ID -Multiple firefighters reportedly shot while responding to fire near Coeur d’Alene

[charminglane]

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[whitelilac]

One shooter? What about the "multiple directions" ?
Hope it was just the one... and he's dead.

 

[subaw0067]

One shooter? What about the "multiple directions" ?
Hope it was just the one... and he's dead.

They said they are not able to confirm a number of shooters at this time.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

More on the situation (regularly updated):

Source: 2 dead after firefighters are ambushed in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho: Live Updates

 

[mzmarymac]

Definitely not, IMO. There’s nothing to suggest he’s connected in any way other than proximity (which is still hundreds of miles away). He is believed to have killed himself or is laying low “off grid”.

Definitely not? I mean, the man is a known survivalist from the state right next to Coeur d'Alene which is literally on the border of Washington. We know he's armed and hasn't been seen in weeks. I can't imagine why someone would think that it is definitely not him. Not saying 100% sure it is, but it certainly seems quite possible.

 

[subaw0067]

Definitely not? I mean, the man is a known survivalist from the state right next to Coeur d'Alene which is literally on the border of Washington. We know he's armed and hasn't been seen in weeks. I can't imagine why someone would think that it is definitely not him. Not saying 100% sure it is, but it certainly seems quite possible.

Because there is nothing about killing your children in a divorce dispute that suggests the next move would be to ambush a bunch of firefighters.

 

[mzmarymac]

One shooter? What about the "multiple directions" ?
Hope it was just the one... and he's dead.

It's interesting because we often hear that people believe there are more than one shooter in these types of situations. Not sure if it is confusion, fear, echoing sounds effects, etc...I'm not a gun expert so I have no idea, but I hear this a lotl I think it's the one guy because they lifted the shelter in place, so they seem to believe the threat is gone.

 

[subaw0067]

It's interesting because we often hear that people believe there are more than one shooter in these types of situations. Not sure if it is confusion, fear, echoing sounds effects, etc...I'm not a gun expert so I have no idea, but I hear this a lotl I think it's the one guy because they lifted the shelter in place, so they seem to believe the threat is gone.

During the presser the Sherriff also seemed to believe it was multiple. It’s hard for one person to lay fire down for hours and hours. I’m anxious to hear the facts.

 

[mzmarymac]

Because there is nothing about killing your children in a divorce dispute that suggests the next move would be to ambush a bunch of firefighters.

There's nothing about killing your own children for any reason is rational at all, so if a man is willing to kill his own children, God only knows what is going on in his messed up mind. My guess is that he was hiding up in there and perhaps accidentally set the fire and didn't want to be discovered, so took out the firefighters and then ultimately knew he was surrounded so ended it. IMO.

 

[mzmarymac]

During the presser the Sherriff also seemed to believe it was multiple. It’s hard for one person to lay fire down for hours and hours. I’m anxious to hear the facts.

BBM - same

I kind of really hope it is Decker because if not, that means he's still out there somewhere. There are a lot of lunatics in this world, but would love to hear Decker would be out. My heart goes out to the families of these brave firefighters who didn't deserve this. Very sad situation.

 

[subaw0067]

There's nothing about killing your own children for any reason is rational at all, so if a man is willing to kill his own children, God only knows what is going on in his messed up mind. My guess is that he was hiding up in there and perhaps accidentally set the fire and didn't want to be discovered, so took out the firefighters and then ultimately knew he was surrounded so ended it. IMO.

The sherriff said based on preliminary investigation the fire was set as a trap to lure the firefighters. Either way they have a suspect deceased, so they know if it’s Decker or not. Personally there is nothing that would lead me to that conclusion.

 

[whitelilac]

." though the man was not identified as a shooter..."as per above statement, they seem to be sure it was by lifting the shelter in place order.
Staging crossed my mind....a poor bloke who was shot and staged with a firearm.
But that's my suspicious mind....and too movie-ish.

 

[Snoopster]

So glad to hear they caught the shooter. Many people will sleep better tonight.

Now to douse the fire.

 

[Gemmie]

Anyone think this might be Travis Decker? Isn't he from the Pacific Northwest? Also former military.

Unless he planned to go out in a blaze of glory... I don't think it's him (Travis Decker). JMO

 

[keptbycats]

." though the man was not identified as a shooter..."as per above statement, they seem to be sure it was by lifting the shelter in place order.
Staging crossed my mind....a poor bloke who was shot and staged with a firearm.
But that's my suspicious mind....and too movie-ish.

Well, know that you're not alone! My skeptical brain went to the same place. It seems like they lifted the shelter-in-place so quickly, which seems odd to me. But, they must have compelling evidence (that we may not be hearing at the moment) to feel so certain that the danger has passed.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Presser in about one hour. Live on STS.

 

[Gemmie]

Looks like it’s over.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1939516018147422423

Glad it's over before sundown, which is minutes away.

 

[Gemmie]

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From your presser:

How could they be so certain when they were thinking the gunfire was coming from multiple directions? (mentioned upthread)

 

[Gemmie]

They said they are not able to confirm a number of shooters at this time.

But they lifted the the shelter in place order? They wouldn't do that, at least I don't think, unless they were SURE there wasn't anyone else out there.

JMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

This concerns me. ...."still in the process of removing people who have died from the mountain.."
Earlier an article described two ambulances driving "slowly" to the hospital. Slowly as in the patients were deceased?

And there's still more on the mountain?
And they still don't know how many others injured, or died because they can't get to them?

That's my take on why they drive slowly. Otherwise they are in a rush with sirens going to get them to the ER stat. There's no emergency if those being transported are deceased, unfortunately.

That was my take too. But they are saying they are still trying to recover people who have died on the mountain. So there's more than 2 who have died ? And they can't get to the injured either.

As of an hour ago, there was still shooting. Has it stopped? Are these snipers still there?
The shooting coming from "multiple directions" as stated by the chief in the PC is also a huge concern.....

I know that this is true——there’s no rush when the victims are deceased.

Yet I am nursing a very faint hope, that maybe someone is in very critical condition and cannot be jostled, and inside the ambulance they are performing some life-saving maneuvers????

I know I’m lying to myself. I’m recalling how in France, the ambulance transporting Princess Diana did in fact go slowly to tend to her without jostling her; obviously that did not work out.

Just my hopelessly hopeful wish.

It looks like the danger has passed, thank goodness.

When I worked as a paramedic in a volunteer fire department during college, we never transported deceased people, unless the person died in transit. In that case, we would continue moving quickly to the hospital while starting CPR, etc.

The two firefighters who passed away could have been killed instantly, but one statement said they died before they reached the hospital. Although Life Flight was on standby (reported here in an update 3 hours ago), helicopters were not sent to the scene due to active gunfire.

At any rate, the third firefighter who was shot was most likely transported via a ground ambulance driving at full speed with emergency lights on. He was still in surgery when last reported here.

The other two ambulances could have been transporting people with non-life-threatening injuries. I suppose the ambulances could have been driving slowly if they had a person whose injuries required careful transport, @Arkay, but lights would still be on IMO. Maybe it’s different in NY.

In my fire department, we only used our emergency lights and drove at full speed when our patient needed to get to the hospital ASAP. Speeding, having other cars move to the shoulder, and running red lights (after making sure all other vehicles have stopped) is dangerous, after all, for the people on the ambulance and the other vehicles on the road. Other fire departments could have different protocols, though.

By the way, when I performed a Google search, I did read that ambulances may transport deceased individuals in certain emergencies (mass casualty events, for example), so it is possible, but the source was not definitive.

IMO