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[Holdontoyourhat]

The 'f' in 'foreign' and 'follow' and elsewhere in the note have a big problem that cant be explained away by nerves or left handed writing.

The stroke the RN author used to form the letter f is a stroke where the pen remained down the entire time. The author used a zig-zag in the middle to form the horizontal section. IOW, the vertical is actually two separate strokes, not one continuous stroke as it is in PR's 'f' exemplars.

 

[Ames]

The 'f' in 'foreign' and 'follow' and elsewhere in the note have a big problem that cant be explained away by nerves or left handed writing.

The stroke the RN author used to form the letter f is a stroke where the pen remained down the entire time. The author used a zig-zag in the middle to form the horizontal section. IOW, the vertical is actually two separate strokes, not one continuous stroke as it is in PR's 'f' exemplars.

I am sorry...I am not following you....If Patsy's f was just one continuous stroke, then that means that she wouldn't have lifted the pen either....as you are saying that the RN author did, also.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I am sorry...I am not following you....If Patsy's f was just one continuous stroke, then that means that she wouldn't have lifted the pen either....as you are saying that the RN author did, also.

The RN author used one continuous stroke to form the entire letter 'f'. Zero pen lifts. Like none of us.

PR's exemplars used one continuous stroke to form the vertical, then one separate continuous stroke to form the horizontal. One pen lift. Like most of us.

 

[Ames]

The RN author used one continuous stroke to form the entire letter 'f'. Zero pen lifts. Like none of us.

PR's exemplars used one continuous stroke to form the vertical, then one separate continuous stroke to form the horizontal. One pen lift. Like most of us.

GOTTCHA!!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

GOTTCHA!!

The perp starts the 'f' at the top, stroking down only to the middle, stops, does a zig zag for the horizontal part, and then continues down on the last vertical stroke. That's just bizarre.

 

[Ames]

The perp starts the 'f' at the top, stroking down only to the middle, stops, does a zig zag for the horizontal part, and then continues down on the last vertical stroke. That's just bizarre.

WHOA NOW...that IS bizarre. Do you have a sample of both Patsy's and the Author of the RN....letter "f"???

Why in the world would anyone stoke down to the middle, stop, do a zig zag and then continue down on the last vertical stroke...now, that just sounds like a whole lot of extra work to me. LOL

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

WHOA NOW...that IS bizarre. Do you have a sample of both Patsy's and the Author of the RN....letter "f"???

Why in the world would anyone stoke down to the middle, stop, do a zig zag and then continue down on the last vertical stroke...now, that just sounds like a whole lot of extra work to me. LOL

Its not extra work for the perp. Its how he writes.

Its not how PR writes, though...

 

[Ames]

Its not extra work for the perp. Its how he writes.

Its not how PR writes, though...

Weird...so you have a link to a sample F of Patsy's...and one of the intruder's? I have looked on acandyrose's site, but can't seem to find it....I know that its got to be there, I am just not looking in the right place. Maybe Cherokee has it posted on FFJ...I will go there and look.

 

[Rino]

Its not extra work for the perp. Its how he writes.

Its not how PR writes, though...

So you're of the thought that PR would have written the note in her normal style if in fact she was the author and not tried to disguise her handwritting and style?

Why do bank robbers wear masks ?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Weird...so you have a link to a sample F of Patsy's...and one of the intruder's? I have looked on acandyrose's site, but can't seem to find it....I know that its got to be there, I am just not looking in the right place. Maybe Cherokee has it posted on FFJ...I will go there and look.

Superdaves post on page 8 of this thread:

http://www.acandyrose.com/02182003dh911motion.pdf

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

So you're of the thought that PR would have written the note in her normal style if in fact she was the author and not tried to disguise her handwritting and style?

Why do bank robbers wear masks ?

She was nervous, writing left handed, while disguising her handwriting. I see. OK. Yeah, if I had just murdered my own child, I would cleverly disguise my handwriting, and HANDWRITE a 2 1/2 PAGE NOTE with THREATS against my child. Durrrr.

 

[Rino]

First of all, it was not all that clevely disguised.

Second what would you do if you just murdered you own child. Susan Smith, Darlie Routier, Diane Downs, Kathleen Folbigg, Socorro Caro and Marilyn Lemak all tried various ways to cover it up.

Seems to me only if you have killed can you actually put yourself in the killers mindset.

Self preservation is the key for these woman, not a sense of guilt that would cost them their freedom, or worse, mar their images

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

First of all, it was not all that clevely disguised.

Second what would you do if you just murdered you own child. Susan Smith, Darlie Routier, Diane Downs, Kathleen Folbigg, Socorro Caro and Marilyn Lemak all tried various ways to cover it up.

