Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #13

[EnquetreuseMaigret]

So I hope this is okay to post here... I did a little internet sleuthing and was able to confirm CD, VP, and IP had handles that included their names on the AVOW site. I know the group has distanced themselves from LVD and CD, but obviously those two were definitely active members at some point.

In the classifieds, there are many properties available for purchase that include a secluded building with years of food storage. Literally, multiple properties that would be used in a SHTF doomsday situation.
Other - AVOW Classifieds

My hope is that kiddos are being kept somewhere like that with caring people that got caught up in all this. I'm probably being naive, though.

Hello. I just created an account here but have been lurking for years. I have been following this case closely since I heard about it a few weeks ago. I have read through the thread here since page one and don’t recall this mentioned.

Has anyone brought up the fact that JJ’s service dog was nowhere to be seen on the police body cam the day CV was killed?
The police enter the home and there is no dog barking or running around as far as I could see. I found that very strange. It was a big black dog. I don’t think I would of missed the dog on the video. Even when LE arrive AC said nothing about a dog being in the house.
Has this been talked about here and I missed it? Thank you.

Good point. I assume the dog did not spend the school day with JJ, right? If dog were in car & CV made the school run, he wld have had to return the critter to LV's house or keep it with him all day. IMO, neither is likely. If dog were in car by the time LV joined JJ & TR to make the drive, it wld likely have emerged or at least been mentioned when LV & TR returned to the house. I suppose the dog cld have spent the entire time quietly in the car but how likely is that? Looks to me like the absence of the dog speaks to advance planning. MOO

 

[CSIDreamer]

Not true at all. My kids are one of each. My eldest is most definitely his mothers son, he and I share humour, thought process, everything...anyone who knows us says that. My youngest is his dads double in every way. I still love him just as much and am very proud of the young man he has become. MOO.

JMO but when families are blended often the grandparents have very little to do with the exes kids. My exes MIL has never even met one of our kids. She gives the youngest a gift at Xmas as she sees him a couple of times a year. She sees her own grandkids (exes new wife) weekly. It’s no reflection on any of them, they’re nice people. My kids are both young adults and just don’t have as much to do with them. MOO

My husband told our daughter's boyfriend: if you love x you will love her mom, no problem. She is her mother's daughter. My son in love and I do just fine lol. Jmo.

 

[Cookies101]

I think she meant it meanly. I've never heard the term, " X is her mother's daughter," or " X is their father's son, to be a compliment or even a neutral statement of fact. The phrase is loaded with shade.

IMO It is very possible that Tylee is “her mother’s daughter”. It is terribly sad, but it is definitely a possibility that Tylee could have been involved in both Charles’ shooting and in the BB incident. It would completely explain why BB can’t talk about the suspects(minors involved). The Chandler police also have stated something to the effect that the CV case is still open because J.J. and Tylee are missing. Well, that could explain that statement as well. She may not just be a “witness”.

 

[kye0001]

Also I think Kay is JJ's biological grandmother but Charles' biological sister. Making her (Kay) just an aunt by marriage to Tylee. Which would play a bit on the dynamic.

Yes and if they didn’t see much of her they won’t know much about her. It sounds as though CD brought JJ to see them in the last few years. All they might know about TR is what CD said. If LV was involving TR in the break up etc, it gets messy. JMO but I’ve seen it happen many times.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Valley dog trainer remembers encounter with Lori Vallow a month after Charles Vallow's death

I am also with everyone wondering where the dog is when Charles is killed. It was already going to be very hot that day and I can not imagine it is in the backyard even at this time of morning and wonder if shut in somewhere. MOO

 

[kye0001]

IMO It is very possible that Tylee is “her mother’s daughter”. It is terribly sad, but it is definitely a possibility that Tylee could have been involved in both Charles’ shooting and in the BB incident. It would completely explain why BB can’t talk about the suspects(minors involved). The Chandler police also have stated something to the effect that the case is still open because J.J. and Tylee are missing. Well, that could explain that statement as well. She may not just be a “witness”.

She’s a kid who’s been dragged into a mess that most adults can’t fathom. Anything’s possible but she is still missing and a victim of that mess also. Sadly she will have believed what her mum filled her head with as kids do. JMO

 

[Gardener1850]

I think it makes sense if JJ's grandparents don't think of Tylee the same as JJ. I think they have made a real effort to include her in the reward and in the press conferences, however, Kay and Larry are not grandparents to Tylee even if the media is reporting it as if both kids are their grandchildren. Kay is Charles' sister. Lori is Kay's Sister-in-law (and the 3rd woman CV married). Tylee's relationship to Kay is step-niece, not granddaughter. That was their relationship status for 8 years before Kay's biological grandson JJ was adopted by Charles (and it might not have ever changed to one of Kay and Larry treating Tylee as a granddaughter rather than a niece by marriage). Kay and Larry also live in another state (LA) while Charles, Lori and Tylee moved from TX to AZ to HI, back to AZ, back to TX, then back to AZ one more time before CV was killed. Plus, Tylee had her own dad (up until his death in 2018) and she was supposed to be splitting her time living at his house. It's pretty hard to get to know a teen if you rarely see them.

