Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #13

[Randocalrissian]

Those other groups he belonged to have denied he got paid though. So it cannot have been for the money that he did that IMO.

He got paid from the subgroup he managed through one of those groups. I have no idea how he was compensated by the podcasts and talks he made with the touring conference group, and I have not seen anywhere where they claimed he was not paid. But even if he wasn’t, he certainly benefited from exposure to his books, and the exposure of other authors that he published.
Regardless, I’m not sure how this matters in the larger scheme of this case.

 

[tresir2012]

So you think she lied to MSM? I don't believe that. Purely and simply because Tammy is dead and Chad's dreams came true.

It’s hard to go down this road without getting into the tangents of JR. Her history is to grab onto anything someone else says, and “testify” to it’s truth, thereby claiming to know that as well. I don’t flat out believe anything she says, nor anything Chad has told me directly. But we can look at what they say and filter it against the facts of what has happened. And it is possible that Chad did tell JR that he wanted out, as a purposeful lie to get out if some obligation from her as a former author tied to his business. But logically, why would he abandon his source of not only income, but adoration, including of the woman who he is now with? In the end, there are many people here who are trying to hide the truth or their actions. My two cents.

 

[mickey2942]

What is her “reasoning” for not handing the kids over or even proving they are indeed alive?

This is actually a "Libertarian" value, that the government has no right to compel people to do anything.

Lori Daybell has not been charged with any criminal activity, and she has the right to not self incriminate.

The police can't arrest her for murder, there is no evidence that the children are dead. She doesn't have to prove their existence. The government would have to prove that they no longer exist.

It is simple, but also very sophisticated. And it worries me that many criminals may be watching this case very closely.

I would be interested in what types of articles and books Lori Daybell has read. Did she follow the trial of Drew Peterson? How he was able to evade authorities for so long, until his narcissism brought him down.

 

[CSIDreamer]

What does that mean though, "travel in support of his book business" ? Travelling for book signings and talks? Tammy was in charge of the finances and the book covers apparently . He told a friend he wanted out of the book business so perhaps that meant he did not want to publish other people's books or it could mean he just didnt want to write his own books anymore. I am more inclined to believe he wants out. He also told people that Lori had no minor children when he clearly knew that wasn't true as he must have seen the divorce paperwork. I agree there has been misleading statements made by both Lori and Chad.

The "thing" to me is this regarding getting out of book sales.

1. We honestly don't know how much money Chad and Lori have left. Or how much they had going into this fiasco. Chances are, they are going to run out of cash. I can't see them carrying hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash in evidence baggies.

2. The books will provide a small income, if nothing else. Depending on finances, he (they) need to keep their names relevant with certain types of people that would contribute financially.

3. About the only marketable skills we know of are beautician and grave digger. Outside of author and potential killers.

Jmo

 

[kye0001]

What is her “reasoning” for not handing the kids over or even proving they are indeed alive?

We can only speculate unfortunately. She comes from a pretty anti government family so it could be she sees the kids as property and non of anyone’s business. Could be to hurt the grandparents. Could be because they’re no longer around and she can’t produce them It could also be that she doesn’t know.

It’s heading towards 5 months since they were last seen. It’s very worrying. MOO

 

[Randocalrissian]

So you think she lied to MSM? I don't believe that. Purely and simply because Tammy is dead and Chad's dreams came true.

I think Chad told JR about that, because I think he wanted some cover in his prepper community when it happened IRL. And I think at the time he shared it, he and JR were in good standing with each other. I doubt JR ever saw it herself, nor anything JR claims, but she certainly wants people to believe it, because she wants relevance and adoration as well.

 

[jjenny]

And seriously, if Chad actually wanted out of book publishing business, all he had to do is tell Tammy her dead grandma wanted them to stop publishing. Clearly Chad knew very well how to manipulate Tammy into doing what he wanted. I think Tammy believed that Chad actually had visions and talked to spirits of her departed relatives.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I was just wondering if I could get a little more help finding this account? Should I look in insta? Or where? @nopynono
ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #8

 

[tresir2012]

I think Chad told JR about that, because I think he wanted some cover in his prepper community when it happened IRL. And I think at the time he shared it, he and JR were in good standing with each other. I doubt JR ever saw it herself, nor anything JR claims, but she certainly wants people to believe it.

MSM says that was three weeks before Tammy died that she last spoke to him. Here is the link to the statement from the media company that clearly states near the end that no speakers ever got paid.

"Neither he, nor any speaker, was paid to speak at our events."

https://www.preparingapeople.com

 

[Alpha Bravo]

That could mean that Alex's new wife wasn't home when he was poisoned (or poisoned himself), IF that's why he died.