Seems to me only if you have killed can you actually put yourself in the killers mindset.

Self preservation is the key for these woman, not a sense of guilt that would cost them their freedom, or worse, mar their images

Hmmmmm. Sorry but I wont speculate on what I would do. Lets just say writing the longest RN in history, when you live in the same house as the victim, doesn't seem very self-preserving. Identification of the crime as a kidnapping is an automatic invite to the FBI. Thats not self preserving.

Disguised or not, 2 1/2 pages seems beyond reason. You should probably think of the RN more as a sociopaths 'manifesto' than an RN

 

[Rino]

Hmmmmm. Sorry but I wont speculate on what I would do. Lets just say writing the longest RN in history, when you live in the same house as the victim, doesn't seem very self-preserving. Identification of the crime as a kidnapping is an automatic invite to the FBI. Thats not self preserving.

Disguised or not, 2 1/2 pages seems beyond reason. You should probably think of the RN more as a sociopaths 'manifesto' than an RN

Fair enough it was a sociopaths manifesto if you like.

But it indeed was very self preserving, she died a free woman and her husband still walks free because they fooled enough people.

In defending the Ramseys a 2 1/2 page ransom note seems beyond reason but to believe an intruder killed their daughter leaving no physical evidence, and covered it up with a phoney kidnapping all the while leaving the dead victim in the house of the people he was trying to get money from is not beyond reason? Why not simply take the body and continue the kidnapping scheme?

This intruder, after feeling free putsing around the house for a considerable length of time, using the tools in the house to convey his false intentions changed his mind and decides not to call and get his hands on the money that was demanded in the note -you feel is not beyond reason?

 

[coloradokares]

Anyone who studies the small case 'f' in the RN will notice right away that the author goes back and forth on the horizontal stroke, possibly never raising the pen from the paper while forming the 'f'. PR doesn't do this in any of her exemplars for the letter 'f'. For PR, it is one line crossing another, very neat and clean. For the RN author the horizontal stroke is a big thick mess.

Different strokes means different technique, and different techniques means different writers.

Or intentional use of different hand .

 

[Solace]

She was nervous, writing left handed, while disguising her handwriting. I see. OK. Yeah, if I had just murdered my own child, I would cleverly disguise my handwriting, and HANDWRITE a 2 1/2 PAGE NOTE with THREATS against my child. Durrrr.

If you look at the rn, the person writing it is shaking very hard, every letter is shaking on it. That person is terrified.

 

[BOESP]

The 'f' in 'foreign' and 'follow' and elsewhere in the note have a big problem that cant be explained away by nerves or left handed writing.

The stroke the RN author used to form the letter f is a stroke where the pen remained down the entire time. The author used a zig-zag in the middle to form the horizontal section. IOW, the vertical is actually two separate strokes, not one continuous stroke as it is in PR's 'f' exemplars.

Holdon, A writer trying to fake or disguise penmanship is going to take every opportunity to disguise what they think will hide their style. Finding dissimilarities would be expected.

 

[BOESP]

She was nervous, writing left handed, while disguising her handwriting. I see. OK. Yeah, if I had just murdered my own child, I would cleverly disguise my handwriting, and HANDWRITE a 2 1/2 PAGE NOTE with THREATS against my child. Durrrr.

Holdon, unless you've been there, you don't know what you'd do to save your behind. I am ambidextrous and I'm telling you, you can use either hand and they will not necessarily look like the same hand did the writing to the untrained eye. Various lines in the ransom note have different slants and and other elements not consistent with Patsy's exemplars but the overall characteristics are quite similar, in my opinion.

By the way, accidental death is not murder. I don't think it has been proved exactly what happened unless you know something we don't.

 

[BOESP]

Hmmmmm. Sorry but I wont speculate on what I would do. ....

But you will speculate on what Patsy might have done or not done?

 

[Ames]

Superdaves post on page 8 of this thread:

http://www.acandyrose.com/02182003dh911motion.pdf

Thanks...maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anywhere that it said that Patsy's f was done differently than the intruders. They looked just the same to me, when compared side by side, and I did not see the zig zag that you referred to in your post. Am I missing something?? Is this based on your own opinion...or is it written somewhere...about the zig-zag...and the authors pen remaining down the entire time??

And I didn't see this part of your post, anywhere on the samples...

"The stroke the RN author used to form the letter f is a stroke where the pen remained down the entire time. The author used a zig-zag in the middle to form the horizontal section. IOW, the vertical is actually two separate strokes, not one continuous stroke as it is in PR's 'f' exemplars"