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[Holdontoyourhat]

JMO8778,

And if you ever match the dna to anyone, you then have to demonstrate that they were in Boulder on the 25/26 of December.


What if the matched suspect says that was my day off from the underwear factory where I work, I was drinking sake and singing karaoke with my buddies that night?


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What if the matched suspect is wanted for other kidnappings and murders, crossing borders to do it, and never worked at JC Pennys? What then?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

They went both to the Army supply store and to McGuckin's. The type of cord found at the crime scene was on sale in both stores. Patsy had bought an item costing $ 2.29 at McGuckin's on Dec 2. The nylon cord sold in McGuckin's had the same price. It was a white Stansport 32-strand, 3/16 inch woven cord. Lab tests revealed that it was exactly the same type of cord used for the garrote and the ligatures.

http://www.boulderclassifieds.com/extra/ramsey/1998/03/09-1.html

"Sources said Boulder investigators only purchased the nylon cord from the Boulder Army Store, not at McGuckin Hardware."

ST really made a big deal out of $2.29, as if it was really significant. Its not, because there are likely tens or hundreds of items selling for the same price.

Even if PR bought the $2.29 cord for some innocent purpose (which was never established), doesnt mean an intruder didn't use the cord he found in the house to makeshift a garrote.

 

[Solace]

I don't think Erin Moriarty has an ounce of integrity anywhere in her body.
delete if I can't say that,thx.

You can tell that often and tell that loud. This is the USA JMO and we have freedom of speech. If we think someone has no integrity, we can say it. We are NOT calling her a murderer. We are saying she has no integrity and she doesn't. She does like being on TV though with Tracy. Like attracts like every single time.

 

[Ames]

But Holdon, how exactly does someone deposit old, degraded DNA during the course of the commission of a crime?

Fresh DNA evidence, no matter HOW tiny a sample, will be relatively complete and will contain the maximum number of identifiable DNA markers. The police could tell that the blood stain belonged to JBR and was fresh; it had been deposited during the approximate same time period as the crime.

But the 'unknown' DNA is not fresh. It has degraded. It no longer contains some of the unique markers used to determine who it belongs to.

I suppose, in theory, it's possible that the perp sneezed into a handkerchief several days before the crime, then took the handkerchief with him to the R's, pulled it out of his pocket, and rubbed it all over the size-12 underwear he'd somehow managed to find before placing it on JBR, for the sole and exclusive purpose of leaving degraded DNA evidence behind him, just to confuse the police...

...or he simply doesn't exist.

Maybe the intruder was old and degraded...and thats how he left old and degraded DNA LOL ......nahhhh, I am only kidding.

I vote for you last line...he simply doesn't exist.

 

[Ames]

JMO8778,

And if you ever match the dna to anyone, you then have to demonstrate that they were in Boulder on the 25/26 of December.


What if the matched suspect says that was my day off from the underwear factory where I work, I was drinking sake and singing karaoke with my buddies that night?


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LOL, thats funny.

 

[Ames]

rashomon,

Good leg work, maybe that sneaky intruder purchased the cord locally too?

Then there is the tape, thats dual colored, not exactly standard domestic use, does this mean the intruder is an electrician, or a pageant manager?


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I am still trying to figure out HOW this intruder climbed through a tiny window...and dropped to the floor...carrying the rope that he locally purchase, the tape and a flashlight that he would have HAD to have with him, to be able to see when he left out of that tiny window, in the dark...and into the night.

 

[UKGuy]

What if the matched suspect is wanted for other kidnappings and murders, crossing borders to do it, and never worked at JC Pennys? What then?

Holdontoyourhat,

There is nothing to exclude the possibility that a psychopathic sexual predator who is employed in an underwear suppliers, his panty fetish draws him there, and who is wanted for other murders and kidnappings, but was never in Boulder at the time of JonBenet's death?

So not only must the dna have a match, but the match must have been in Boulder at the time of JonBenet's death!



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[Solace]

I am still trying to figure out HOW this intruder climbed through a tiny window...and dropped to the floor...carrying the rope that he locally purchase, the tape and a flashlight that he would have HAD to have with him, to be able to see when he left out of that tiny window, in the dark...and into the night.

AMES,

The only reason I can come to for IDI theorists is that they just can't believe that parents LIKE the Ramseys (meaning educated, money) would do this. They are excellent in their interviews.

