley and another 4 weeks in Eastern WA with him every summer. He got sick and we helped find him an assistant. He was a young man that just got back from an English teaching assignment in Japan. He was your regular 27 year old American guy wanting to settle down, socialize, have a beer, meet a partner. Within 6 months, he wore the same shoes and pants as his new boss, spoke the same way, etc. He became totally brainwashed. One year I had a three day weekend for July 4th. He released me from having to be on call and said to enjoy the weekend. My fiance flew up to meet me and we went on hikes, shopping, etc. On my first day of work he told me I was not needed anymore and I should probably pack up and get ready to leave for the season. It took pleading from my boss to get him to reconsider. I know the story doesn't add much to this topic, but he was from Chehalis and he sure brainwashed a pretty normal guy pretty quick.

That’s a interesting story and shows how quickly these extreme beliefs can spread and get people involved. Another poster mentioned St.Anthony as being similar to what you have described as well. Makes me wonder what’s going on around there JMO

The funny thing is I believe it's even more bizarre behind the scenes lol.

I do too. MOO

 

[tresir2012]

This site is pretty impressive and I have been fascinated by the amount of information you all have acquired. I hope that this may help.

There is an LDS college in Rexburg and a lot of the members live around there. About BYU-Idaho

Aside from that, there are also unfortunately a lot of very bad things that go on in Eastern Idaho for being such a rural area. There have been a lot of high-ranking officials caught for child porn and abuse. Lots of corruption. I have a friend from there who was a victim of child trafficking, so that always makes me wonder if the children were sold into that.

Welcome to WS. Lori has ended up in Hawaii and Alex went back to Az. So why did Lori and Alex move up there just for three months max. They had no links to BYU at all. Are you saying you think Tylee and Jj have been trafficked?

 

[Ohmeohmy]

With all due respect to the immediate Daybell family, IMO Chad may have been leading a double life in regards to an affair with Lori but they had to be aware of his views. There are books, podcasts, speaking engagements, campouts, sons doing audio versions, etc. They also had to be vaguely aware of Lori to some degree based on his podcast with her in September, prior podcasts, engagements, etc. His other podcast friend claims she spoke with his daughter so they all would be somewhat socially connected.
I think of it this way. I go to church with 100 other people for a couple of hours each week. When we are together I know what 100 other people are doing (not what they may be thinking). When we leave I may check in with some though-out the week, but don’t really know what they are doing. The only people I know from church what they are up to 90% of the time is the ones I live with. Even Chads brothers family was uncomfortable with Chads radical views. I believe Chads children are loyal to their father and they grew up with his beliefs. I do not fault them. But look at their actions even after trickles of info came out. Even when they 100% would have known about Lori. The mocking on camera, initially refusing tO let LE in to serve warrants at the Daybell home.
As for Tammy from all accounts she was the salt of the earth, but she was aware of his views. Again, was she aware of an affair? IMO a woman’s intuition is pretty powerful. She seems to be the type that may not voice her concerns but that does not mean she wasn’t acutely aware something was off in her marriage. Maybe not? IMO I doubt it.
MOO I respect all the victims here and do not want to sound as if I don’t. I just disagree that the family was not keen to Chads double life.

Totally agree. I stated this same thing about 8 threads back or so. Daybell kids ( 5 adults) grew up with this thinking this is normal but, there are a couple son in laws and maybe a daughter in law married into this family who I bet have had enough of this baloney . I would be so curious how they are even coping just going to work and school and Dad on a beach with new chick.

 

[Randocalrissian]

Message a mod with the link to the youtube you want to discuss and ask permission. Might be good to explain why you want to discuss it. Or send a link to MSM.

There are several MSM articles about the visions and this is one of them.

Chad Daybell had a “vision” his wife Tammy would die, friend says

"Daybell and Rowe often talked about a vision they both had years ago where angels told them Tammy would die.

“He was emotionally distraught, he was crying and he said that his angels had told him that he was going to lose Tammy,” said Rowe.

After her ex-communication from the Church, Rowe said they distanced themselves from each other.

Three weeks before Tammy’s death, Rowe and Daybell called each other.

“And I asked him, do you still see Tammy dying? And he said yes I do,” said Rowe.

Tammy was in charge of the finances and covers for Daybell’s books. Rowe said Daybell wanted to get out of the business, but Tammy wanted to keep going.

