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[Holdontoyourhat]

Those dark fibers were linked to the shirt he was wearing....

Source, please? Linked by whom? BTW, fibers aren't like DNA, they can be linked to multiple things.

 

[DeeDee249]

Just because the investigators only went to the Army Surplus doesn't mean the R's only went there. There are actual receipts showing a purchase made at the hardware store by PR a few days before the murder listing items selling for the exact amount and from the exact department as the cord and tape. If it walks like a duck ...etc.

As far as the reason for the purchase, as I stated on another thread, this was not a premeditated murder. Those items were bought for innocent reasons, probably for PR to use for transportation of her artwork. The killer did not bring them into the home, but found right where they were usually kept- in PR's paint tote.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Just because the investigators only went to the Army Surplus doesn't mean the R's only went there. There are actual receipts showing a purchase made at the hardware store by PR a few days before the murder listing items selling for the exact amount and from the exact department as the cord and tape. If it walks like a duck ...etc.

Since the receipts don't specify the item description, then I doubt it specifies the department either. Do you have a source, or is this just a claim?

As far as the reason for the purchase, as I stated on another thread, this was not a premeditated murder. Those items were bought for innocent reasons, probably for PR to use for transportation of her artwork. The killer did not bring them into the home, but found right where they were usually kept- in PR's paint tote.

Did JR, PR, or somebody say they used the same tape and cord for the artwork? I mean they could've just said they bought the items at the hardware store and the intruder just used them.

Where did this transportation of artwork idea come from, was it just made up?

 

[DeeDee249]

No, I didn't make it up. I had read that PR sometimes took her artwork with her and rolled up the canvas/watercolor sheets and made a sling out of the tape and cord. And I also read that the tape from the hardware store showed price AND department. Actually, the hardware store, when questioned, stated that at that time, an older system was in use and ONLY the price and department showed up. Their newer system showed the item as well. This is believable because there are many stores I shop in that show all the info, but the one I work in prints only the price and department.
I am not as computer savvy as a lot of posters here, so I don't cut/paste or copy links. But I do remember what I read, usually very well. I've read a lot of the available books, as well as most of acandyrose and this site. I did my homework for more than a year before joining, so I don't always remember where I read something.
But I do not make things up.
When people with differing opinions post on a board, it's natural to disagree. It doesn't mean a comment is made up just because it can't be sourced.

 

[Ames]

No, I didn't make it up. I had read that PR sometimes took her artwork with her and rolled up the canvas/watercolor sheets and made a sling out of the tape and cord. And I also read that the tape from the hardware store showed price AND department. I am not as computer savvy as a lot of posters here, so I don't cut/paste or copy links. But I do remember what I read, usually very well. I've read a lot of the available books, as well as most of acandyrose and this site. I did my homework for more than a year before joining, so I don't always remember where I read something.
But I do not make things up.
When people with differing opinions post on a board, it's natural to disagree. It doesn't mean a comment is made up just because it can't be sourced.

Exactly...and I TOO have done my homework, and I have read these things that you have...about the sling for her paintings...and that the receipt had the department and the price listed, but not the item. I used to work at a store back in 1990, that did that...it listed the price and dept. but not the item. There were not that many stores with scanners back then, and so I doubt that a local hardware store would have had one....the ones that scan...(like Wal-mart does, for example) are the only ones that actually prints the item name on the receipt. The older types...without the scanner...only have a register, with just keys to punch for the prices, and keys to punch for the dept. But, with only a register, there would be NO WAY that you could list every single item in a store ON the register keys, there is simply not enough room.

 

[DeeDee249]

I didn't realize it was the scanner that made the difference! Now that I think about it, you're right. My little volunteer gift shop has an old-style register that prints a tape- you have to hit the keys for the price and department. We can't afford a scanner!

 

[Solace]

Source, please? Linked by whom? BTW, fibers aren't like DNA, they can be linked to multiple things.

Holdon,

The fibers you speak of are from John's sweater. The sweater came from Israel. He is asked about these fibers and how they got there by attorney Levin in a one of the depositions. I will have to find it for you and post it. Rash, if you are around, this is your thing. I had a feeling you were referring to this Holdon. They are fibers from John's sweater.

And SB, you reply was spot on. I love the fact that you sourced the pubic hair.

 

[rashomon]

how do you think the AG doll figures in,if at all?I've heard some speculate the tape could have came from that,and it's odd one was sent to JR's office right after the murder.
Someone said earlier LHP saw the cord in the basement a few days earlier,my guess is it was with the tote bucket and paint supplies,to be used for a painting.