Kay did mention visiting Charles and Lori in Hawaii at some point and staying at Lori's favorite resort, so I believe KW & LW made an effort to be in their lives after JJ came. But who knows how many times Kay and Larry even saw Tylee prior to JJ being adopted by Charles? They might have only seen her on on holidays or in the background of their facetimes with JJ. If Tylee was with her father sometimes then Lori and Charles could have taken JJ for a visit with Kay and Larry and Tylee wouldn't have gone and wouldn't have spent time with them at all. Kay said she believed Tylee was living with other relatives while Lori disappeared for close to 2 months (we only found out recently that Tylee went to HI with Lori for part of that time). That makes me think that Tylee was often with "other relatives" and not with Charles, Lori and JJ whenever they visited JJ's grandparents. Tylee also mentions living with her uncle (AC) so we know that she wasn't with Lori all the time. Given the complexity of the relationships, I don't find it at all surprising if their relationship with Tylee is not as close of one as with JJ. MOO.

 

[EnquetreuseMaigret]

So I hope this is okay to post here... I did a little internet sleuthing and was able to confirm CD, VP, and IP had handles that included their names on the AVOW site. I know the group has distanced themselves from LVD and CD, but obviously those two were definitely active members at some point.

In the classifieds, there are many properties available for purchase that include a secluded building with years of food storage. Literally, multiple properties that would be used in a SHTF doomsday situation.
Other - AVOW Classifieds

My hope is that kiddos are being kept somewhere like that with caring people that got caught up in all this. I'm probably being naive, though.

Hello. I just created an account here but have been lurking for years. I have been following this case closely since I heard about it a few weeks ago. I have read through the thread here since page one and don’t recall this mentioned.

Has anyone brought up the fact that JJ’s service dog was nowhere to be seen on the police body cam the day CV was killed?
The police enter the home and there is no dog barking or running around as far as I could see. I found that very strange. It was a big black dog. I don’t think I would of missed the dog on the video. Even when LE arrive AC said nothing about a dog being in the house.
Has this been talked about here and I missed it? Thank you.

Good point. I assume the dog did not spend the school day with JJ, right? If dog were in car & CV made the school run, he wld have had to return the critter to LV's house or keep it with him all day. IMO, neither is likely. If dog were in car by the time LV joined JJ & TR to make the drive, it wld likely have emerged or at least been mentioned when LV & TR returned to the house. I suppose the dog cld have spent the entire time quietly in the car but how likely is that? Looks to me like the absence of the dog speaks to advance planning. MOO

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About Tylee...
It's not uncommon for blended families to have different levels of attachment/exposure when it comes to kids. Lori's kids all have different fathers so who knows how things went when one child went to visit their extended family. Technically, KW and LW are Tylee's step aunt and uncle. Maybe some of the times JJ went to visit his grandparents, Tylee went to visit her grandparents or other family members.

Also, Tylee is 17 and the grandparents are only her grandparents by marriage. If Charles had not been murdered, the divorce probably would have happened soon, so I don't know if Tylee would want to live with JJ's grandparents. Also, Tylee has a brother, maternal grandparents, presumably paternal grandparents, and other family members. We have only heard from her brother and her step aunt and step uncle-KW and LW. Where are her biological grandparents, aunts, and uncles? We don't know what's going on behind the scene with Tylee's family.

Speaking of TR's older brother CR, in at least one of his interviews or messages, he mentions hard times he has gone through lately. If he is lacking a job and financial security, he will not be a likely candidate for custody of TR, should the need arises. Any way to help him resolve his own situation. This was mentioned by, I believe, Justin Lum.

 

[jjenny]

Valley dog trainer remembers encounter with Lori Vallow a month after Charles Vallow's death

I am also with everyone wondering where the dog is when Charles is killed. It was already going to be very hot that day and I can not imagine it is in the backyard even at this time of morning and wonder if shut in somewhere. MOO

So I guess it was Lori who called the trainer to come and get the dog (not the other way around). I guess she didn't manage to sell the dog.

 

[Cookies101]

She’s a kid who’s been dragged into a mess that most adults can’t fathom. Anything’s possible but she is still missing and a victim of that mess also. Sadly she will have believed what her mum filled her head with as kids do. JMO

Completely Agree! I didn’t mean to place blame on Tylee. If there was any involvement, She would have obviously been manipulated and groomed by Lori.
I’m sorry if it sounded negative...It is just a theory explaining why the police have handled things in seemingly strange ways! MOO

 

[Pax10]

Some therapy dogs go everywhere with the person. We had a student at the school I worked at whose therapy dog did spend the day with her. She had asd, if that matters.