“He said I’m ready to get out now and Tammy doesn’t want to get out. When she passes, I’m done, I can’t keep doing this,” said Rowe.

Now, Rowe hasn’t heard from Daybell and any of his children—she has not reached out to Daybell himself, but his daughter has not responded to her texts."

3 weeks before Tammy's death would be September 28th so that would have been the last time he had these visions. They first met in 2014 so the initial visions they both had could have been as long ago as that.

I wouldn’t trust anything that JR has to say about this case. Her perspective and agenda is self serving.

 

[tresir2012]

I am not sure that he really wanted out of the book business. When he spoke with me at the burial, he told me that he would now be able to travel more in support of his book business, that previously he could not do, as Tammy didn’t want to travel. In hindsight, anything he has said to others has to be taken in the context of the impressions he was trying to make to cover up, mislead, and distract from his real plans.

What does that mean though, "travel in support of his book business" ? Travelling for book signings and talks? Tammy was in charge of the finances and the book covers apparently . He told a friend he wanted out of the book business so perhaps that meant he did not want to publish other people's books or it could mean he just didnt want to write his own books anymore. I am more inclined to believe he wants out. He also told people that Lori had no minor children when he clearly knew that wasn't true as he must have seen the divorce paperwork. I agree there has been misleading statements made by both Lori and Chad.

 

[kye0001]

This site is pretty impressive and I have been fascinated by the amount of information you all have acquired. I hope that this may help.

There is an LDS college in Rexburg and a lot of the members live around there. About BYU-Idaho

Aside from that, there are also unfortunately a lot of very bad things that go on in Eastern Idaho for being such a rural area. There have been a lot of high-ranking officials caught for child porn and abuse. Lots of corruption. I have a friend from there who was a victim of child trafficking, so that always makes me wonder if the children were sold into that.

Welcome aboard! Some interesting points there, especially the corruption part. In this case (and I may be wrong) I don’t think she would have passed them off into child trafficking. At least I suppose that depends on the definition of it...moving a child across state lines...possibly. Passing them off to someone within their group to hide them...possibly. In the traditional sense of what we know of child trafficking I just don’t think so (JMO). She may be using people she knows and trusts to hide them though. The latest search warrants make me doubtful though. MOO

 

[tresir2012]

I wouldn’t trust anything that JR has to say about this case. Her perspective and agenda is self serving.

So you think she is lying when saying both she and Chad had visions years ago of Tammy dying and that she spoke to him 3 weeks before she died and he confirmed he still had visions?

Those words he apparently said just 3 weeks before she died are pretty powerful.

"He said I’m ready to get out now and Tammy doesn’t want to get out. When she passes, I’m done, I can’t keep doing this,” said Rowe."

3 weeks later Tammy was dead and he is in Hawaii with his lover. Pretty inflammatory and accurate I would say. She may even have given a statement to LE. If not I hope they interview her soon.

Chad Daybell had a “vision” his wife Tammy would die, friend says

 

[Gardener1850]

Have you looked at her thread? I went down that thread a lot. You’ll notice I had many posts in a row there- the last one to reply.

Most interesting to me was that she was reported missing without her married name- seems like she left hubby and moved home. It is a very interesting case but I personally think the timeline is too early to be related here.

I just looked at her thread for the first time. While it's interesting to think about a possible connection, it seems Alyssa's June 2016 death happened while Lori was living in Hawaii. So there can't be a connection with Lori unless it is through an associate of Lori living in the area (like AC). But I'm not sure if AC was living there at that time either. I'm a little fuzzy on how much we can sleuth of Alex, being that he is deceased, so I'll stick to MSM links. The Looney Tunes video of AC featured on Fox10 Phoenix was uploaded in June 2016: Court documents: Lori Vallow's brother threatened to kill her 3rd husband in Texas
The radio producer in that article who uploaded the Looney Tunes video is not from AZ. And that is all I will say about that as googling her name leads down a whole other rabbit trail and I'm pretty sure we can't sleuth her or others associated with her here.

 

[Randocalrissian]

What does that mean though, "travel in support of his book business" ? Travelling for book signings and talks? Tammy was in charge of the finances and the book covers apparently . He told a friend he wanted out of the book business so perhaps that meant he did not want to publish other people's books or it could mean he just didnt want to write his own books anymore. I am more inclined to believe he wants out. He also told people that Lori had no minor children when he clearly knew that wasn't true as he must have seen the divorce paperwork. I agree there has been misleading statements made by both Lori and Chad.