What exactly was sent to John's office? By whom?

And does anyone know the source for LHP's statemement that she saw the cord in the Ramsey basement a few days earlier?

 

[rashomon]

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that an intruder who brings nothing in and takes nothing out, using everything from the house, reduces his chances of being linked to the crime.

But in your equation, you left out the immense risk kidnappers would take in such a situation:
- The risk of getting caught while writing the ransom note in the victim's home.
- The risk of not finding the other items needed fast enough.
- The risk of getting caught while molesting and garroting the victim (the molesting and a garroting scenario contradicts a kidnapping anyway).

And if the intruder was so concerned about reducing his chances of being linked to the crime, then surely he would have taken his ransom note with him - after all, he would have left "his" handwriting behind there ...

Jmpo, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion that neither a Small Foreign Faction nor a sexual predator was responsible for JonBenet's death.

 

[Ames]

I didn't realize it was the scanner that made the difference! Now that I think about it, you're right. My little volunteer gift shop has an old-style register that prints a tape- you have to hit the keys for the price and department. We can't afford a scanner!

LOL...yeah, just imagine how big a cash register would have to be in order to have a key for every single item. Now THAT would be ONE large cash register.

 

[Solace]

Since the receipts don't specify the item description, then I doubt it specifies the department either. Do you have a source, or is this just a claim?



Did JR, PR, or somebody say they used the same tape and cord for the artwork? I mean they could've just said they bought the items at the hardware store and the intruder just used them.

Where did this transportation of artwork idea come from, was it just made up?

Holdon,

What mystifies me is the fact that most IDI theorists have not completely read up on the Ramsey case;otherwise, post such as Dee's regarding the tape and cord would have been answered already for you. I too have read this. It is in both books on the case. Also, the fact that you quote Austin and Grey re the dna leads me to believe you are not fully informed on all the facts. I am not making it up. The scientists comes out and says it is not a definite.

This is not to say you are wrong in your opinion. I believe you are, but there is that very slim scintilla of a chance you are right. But at the very least why are you arguing with things that are proven. I just don't understand that. It does not make your case any more convincing.

 

[Ames]

Holdon,

The fibers you speak of are from John's sweater. The sweater came from Israel. He is asked about these fibers and how they got there by attorney Levin in a one of the depositions. I will have to find it for you and post it. Rash, if you are around, this is your thing. I had a feeling you were referring to this Holdon. They are fibers from John's sweater.

And SB, you reply was spot on. I love the fact that you sourced the pubic hair.

I am not Rash...but....I found it....

From John Ramsey's 2000 interview....

21 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mr. Ramsey, it is
22 our belief based on forensic evidence that
23 there are hairs that are associated, that the
24 source is the collared black shirt that you
25 sent us that are found in your daughter's
0058
1 underpants, and I wondered if you --
2 A. . I don't believe that.
3 I don't buy it. If you are trying to
4 disgrace my relationship with my daughter --
5 Q. Mr. Ramsey, I am not trying to
6 disgrace --
7 A. Well, I don't believe it. I
8 think you are. That's disgusting.


<SNIPPED for length)


6 MR. LEVIN: Let's move on to
7 another topic.
8 THE WITNESS: If the question is
9 how did fibers of your shirt get into your
10 daughter's underwear, I say that is not
11 possible. I don't believe it. That is
12 ridiculous.

 

[Ames]

Holdon,

What mystifies me is the fact that most IDI theorists have not completely read up on the Ramsey case;otherwise, post such as Dee's regarding the tape and cord would have been answered already for you. I too have read this. It is in both books on the case. Also, the fact that you quote Austin and Grey re the dna leads me to believe you are not fully informed on all the facts. I am not making it up. The scientists comes out and says it is not a definite.

This is not to say you are wrong in your opinion. I believe you are, but there is that very slim scintilla of a chance you are right. But at the very least why are you arguing with things that are proven. I just don't understand that. It does not make your case any more convincing.

This is SOOO true....all Holdon had to do is read John's 2000 interview...to find out about the fibers. Are RDI's the only people that read the facts of this case...and the interviews??? It's amazing how much you can learn from something that comes from the Ramsey's own mouth....Holdon..you should try researching the facts...you might accidently learn the truth.

 

[rashomon]

Source, please? Linked by whom? BTW, fibers aren't like DNA, they can be linked to multiple things.

