Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #15

[Redvines86]

Nate says LE is aware of their location. Sorry, Justin Lum said that.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

February 16,2020

Nate Eaton - Reporter

Nate Eaton - Reporter
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ON THE MOVE? Multiple sources tell me Chad and Lori Daybell left Kauai today around 2 p.m. Hawaii time. Many passengers and airport workers recognized them and they were apparently headed to Maui. Folks in Kauai are tired of having them on the island - in fact, a photo of this sign hanging near Walmart says "Where are the Children?" I don't know if they had one-way tickets or plan to return. And what happens next is anyone's guess... (by the way - if you see the Daybells or have information about them, send me a message. You can remain anonymous and chat off-the-record if you wish).

 

[BigAl16]

Nate Eaton - Reporter

Maui?

ON THE MOVE? Multiple sources tell me Chad and Lori Daybell left Kauai today around 2 p.m. Hawaii time. Many passengers and airport workers recognized them and they were apparently headed to Maui. Folks in Kauai are tired of having them on the island - in fact, a photo of this sign hanging near Walmart says "Where are the Children?" I don't know if they had one-way tickets or plan to return. And what happens next is anyone's guess... (by the way - if you see the Daybells or have information about them, send me a message. You can remain anonymous and chat off-the-record if you wish).

Just saw a picture of that sign on Nate's twitter account. I do think they were not getting the kind of attention they wanted. It appears they also skipped church today.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

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LEAVING KAUAI: I can confirm Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow have left the island of Kauai but not necessarily the state of Hawaii. I’m told law enforcement is aware of their location. #fox10phoenix





9:35 PM · Feb 16, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

Finally, something I can help with, minus my own wild speculation. What would you like to know about probate?

Mr X dies in a community property state. He has a will that names his sister, let's call her K, as executor. He also has a wife Mrs X. Estranged, but still married. Can Mrs X drain the checking account, the 401(k), sell the cars and the goats and the good china before the court officially appoints K as executor?

Follow-up: If Mrs X has credit and debit cards and checks, how does the executor go about stopping her from running up debt and writing bad checks?

 

[Redvines86]

I’m thinking maybe a prepper compound deep in Montana or Idaho would work. Though I just read that parts of Idaho are getting a major winter storm, so it might be slightly colder than Kauai.

I think Lori would last about five minutes in a prepper compound before she needed to prep herself right out of there lol. MOO.

 

[CSIDreamer]

All of you on Kauai. Check. On. Your. Neighbors.

 

[spandangly]

First of all, if anyone sees someone they think could be Tylee or JJ, do NOT do anything this woman did. Absolutely, positively not how it is done! Do your own research, but hypothetically speaking, someone who saw Tylee at a concert may just be someone who is well known on SM for these kind of stunts and is absolutely unreliable. MOO. As well, Tylee is adorable, and I so hope for the day we see her again, but, she is not super unusual looking. There are three girls where I work that look so much like her you would not believe it. MOO.

Also, Tylee's Aunt, ACushing, states emphatically in the comments it is not Tylee.

 

[squareandrabbet]

OK, Sleuthers, who do we have on the ground in Maui? lol

 

[CSIDreamer]

OK, Sleuthers, who do we have on the ground in Maui? lol

I dunno. But maybe one of those blasted pineapple trucks will run them off the road.

 

[DoctorAttorney]

Mr X dies in a community property state. He has a will that names his sister, let's call her K, as executor. He also has a wife Mrs X. Estranged, but still married. Can Mrs X drain the checking account, the 401(k), sell the cars and the goats and the good china before the court officially appoints K as executor?

Follow-up: If Mrs X has credit and debit cards and checks, how does the executor go about stopping her from running up debt and writing bad checks?

If Mrs. X has access, she can certainly do as much damage as she can before the courts catch up to her. And that's usually a lot by the way. She's very likely gonna have to get in front of a judge, but "can" is not the same as "will."

 

[KonaHonu]

You don't generally get due process protections before you commit a crime.

Of course you do. Once an Idaho court takes away her custody away she is, according to you, committing a felony. But until she actually KNOWS that fact through service of process, she cannot possibly have the criminal intent to be committing a crime. It may be different where you practice. But in the US, simply violating the written elements does not constitute a crime. You need, intent, notice, and so forth depending on the crime.

In the situation I alluded to earlier, I was working on a research project at a university. Due to a false alarm the cops came into our lab, guns drawn and ordered me to drop what I was carrying. Now, If I had dropped it I would have been destroying tens of thousands of dollars of state resources, a crime. So I refused verbally and explained why. Was I committing a crime by refusing a direct police order, absolutely, because I violated the letter of the law. Could I have been convicted? Possibly but I doubt it because there was no criminal intent. The cop was being an idiot and confronted me with a ridiculous choice. My response undoubtedly saved his job actually.

 

[alter idem]

Actually, I should be honest. I did join for a reason. I had a question that has been bugging me.