The friend, who made that claim is JR, who by her own words had a falling out with Chad, and also claims Chad wanted money from her for printed books that did not sell, and distanced himself from her after her excommunication from the LDS church. She has serious credibility issues, that can easily be found with a simple google search. Chad and Tammy built their living from their publishing company, and yet didn’t earn enough to cover all expenses, as Tammy took on additional jobs, both in Springville (where I knew the family) and in Idaho. Three of their children had recently gotten married since they moved to Idaho, and she had two new grandchildren, with another on the way. By all accounts, she was a doting grandmother. Chad’s travel in support of his business seems to have been about his books, and other groups he belonged to that generated income for him. And IMO also allowed him to meet with adoring fans and sycophants who gave him the attention he could not otherwise get in his day to day life.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

The town is Chehalis. I drove through there in the mid 90s with one of my clients. We had work a few hours away so he wanted to take a bypass through there to see his old home and hangouts. He was not Mormon, but raised as a strict Christian. He was one of those that pushed his beliefs on to others and almost acted like he needed to impose god's will on you. I won't go into details of the work, but I would have to spend 4 weeks in CA Central Valley and another 4 weeks in Eastern WA with him every summer. He got sick and we helped find him an assistant. He was a young man that just got back from an English teaching assignment in Japan. He was your regular 27 year old American guy wanting to settle down, socialize, have a beer, meet a partner. Within 6 months, he wore the same shoes and pants as his new boss, spoke the same way, etc. He became totally brainwashed. One year I had a three day weekend for July 4th. He released me from having to be on call and said to enjoy the weekend. My fiance flew up to meet me and we went on hikes, shopping, etc. On my first day of work he told me I was not needed anymore and I should probably pacyik up and get ready to leave for the season. It took pleading from my boss to get him to reconsider. I know the story doesn't add much to this topic, but he was from Chehalis and he sure brainwashed a pretty normal guy pretty quick.

WEll that's an uncomfortable yuck story! And yuck again..I just found out that the Green River Serial Killer was from Chahalis too! Maybe the water

 

[PezCandy]

What is her “reasoning” for not handing the kids over or even proving they are indeed alive?

 

[Randocalrissian]

So you think she is lying when saying both she and Chad had visions years ago of Tammy dying and that she spoke to him 3 weeks before she died and he confirmed he still had visions?

Those words he apparently said just 3 weeks before she died are pretty powerful.

"He said I’m ready to get out now and Tammy doesn’t want to get out. When she passes, I’m done, I can’t keep doing this,” said Rowe."

3 weeks later Tammy was dead and he is in Hawaii with his lover. Pretty inflammatory and accurate I would say. She may even have given a statement to LE. If not I hope they interview her soon.

It’s hard to go down this road without getting into the tangents of JR. Her history is to grab onto anything someone else says, and “testify” to it’s truth, thereby claiming to know that as well. I don’t flat out believe anything she says, nor anything Chad has told me directly. But we can look at what they say and filter it against the facts of what has happened. And it is possible that Chad did tell JR that he wanted out, as a purposeful lie to get out if some obligation from her as a former author tied to his business. But logically, why would he abandon his source of not only income, but adoration, including of the woman who he is now with? In the end, there are many people here who are trying to hide the truth or their actions. My two cents.

 

[tresir2012]

Those other groups he belonged to have denied he got paid though. So it cannot have been for the money that he did that IMO.

The friend, who made that claim is JR, who by her own words had a falling out with Chad, and also claims Chad wanted money from her for printed books that did not sell, and distanced himself from her after her excommunication from the LDS church. She has serious credibility issues, that can easily be found with a simple google search. Chad and Tammy built their living from their publishing company, and yet didn’t earn enough to cover all expenses, as Tammy took on additional jobs, both in Springville (where I knew the family) and in Idaho. Three of their children had recently gotten married since they moved to Arizona, and she had two new grandchildren, with another on the way. By all accounts, she was a doting grandmother. Chad’s travel in support of his business seems to have been about his books, and other groups he belonged to that generated income for him. And IMO also allowed him to meet with adoring fans and sycophants who gave him the attention he could not otherwise get in his day to day life.