Two types of fibers were found in JonBenet's genital area:

1) Navy-blue cotton fibers consistent with a washcloth, towel or bathrobe werefound in her vaginal area.
In all probabilty, JB was wiped with an item consisting of these fibers.

2) Black wool fibers consistent with the shirt John Ramsey had been wearing to the Whites' party were found in the crotch area of her underwear.

(Source: Bonita Papers and interview (2000) with John Ramsey).

 

[Ames]

But in your equation, you left out the immense risk kidnappers would take in such a situation:
- The risk of getting caught while writing the ransom note in the victim's home.
- The risk of not finding the other items needed fast enough.
- The risk of getting caught while molesting and garroting the victim (the molesting and a garroting scenario contradicts a kidnapping anyway).

And if the intruder was so concerned about reducing his chances of being linked to the crime, then surely he would have taken his ransom note with him - after all, he would have left "his" handwriting behind there ...

Jmpo, but you don't have to be a rocket scienetist to come to the conclusion that neither a Small Foreign Faction nor a sexual predator was responsible for JonBenet's death.

Amen...tell it like it is!!!

 

[Ames]

Two types of fibers were found in JonBenet's genital area:
1) Navy-blue cotton fibers consistent with a washcloth, towel or bathrobe.
In all probabilty, JB was wiped with an item consisting of these fibers.

2) Black wool fibers consistent with the shirt John Ramsey had been wearing to the Whites' party.

(Source: Bonita Papers and interview with John Ramsey).

And JR's BLUE bathrobe was found on the floor, Patsy says that he was probably about to put it on when she screamed for him, and he dropped it....problem with THAT is...it was found in the wrong part of the house...not the bedroom or bathroom...where John would have accidently dropped it, if that had of been the case.

 

[Solace]

And JR's BLUE bathrobe was found on the floor, Patsy says that he was probably about to put it on when she screamed for him, and he dropped it....problem with THAT is...it was found in the wrong part of the house...not the bedroom or bathroom...where John would have accidently dropped it, if that had of been the case.

Yes, it was found in the den? Where is the den? on the bottom floor or next to their bedroom. Don't tell me it is on the bottom floor and Patsy got away with saying he was probably about to put it on. I can't take that AMES.

 

[Ames]

Yes, it was found in the den? Where is the den? on the bottom floor or next to their bedroom. Don't tell me it is on the bottom floor and Patsy got away with saying he was probably about to put it on. I can't take that AMES.

LOL...I read where it was the den too....but, in this portion of Patsy's 1998 interview...she says John's study. I believe that there must have been two robes on the foor, I believe that John is asked about one, too...I will keep digging...this is all that I could find so far. Of course, this portion, Patsy says it looks more like a sweater...so, I will keep looking for the definate picture of the bathrobe.

1 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you know what this
2 is? It's hard to see, in the back lower corner?
3 Does that look like his bathrobe?
4 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. Looks
5 like a sweater or something.
6 TRIP DeMUTH: Would it be unusual
7 for John to put his bathrobe down on the floor
8 in that area?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. Because he
10 usually hangs it up in his bathroom. Unless,
11 you know, he was starting to put it on when I
12 screamed for him and he dropped it or something

 

[Solace]

LOL...I read where it was the den too....but, in this portion of Patsy's 1998 interview...she says John's study. I believe that there must have been two robes on the foor, I believe that John is asked about one, too...I will keep digging...this is all that I could find so far. Of course, this portion, Patsy says it looks more like a sweater...so, I will keep looking for the definate picture of the bathrobe.

1 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you know what this
2 is? It's hard to see, in the back lower corner?
3 Does that look like his bathrobe?
4 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. Looks
5 like a sweater or something.
6 TRIP DeMUTH: Would it be unusual
7 for John to put his bathrobe down on the floor
8 in that area?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. Because he
10 usually hangs it up in his bathroom. Unless,
11 you know, he was starting to put it on when I
12 screamed for him and he dropped it or something

You are just good AMES.

 

[Ames]

I was searching through JR's interview..and trying to find the part about the robe...he is shown a picture of a robe too, and I found this.

7 MIKE KANE: I'm not really clear (INAUDIBLE)
8 you said that they were tied tight. But were her
9 hands tied closely together or were they wide
10 apart?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: No, it was like that.
12 MIKE KANE: There were crossed like that.
13 JOHN RAMSEY: I remember, yeah, her hands
14 were close together.

The ME said that her wrists were tied apart...with something like 15 inches of cord between them. And if you look at the pictures of the cord, you can see the loops were her wrists were, and just how much cord there is between each loop.