I have no idea if that's the norm, though, she's the only child with asd I knew who had a therapy dog. Moo

 

[kye0001]

Speaking of TR's older brother CR, in at least one of his interviews or messages, he mentions hard times he has gone through lately. If he is lacking a job and financial security, he will not be a likely candidate for custody of TR, should the need arises. Any way to help him resolve his own situation. This was mentioned by, I believe, Justin Lum.

I suspect if it came to custody, considering what TR has gone through they’d be help out there to help him achieve that if that’s what TR wanted. They’ve started a go fund me already and I think if she was found many people would donate. He may also be able to get foster carer money for her. MOO

 

[jjenny]

Some therapy dogs go everywhere with the person. We had a student at the school I worked at whose therapy dog did spend the day with her. She had asd, if that matters.

I have no idea if that's the norm, though, she's the only child with asd I knew who had a therapy dog.

JJ was reportedly very close to the dog. But Lori obviously decided that dog wasn't going to go to Idaho. She put the dog up for sale. I guess she didn't manage to find a buyer so she contacted the dog's trainer and asked him to come get the dog quickly.

 

[jjenny]

I suspect if it came to custody, considering what TR has gone through they’d be help out there to help him achieve that if that’s what TR wanted. They’ve started a go fund me already and I think if she was found many people would donate. He may also be able to get foster carer money for her. MOO

They got to find her first before I start worrying who gets custody of her.

 

[kye0001]

They got to find her first before I start worrying who gets custody of her.

This exactly ^^^

 

[Portiz34]

So I hope this is okay to post here... I did a little internet sleuthing and was able to confirm CD, VP, and IP had handles that included their names on the AVOW site. I know the group has distanced themselves from LVD and CD, but obviously those two were definitely active members at some point.

In the classifieds, there are many properties available for purchase that include a secluded building with years of food storage. Literally, multiple properties that would be used in a SHTF doomsday situation.
Other - AVOW Classifieds

My hope is that kiddos are being kept somewhere like that with caring people that got caught up in all this. I'm probably being naive, though.

Err, I guess I cant say this but also another AVOW member seems to be head of a charter school in AZ.

 

[Gardener1850]

By late August, Mestas says he received a phone call from Lori.

"I'm picking up the dog, trying to help them out," said Mestas. "[Lori] said this tragedy happened, and she needed to move. She told me they were moving up north. I think she said Idaho or something like that. One of her daughters was in school in Idaho. She said they were moving up there to be with her, and so I said 'OK, let me see if I can find a home.' She said 'I need you to come get him right now.'"

Read more: Valley dog trainer remembers encounter with Lori Vallow a month after Charles Vallow's death

BBM. There goes Lori lying again. One of her daughters was in school in Idaho? She only has Tylee and Tylee was still only 16. Also, someone remind me, how did we hear that the trainer of the dog saw the ad and required Lori to give the dog back? Where did that version of the story originate from? Could it have been Lori claiming to someone that the trainer took the dog back? MOO.

 

[FindingJoLee]

JJ was reportedly very close to the dog. But Lori obviously decided that dog wasn't going to go to Idaho. She put the dog up for sale. I guess she didn't manage to find a buyer so she contacted the dog's trainer and asked him to come get the dog quickly.

His iPad is gone, his meds are gone, his dog is gone. (Nevermind home, school, friends, dad....) You would think his mother would want all these things to remain with JJ. If those things are calming for him, her job is easier. This is a grim realization for me....

 

[155etta]

Valley dog trainer remembers encounter with Lori Vallow a month after Charles Vallow's death

"She told me they were moving up north. I think she said Idaho or something like that. One of her daughters was in school in Idaho. She said they were moving up there to be with her, and so I said 'OK, let me see if I can find a home.' She said 'I need you to come get him right now.'"

It really seems like Lori would lie even if it were easier to tell the truth.

 

[Secretly a Secretary]

I believe it was in CRs long interview he touched on Lori and Tylees relationship and Tylee and Charles’s relationship.
Also, Tylee was with Lori when they went to the police station before Lori got checked out for the 72 hour hold and was with her mother in Hawaii for the month in early 2019. That leaves a lot of time for Lori to sway Tylee heavily against Charles (IMO not to hurt/kill him, but to distance them further).
From what I gather Kay’s interest is mainly focused on J.J. and Tylee is welcome if she so chooses.
Again and again and again... it begs the question who had Tylees back? Who is fighting for her? Yes, CR but he has his own young family. Why are others not stepping up? I know many of us are aggravated and dumbfounded by this.
Moo