But the fact is all the evidence points to them. Even today when I think about the staging, it is just unbelievable to me that a parent would do this to their child. Patsy has a very strong personality and she was not the least bit intimidated by Detective Haney. Not at all. She is a religious woman. Did she convince herself that it was an accident and therefor she is not to blame. But then if she does that, why the high profile. She is lying every time she goes on television. Now how does she convince herself that is okay. I will never ever understand it.

 

[rashomon]

http://www.boulderclassifieds.com/extra/ramsey/1998/03/09-1.html

"Sources said Boulder investigators only purchased the nylon cord from the Boulder Army Store, not at McGuckin Hardware."

Holontoyourhat, would you name your source for this statement?

My source was Steve Thomas book. He says that he bought identical cord from the two stores.
The cord could be matched to the ligature. If ST had put false info about lab tests in his book, you bet the CBI lab directors would have protested openly. The same goes for the fibers found on the duct tape, which matched Patsy's jacket.

ST really made a big deal out of $2.29, as if it was really significant. Its not, because there are likely tens or hundreds of items selling for the same price.

Patsy bought an item for $2.29 at McGuckins on Dec 2. The $2.29 nylon cord bought by S.Thomas at the same store matched the ligature. Pretty significant imo.

Even if PR bought the $2.29 cord for some innocent purpose (which was never established), doesnt mean an intruder didn't use the cord he found in the house to makeshift a garrote.

I do think she bought it for some innocent purpose. This was no planned murder imo.

Holdontoyourhat - which kidnappers would come to the house so totally unprepared like the "Small Foreign Faction"? They didn't bother to write a ransom note beforehand, no, they sat down at the Ramsey kitchen table to write it. Which kidnappers would not bring their own ligatures with them? How could the SFF expect to find suitable rope in such a huge house? They could not very well rummage through the Ramsey house with the whole family present at home. It doesn't mesh.
And into the bargain, not only was the SFF unable to remove the kidnapping victim from her home, they didn't even have the brains to then take their ransom note with them - no, they left it in the home.

Everything in this case points to the Ramseys' involvemet in JonBenet's death. jmo

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Holontoyourhat, would you name your source for this statement?

My source was Steve Thomas book. He says that he bought identical cord from the two stores.
The cord could be matched to the ligature. If ST had put false info about lab tests in his book, you bet the CBI lab directors would have protested openly. The same goes for the fibers found on the duct tape, which matched Patsy's jacket.

Patsy bought an item for $2.29 at McGuckins on Dec 2. The $2.29 nylon cord bought by S.Thomas at the same store matched the ligature. Pretty significant imo.

I do think she bought it for some innocent purpose. This was no planned murder imo.

Holdontoyourhat - which kidnappers would come to the house so totally unprepared like the "Small Foreign Faction"? They didn't bother to write a ransom note beforehand, no, they sat down at the Ramsey kitchen table to write it. Which kidnappers would not bring their own ligatures with them? How could the SFF expect to find suitable rope in such a huge house? They could not very well rummage through the Ramsey house with the whole family present at home. It doesn't mesh.
And into the bargain, not only was the SFF unable to remove the kidnapping victim from her home, they didn't even have the brains to then take their ransom note with them - no, they left it in the home.

Everything in this case points to the Ramseys' involvemet in JonBenet's death. jmo

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that an intruder who brings nothing in and takes nothing out, using everything from the house, reduces his chances of being linked to the crime.

IMO, the intruder probably brought in the cord and tape though, since nobody has found either the unused rolls or found any other legitimate use for either item in the house.

The $2.29 item on the receipt could be anything.

 

[Solace]

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that an intruder who brings nothing in and takes nothing out, using everything from the house, reduces his chances of being linked to the crime.

IMO, the intruder probably brought in the cord and tape though, since nobody has found either the unused rolls or found any other legitimate use for either item in the house.

The $2.29 item on the receipt could be anything.

A serious question. Why is there nothng, no fiber evidence, nothing on JonBenet that leads us to believe there was an intruder. Lets not talk about the DNA right now. Let it go for a sec. Why is there no fiber evidence from an intruder at all. No hairs, no skin, no semen, nothing.

I am very interested in your reply.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

A serious question. Why is there nothng, no fiber evidence, nothing on JonBenet that leads us to believe there was an intruder. Lets not talk about the DNA right now. Let it go for a sec. Why is there no fiber evidence from an intruder at all. No hairs, no skin, no semen, nothing.

I am very interested in your reply.

No fiber evidence: That's your opinion, based on what you want to read. I read that there are unidentified black fibers.

No hairs: None left or none found. Either is possible.

No skin: None left or none found. Either is possible.

