Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #15

[Tortoise]

15th Feb 2020

KPVI News: "Woodcock says authorities have shared with them why no arrest has been made but he says he cannot share that with the public at this time."

LW: "For the sake of those children we're going to give them our [confidence?]. We are not going to jeopardise this case in any way."

LW: "All I want to do is keep the media out there and find that one person that has seen these kids, who knows where these kids are and will say something."

LW: "I can tell you this from what I've been told, by some friends of ours, that the island is really getting tired of them."

 

[Etrup23]

15th Feb 2020

KPVI News: "Woodcock says authorities have shared with them why no arrest has been made but he says he cannot share that with the public at this time."

LW: "For the sake of those children we're going to give them our [confidence?]. We are not going to jeopardise this case in any way."

LW: "All I want to do is keep the media out there and find that one person that has seen these kids, who knows where these kids are and will say something."

LW: "I can tell you this from what I've been told, by some friends of ours, that the island is really getting tired of them."

HE seems genuinely satisfied that there will be a better outcome than most people think including myself. I wonder what he knows that could jeopardize this case potentially... There has to be some crucial info not yet in play within the public domain that might get revealed in days to come..

 

[Trouble1321075]

I would imagine after the publicity the dateline show produced they will be made to feel very uncomfortable on the island.
What i want to know is how they still have passports and how they are not listed as POI and restricted from travel outside of the country?

 

[Rush4087]

MOO
Let me start by saying I have no clue what the motive is behind all of this nor do I have any clue the fate of those poor kids.
What I am fairly confident about is whatever this is about, it was premeditated.
Lori apparently thought she was going to be able to collect $1 million life insurance beneifits on her deceased. That may of been what was going to finance the plot?
I also been thinking about whats behind these marriages too. All 3 of them are vey suspicious. Could it be they are using them as a legal protection to prevent from being forced to testify against eachother? I just cant figure out how to explain why these people would all suddenly get married.
I know we are limited in what we can sleuth but I don't think we are gonna understand what happened until we learn more about this cult they belonged too and the new spouses and what roles they play in all of this.

The quick marriage thing is definitely puzzling, and it certainly appears to be more than just a coincidence. I have found nothing online though in any of the group forum/blog sites that CD and Lori (and I guess AC and MB and ZP and others) participated in that indicates a possible reason for it.

That said, I think it is more likely to be a "preparation for the end times" action than it is to be an attempt to avoid being forced to testify against a spouse. It's been discussed at length in previous threads that spousal privilege only exists after the date of marriage, not before, - and that spousal privilege doesn't exist in potential child abuse cases anyway.

 

[kye0001]

Thanks for all the dateline updates. I can’t watch it here and am waiting (hoping) for it to be uploaded to YouTube.

I was really hoping that LV had the kids stashed somewhere and they would be found safe but it’s certainly looking less likely. I wonder if LV and CD watched the dateline episode last night? I hope his children and supporters did. It’s way passed time that they all started to share what they know with LE.

MOO

 

[Trouble1321075]

The quick marriage thing is definitely puzzling, and it certainly appears to be more than just a coincidence. I have found nothing online though in any of the group forum/blog sites that CD and Lori (and I guess AC and MB and ZP and others) participated in that indicates a possible reason for it.

That said, I think it is more likely to be a "preparation for the end times" action than it is to be an attempt to avoid being forced to testify against a spouse. It's been discussed at length in previous threads that spousal privilege only exists after the date of marriage, not before, - and that spousal privilege doesn't exist in potential child abuse cases anyway.

I know spousal privilege does not exist, but do they know that?
Anyhow its just 1 possibility rattling around in my head. The thing sbout it is that nothing i can think of really makes sense. Everything about this case screams CRAZY!
Everyone think this all revolves around Lori but I have not ruled out the possibility its actually Chad pulling all the strings. What if this was all done to please him. I know its far fetched but i honestly cant think of a scenerio that isnt far fetched.
Maybe lori is a serial killer dating all the way back to her sisters death. Maybe more people have died that we dont even know she is connected to.
I am not ruling anything out yet.

 

[Trouble1321075]

Thanks for all the dateline updates. I can’t watch it here and am waiting (hoping) for it to be uploaded to YouTube.

I was really hoping that LV had the kids stashed somewhere and they would be found safe but it’s certainly looking less likely. I wonder if LV and CD watched the dateline episode last night? I hope his children and supporters did. It’s way passed time that they all started to share what they know with LE.

MOO

I would not rule out that the kids are stashed somewhere. Its distinctly possible this whole thing isnt a lone person or couple orchestrating it. A group may be involved. As it stands now there 6 people who potentially could be involved in the planning and execution of whatever hapened.

 

[kye0001]

I would not rule out that the kids are stashed somewhere. Its distinctly possible this whole thing isnt a lone person or couple orchestrating it. A group may be involved. As it stands now there 6 people who potentially could be involved in the planning and execution of whatever hapened.

I think there’s a lot of people involved. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot get arrested in one go when CD and LV finally end up in cuffs. I hope they’re found safely. I won’t give up that hope until it’s proven otherwise. Its become a lot harder to believe that the children will turn up safely though. MOO

 

[CSIDreamer]

Morning y'all.

I had my spouse DVR dateline last night. Now I'm not so sure I need to watch it. It doesn't seem like there was anything new.

Jmo

 

[squareandrabbet]

Morning y'all.

I had my spouse DVR dateline last night. Now I'm not so sure I need to watch it. It doesn't seem like there was anything new.