She wasn't. But she could have left him some food? As long as she knew her son wouldn't eat it.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I think Chad told JR about that, because I think he wanted some cover in his prepper community when it happened IRL. And I think at the time he shared it, he and JR were in good standing with each other. I doubt JR ever saw it herself, nor anything JR claims, but she certainly wants people to believe it, because she wants relevance and adoration as well.

Gives her a little more PR with her group, too. Jmo

 

[tresir2012]

He got paid from the subgroup he managed through one of those groups. I have no idea how he was compensated by the podcasts and talks he made with the touring conference group, and I have not seen anywhere where they claimed he was not paid. But even if he wasn’t, he certainly benefited from exposure to his books, and the exposure of other authors that he published.
Regardless, I’m not sure how this matters in the larger scheme of this case.

What is this subgroup he managed ? Do you have a link for this please?

 

[Randocalrissian]

MSM says that was three weeks before Tammy died that she last spoke to him. Here is the link to the statement from the media company that clearly states near the end that no speakers ever got paid.

"Neither he, nor any speaker, was paid to speak at our events."

https://www.preparingapeople.com

I know that JR claimed to speak with him three weeks before Tammy’s death, and after a long falling out prior. And she may have actually had that conversation. But when you look at her total podcast, where she makes those claims, it is self evident that she is trying to put the spotlight on herself.

I see that the touring company states speakers at their conferences didn’t get paid, but they said nothing about payment for the podcasting efforts.

In the end, I don’t understand how either of these points makes much of a difference.

 

[Randocalrissian]

What is this subgroup he managed ? Do you have a link for this please?

It was all over this thread earlier. AVOW is the group.

 

[BigAl16]

The friend, who made that claim is JR, who by her own words had a falling out with Chad, and also claims Chad wanted money from her for printed books that did not sell, and distanced himself from her after her excommunication from the LDS church. She has serious credibility issues, that can easily be found with a simple google search. Chad and Tammy built their living from their publishing company, and yet didn’t earn enough to cover all expenses, as Tammy took on additional jobs, both in Springville (where I knew the family) and in Idaho. Three of their children had recently gotten married since they moved to Arizona, and she had two new grandchildren, with another on the way. By all accounts, she was a doting grandmother. Chad’s travel in support of his business seems to have been about his books, and other groups he belonged to that generated income for him. And IMO also allowed him to meet with adoring fans and sycophants who gave him the attention he could not otherwise get in his day to day life.

"Three of their children had recently gotten married since they moved to Arizona,"

You mean Idaho?

 

[kye0001]

What is this subgroup he managed ? Do you have a link for this please?

It’s on the AVOW forum. Apparently after you are a member you can pay extra (£5 a month has been thrown around) so that you can be part of a subgroup with CD and listen to his prophercies. MOO

 

[Randocalrissian]

"Three of their children had recently gotten married since they moved to Arizona,"

You mean Idaho?

Yes. My mistake. I’ll fix it

 

[Kalamos23]

I was just wondering if I could get a little more help finding this account? Should I look in insta? Or where? @nopynono
ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #8

I’m looking all over as well.

 

[BigAl16]

What is this subgroup he managed ? Do you have a link for this please?

This is the subforum at AVOW. I'm sure you've seen the discussion about it throughout this case. (Actually seeing it requires paying the price of admission.)

 

[Avocado49]

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Lovely. NOT! This is disturbing. So it’s up to someone who may well know less about suspicious deaths than WS members to determine if it’s suspicious. If they think it is, it goes to LE who’ll investigate IF LE thinks it’s warranted.

How would LE know without having a medical examination? But there is no ME so someone has to find and schedule a doc to come look at the body. And PAY them to do it— probably from funds out of the city/county LE budget. Funds LE needs for new police cars, weapons, radios, computers, Kevlar vests, raises, add’l personnel and the annual Christmas Party.

Lots of reasons why LE wouldn’t recognize they need to investigate plus a few incentives not to if they’re on the fence. And easy to rationalize in a small town where everyone knows everyone that of course there was no foul play.

That’s just crazy to me. I’m foggy on why the Coroner is even there. Seriously, why? Just send in the local cop to say “Yep. She’s dead”. The cop at least has received first responder first aid training. He knows CPR . He’s been taught to check for signs of life. The Coroner may just know how to bake really good cookies.

Why not just let the cops confirm the persons dead and decide if it’s suspicious or not then act accordingly. The front desk officer or community service volunteer can type out the desk certificate and file it. Cut out the middleman.

Yep. If I were going to kill someone I’d head straight for a place w/a coroner.

and I’m sure Chad knew all about the Coroner and the rules, having worked in the burial business.