Have the police, MSM, friends, or anyone else looked into the possibility that Lori stashed the kids in one of those Utah LDS reform camps for troubled kids and teens? I don't have any evidence this could have happened at all but one of my LDS friends got sent to one in high school, and when she came back, she said that a lot of kids only got sent to them by their very religious parents or even in some cases, the state, because their care givers just wanted to be rid of them but still pay lip service to conservative values. If Lori and Chad really wanted to get rid of the kids, and they have money to burn, I could see them paying to send the kids away for a time rather than risk some more drastic action.

I don't know if this has any credence to it, but I just was wondering if it's came up as a possibility or not.

If they did this, why not just let the family, police know? It just doesn't make sense to string everyone along and cause all this publicity and agony instead of just saying that they put the kids in a 'troubled youth' camp. I am familiar with these places, but I don't think there are many of them anymore, they aren't as popular as they were decades ago. People from all over the country would send their troubled teens to these places to try to 'straighten them up', usually it only made them worse, IMO. Also, I don't think JJ would be helped by one of those kinds of camps, with his serious autism, and there seems to be no evidence that Tylee was a behavior problem, to consider sending her to one of these programs. JMO.

 

[KonaHonu]

Private planes cost a lot of money.

I've hired a private plane, for a critical work issue not personally. It cost $1600/hr about 15 years ago and was a smallish jet (maybe a Citation). For a 5 hour flight o Hawaii I bet the cost would be close to $20,000 these days, not per person though. Still a lot

 

[KonaHonu]

If the lawyer reported that to the court and they verified it then it wouldn't fit CPS and the court in Idaho proceeding with their actions though.

Do we know that the Id CPS action is proceeding? We know the Woodcock's action is but that is separate. The CPS action should be sealed, as in secret.

 

[BluebirdFla]

Didn’t LE confirm that they had moved on to Maui? And also Idaho news and Justin Lu? Previous page.

 

[DoctorAttorney]

If they did this, why not just let the family, police know? It just doesn't make sense to string everyone along and cause all this publicity and agony instead of just saying that they put the kids in a 'troubled youth' camp. I am familiar with these places, but I don't think there are many of them anymore, they aren't as popular as they were decades ago. People from all over the country would send their troubled teens to these places to try to 'straighten them up', usually it only made them worse, IMO. Also, I don't think JJ would be helped by one of those kinds of camps, with his serious autism, and there seems to be no evidence that Tylee was a behavior problem, to consider sending her to one of these programs. JMO.

I'd argue that killing the kids or putting them in a prepper camp is even more dangerous than finding a different location for them. Killing the kids doesn't work because it's leaving the two dependents to follow you around forever like a media weight; you could have just given the boy to his grandparents and let the teen girl age out of your care. Meanwhile the prepper crowd would turn the kids in quick for a bundle to buy the second generator...

But say you had the money to hide some kids away, and even do it legally and call it therapy for them... It's evil, but it's the kind of evil someone like Lori who hates conflict and tells wild lies would have perfect access to from a geographical standpoint.

 

[BigAl16]

Do we know that the Id CPS action is proceeding? We know the Woodcock's action is but that is separate. The CPS action should be sealed, as in secret.

Good question. I don't remember the exact words the Woodcocks used in their press conference, but my understanding was that the state had to get the custody first, then they were trying to get the state to award them custody at that point. Nothing in their press conference made me think that wasn't still the plan which, if they were aware that CPS had backed off, their plans would have changed, but they might not have let on. I guess I'm not sure.

 

[Dontknow?]

I've hired a private plane, for a critical work issue not personally. It cost $1600/hr about 15 years ago and was a smallish jet (maybe a Citation). For a 5 hour flight o Hawaii I bet the cost would be close to $20,000 these days, not per person though. Still a lot

It was about $2700 per flight of 630 miles round trip in one day where I had to fly too much in smaller private planes, way back when. That probably took 7- 10 hours in a one day round trip. 10 passenger, iirc Don't miss that at all.

 

[KonaHonu]

Odds of some retirement or other accounts where money is typically tied up long term and isn't quite as liquid is a possibility. As much money as Charles appears to have been bringing in and given the industry he worked in I'd be amazed if there wasn't a significant amount in things like that. However, that doesn't mean there was nearly enough to finance staying at the Marriot indefinitely, even at the cheaper $300/night rate.

I used to travel a lot for work. I have enough Marriott points to live at a Marriott resort for 6-8 months free of charge. I can transfer those to someone else if I want. I also book the cheapest room and usually get a high end ocean view suite upgrade for free. Given Charles's frequent travels for his job over 13+ years, don't make any assumptions about how much their resort stay is actually costing in hard dollars. Lori likely has his points.

When I first moved to Hawaii I knew I'd be staying at hotels a lot so I approached a few hotels including a Marriott and straight up asked, can you give me a flat rate if I commit to 50 nights this year at your property. I was offered rates between $89 and $159 with no resort charges at Marriott, Fairmont, and other high end hotels. Now. that's still thousands per year that I spent but tourists will spend that much in a week!

I have no idea if L&C had the foresight to do that but if they did they might be paying far less than anyone can imagine.