Jmo

I would anyway. You never know what will be your own personal "Aha!" moment.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

Valentine’s Day. A day that meant so much to Charles Vallow. Kay Vallow Woodcock just shared something so personal with me. 2/14 was the wedding anniversary for Charles and Lori Vallow. Today would have been 14 years. Valentine’s Day 2019 — Kay watched Charles take his ring off with tears in his eyes. She says he told her “I can’t believe this is happening.” 2/14/20 — here we are. Charles isn’t. Photo courtesy: Kay Woodcock

 

[kye0001]

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

Valentine’s Day. A day that meant so much to Charles Vallow. Kay Vallow Woodcock just shared something so personal with me. 2/14 was the wedding anniversary for Charles and Lori Vallow. Today would have been 14 years. Valentine’s Day 2019 — Kay watched Charles take his ring off with tears in his eyes. She says he told her “I can’t believe this is happening.” 2/14/20 — here we are. Charles isn’t. Photo courtesy: Kay Woodcock

Poor KW and LW, you can guarantee that they thought about that more than LV did. I hope they get the answers they need soon. MOO

 

[Secretly a Secretary]

I would definitely watch the Dateline episode if you have it available. While it mainly skimmed over what we already know there were some new things.
I watched it live and also have it recorded and can go back but what was extremely interesting is how the media and LE worked together before they served the warrant in Hawaii. I wonder what else the media is possibly holding back on right now? Something that was strangely absent was no mention of Melanies quick marriage? They talk about BB shooting but that is about it. Could it be correct that Melanie is working with LE? (Someone unverified posted an e-mail in other media) That could be a reason to make her off limits? I know time constraints to the program would not allow every detail but thought it strange they didn’t throw it in with Alex’s quicky marriage. IMO

 

[kye0001]

I would definitely watch the Dateline episode if you have it available. While it mainly skimmed over what we already know there were some new things.
I watched it live and also have it recorded and can go back but what was extremely interesting is how the media and LE worked together before they served the warrant in Hawaii. I wonder what else the media is possibly holding back on right now? Something that was strangely absent was no mention of Melanies quick marriage? They talk about BB shooting but that is about it. Could it be correct that Melanie is working with LE? (Someone unverified posted an e-mail in other media) That could be a reason to make her off limits? I know time constraints to the program would not allow every detail but thought it strange they didn’t throw it in with Alex’s quicky marriage. IMO

I hope she is, if she’s got an ounce of common sense left...she is...MOO. Sometimes what they don’t say is actually more telling than what they do MOO.

 

[Secretly a Secretary]

Z and Lori’s relationship. Could she responsible for Alex’s death? The group needed to tie up some loose ends with him? MOO
Would want to look at her digital footprint as well.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I know this was linked upthread, bringing it forward.

Marriage license shows Lori Vallow's brother got married 2 weeks before his death

The wedding lasted no more than eight minutes. The only witness: The chapel's security guard because the two came alone. “They were very cold. It was business they just wanted to get in and get out,” Salas said.

The marriage certificate also shows something untraditional -- Alex took his new wife's last name. “Yeah that’s never happened, I’ve never heard that and this is a first,” Salas said.

"It was business". "They were very cold". But to what end? Why did they need a marriage of convenience? Any ideas? Jmo

 

[Tortoise]

Just thinking out loud...maybe the killing of Charles and in the case of BB, his attempted murder, were orchestrated by Chad to make Chad feel safe that the people around Lori (Alex and Melani - 'survivors') would have their own guilty secrets and would not out him for his intended murder of Tammy. So you arrange the survivors' silence by getting them involved in criminal activity, and eliminate the ones who cannot be so compromised. And then you eliminate people inside the safe circle if it looks like they've been rumbled (Alex). Charles had to go because divorce would leave him alive to observe Chad as the orchestrator and safeguard the children, and life insurance they thought they would get was an added bonus.

This makes Chad's only true goals killing Tammy and marrying Lori. He wanted to progress his affair. If it's true I'd say the orchestration of this dates back to when he started predicting Tammy's death, when those around him may not even be aware he had met Lori. I wonder when she started reading his books. He needed to convert people who were close to Lori, who might stand in his way, by fixing new spouses from his circle of believers, and manipulate them by giving them 'spiritual' justification.

MOO

 

[Countem]

Z and Lori’s relationship. Could she responsible for Alex’s death? The group needed to tie up some loose ends with him? MOO
Would want to look at her digital footprint as well.

That is an interesting theory. Perhaps Lori coordinated Alex and ZP’s marriage in order for Alex to get a “free” name change to disguise his identity, hence the “cold” ceremony with no witnesses.

Then, when the heat was on, Lori may have given ZP the go ahead to get rid of Alex in the same (or similar) way that worked so well with Tammy. (Or asked Alex to take his own life in that manner.)

Based on Lori’s friend in the Dateline episode, Lori views death as a simple movement through a doorway, so she wouldn’t feel upset for orchestrating anyone’s death, as she is so confident about everyone’s status on the “other side”.

 

[SiberianSleuth]

A tablet of some kind is definitely a possibility. There are a lot of cheap tablets (generally android based rather than iPads) that I'm aware of out there that are aimed at fairly young kids. That I could definitely see as a possibility, and I wouldn't rule out an iPad either although I think that is less likely.

He use to facetime his grandparents, bet he did have one. Also, she didn’t seem to have issue spending others money, so I don’t think she cared much about cost.

 

[jjenny]

Lori views death as a simple movement through a doorway? For others, I presume. I notice she herself is in no hurry to go through the doorway.