No semen: None left. Without knowing the true motive of the killer, and without an obvious sign of rape, no semen seems more probable than not. The RN complicates the stereotypical sexual assault on a child scenario somewhat.

Nothing? Handwriting is something. DNA is probably the hardest thing to not leave behind, and sure enough they have some.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Why is there nothng, no fiber evidence, nothing on JonBenet that leads us to believe there was an intruder.

The RN and the MO leads us to believe it was an intruder

 

[Solace]

No fiber evidence: That's your opinion, based on what you want to read. I read that there are unidentified black fibers.

No hairs: None left or none found. Either is possible.

No skin: None left or none found. Either is possible.

No semen: None left. Without knowing the true motive of the killer, and without an obvious sign of rape, no semen seems more probable than not. The RN complicates the stereotypical sexual assault on a child scenario somewhat.

Nothing? Handwriting is something. DNA is probably the hardest thing to not leave behind, and sure enough they have some.

Okay, where are there unidentified black fibers? Are you talking about the fibers found in her underwear?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/01/48hours/main523884.shtml

 

[Solace]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/01/48hours/main523884.shtml

Hold on, I have seen that article.

Can you tell me what black fibers you are talking about and your source please.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Hold on, I have seen that article.

Can you tell me what black fibers you are talking about and your source please.

"unidentified dark fibers"
http://www.denver-rmn.com/extra/ramsey/0917rams1.html

 

[Ames]

AMES,

The only reason I can come to for IDI theorists is that they just can't believe that parents LIKE the Ramseys (meaning educated, money) would do this. They are excellent in their interviews.

But the fact is all the evidence points to them. Even today when I think about the staging, it is just unbelievable to me that a parent would do this to their child. Patsy has a very strong personality and she was not the least bit intimidated by Detective Haney. Not at all. She is a religious woman. Did she convince herself that it was an accident and therefor she is not to blame. But then if she does that, why the high profile. She is lying every time she goes on television. Now how does she convince herself that is okay. I will never ever understand it.

I believe thats exactly what she did, convinced herself that it was an accident. I DO believe that a person, to mentally escape something traumatic, can convince themselves that it really didn't happen. This is weird, but, when my mom died....in order for me to get to sleep at night, I had convinced myself, that my mom was safe and sound...asleep in her own home. I had to do this to remain "sane"....yes, I know it sounds "insane".....but, its just something that I had to do. And my husband was really worried about me. I finally got over that, but it was something that I HAD to do to COPE. I believe that Patsy convinced herself that JB's death WAS an accident. I am trying to research this, (people convincing themselves of something that isn't true), but don't know exactly how to word it in the search engine.

 

[Ames]

Holontoyourhat, would you name your source for this statement?

My source was Steve Thomas book. He says that he bought identical cord from the two stores.
The cord could be matched to the ligature. If ST had put false info about lab tests in his book, you bet the CBI lab directors would have protested openly. The same goes for the fibers found on the duct tape, which matched Patsy's jacket.

Patsy bought an item for $2.29 at McGuckins on Dec 2. The $2.29 nylon cord bought by S.Thomas at the same store matched the ligature. Pretty significant imo.

I do think she bought it for some innocent purpose. This was no planned murder imo.

Holdontoyourhat - which kidnappers would come to the house so totally unprepared like the "Small Foreign Faction"? They didn't bother to write a ransom note beforehand, no, they sat down at the Ramsey kitchen table to write it. Which kidnappers would not bring their own ligatures with them? How could the SFF expect to find suitable rope in such a huge house? They could not very well rummage through the Ramsey house with the whole family present at home. It doesn't mesh.
And into the bargain, not only was the SFF unable to remove the kidnapping victim from her home, they didn't even have the brains to then take their ransom note with them - no, they left it in the home.

Everything in this case points to the Ramseys' involvemet in JonBenet's death. jmo

Excellent post...very well said.

 

[Ames]

"unidentified dark fibers"
http://www.denver-rmn.com/extra/ramsey/0917rams1.html

I believe that this article was written, before JR's shirt that he had worn that night, had a chance to be tested...because they took over a year, to turn the clothing over, that they had worn that night. Those dark fibers were linked to the shirt he was wearing....he most likely used it to wipe her down with. As of this article....apparently, nobody's clothing had been tested.



"Numerous" traces of a dark fiber were found at autopsy near the victim's vaginal area, according to her autopsy report. Authorities have attempted to trace the bluish-fiber to material on clothing worn by people who were in the Ramsey home Christmas Day and night.



September 17, 1998