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[JMO8778]

Right- she looks "perfect" compared to the poor battered, strangled corpse, stiff with rigor mortis, discolored with the awful purple-red "blush" of livor mortis, urine-stained, matted hair, blue lips...in other words, compared to the way they left her all alone in the house that night.
Those "perfect" looks were all-important to PR. So once she had that "perfect" JBR again- right down to the frilly pink pageant dress and tiara (her eternal beauty queen) - it was okey-dokey. As BR put it (just DAYS after the death of his sister) "just trying to get on with my life".

right,she may have looked like that right afterwards,but as long as she was fixed back to being pretty again,Patsy was happy.

 

[Ames]

right,she may have looked like that right afterwards,but as long as she was fixed back to being pretty again,Patsy was happy.

And IMO...that is ONE of the reasons that the outside dumping was nixed.

 

[JMO8778]

Yep, I think so too...and IF they had of dicarded her outside like trash..(which I believe was PLAN A..and then they reconsidered).....and IF it had of taken awhile to find her....then Patsy most definately would NOT have been able to say...."she looks perfect, doesn't she?" It most likely would have been a closed casket....because the elements...and no telling what else...would have gotten to the body.

I have to wonder if JR had planned to take her out,and then 'find' her at the drop off point for the money...that way,she would have been 'found' outside the house,but not be out in the elements for long..just long enough for JR to call LE and say that this was the drop-off point for the ransom,but...the SFF had already killed her..and there she is.(excuse being perhaps b/c it was found out they had contacted someone(s)?).
Remember that he was trying to set up former AG employees,so it wasn't really about money anyway,it was to appear a revenge killing,so the KN dropping off JB at the ransom money pickup point for revenge,instead of picking up the money,could have been how JR wanted it to appear.
I suspect the $118,000 was inserted by JR just to point to them as killing JB over being ex-disgruntled employees,and that amt had some connection to it.

 

[JMO8778]

And IMO...that is ONE of the reasons that the outside dumping was nixed.

see my post above,bc I think that was his plan,only he was afraid to be the one to 'find' her...he wanted LE to,as that would be more believable,but..they didn't find her upon searching the house,so he had to.

 

[DeeDee249]

That is certainly a possibility. Let's face it, the situation was becoming more and more cumbersome and out of control. That MAY have been the plan. And it may have added credence (at least on the surface) to the IDI theory. But it didn't happen. A child found dead in her own home is usually the victim of death caused (accidentally or not) by someone living in the home.

I also think the Rs could not bear to see her after being exposed to the elements, she looked bad enough after 12 hours in the basement. Just like they distanced themselves from the pineapple, the spoon, the glass/teabag, the kleenex box and everything else, they also wanted to distance themselves from the body of their daughter. JR could barely touch her as he carried her up from the basement. PR couldn't bring herself to even go in the room where she was placed. And they left their home that night (for good) with their daughter's corpse laying under their Christmas Tree as if they were leaving a pile of discarded trash.

 

[BOESP]

And even FEWER that lived in the Ramsey household....that just about narrows it down for me.....how 'bout you?

Ames, you must be a mind-reader. :blowkiss:

 

[JMO8778]

That is certainly a possibility. Let's face it, the situation was becoming more and more cumbersome and out of control. That MAY have been the plan. And it may have added credence (at least on the surface) to the IDI theory. But it didn't happen. A child found dead in her own home is usually the victim of death caused (accidentally or not) by someone living in the home.

I also think the Rs could not bear to see her after being exposed to the elements, she looked bad enough after 12 hours in the basement. Just like they distanced themselves from the pineapple, the spoon, the glass/teabag, the kleenex box and everything else, they also wanted to distance themselves from the body of their daughter. JR could barely touch her as he carried her up from the basement. PR couldn't bring herself to even go in the room where she was placed. And they left their home that night (for good) with their daughter's corpse laying under their Christmas Tree as if they were leaving a pile of discarded trash.

right,and I think the R's have been underestimated;they killed her,they left her laying there alone,they tried to flee the state,they did not accompany her to the morgue,and they even thought about leaving the country..
When it comes down to it,going to prison or possibly even getting the death penalty vs leaving her outside wasn't impossible to them.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

right,and I think the R's have been underestimated;they killed her,they left her laying there alone,they tried to flee the state,they did not accompany her to the morgue,and they even thought about leaving the country..
When it comes down to it,going to prison or possibly even getting the death penalty vs leaving her outside wasn't impossible to them.

Hanging out at the morgue would be appropriate? What about the unknown assailant who came into the house while they slept and murdered their daughter?

'Fleeing the state' is your characterization of events, and 'fleeing' implies fleeing LE. Obviously this fails to take into consideration the fact that the killer was still on the loose, in their eyes. Of course they left and never returned to the house. That seems obvious to me. To stay in Boulder, at the same house, or with friends, with a killer on the loose seems stupid.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdon,
I really do enjoy your posts. Without them this would simply be a Ramsey-bashing forum. I think there are more IDI's out there in the "real world" than this forum would lead you to believe.........

Thank you, and may your real world be a great one.

IDI should demand equal time, huh.

 

[sister]

Thank you, and may your real world be a great one.

IDI should demand equal time, huh.

You're welcome! Keep the posts coming......

 

[Albert18]

Since there are some IDI's here, I have a question about something that has always bothered me.

Why are IDI's so calloused towards JonBenet?

 

[capps]

I hate to say this...but wouldn't that be great!?!?! And then we could all have closure...and all of us RDI's can say to the IDI's....:razz: Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.....we told you so.

What a statement ...yea, that's what this discussion board is all about.

 

[capps]

Originally posted by Ames:

"What you usually will find, with most IDI's...is that they have never even read the transcripts."

Really? Do you have statistics for that?

 

[Ames]

Ames, you must be a mind-reader. :blowkiss:

LOL....I AM!!! Great minds think alike...right?

 

[Ames]

Originally posted by Ames:

"What you usually will find, with most IDI's...is that they have never even read the transcripts."

Really? Do you have statistics for that?

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Sorry...but its true. If you don't fall into that category, then I am not talking about you. I have found that most IDI's have NOT read the transcripts, and therefore don't know alot about the case. I know this because I...on numerous occasions have had to post part of the interview...as part of my PROOF that the Ramsey's said so and so. If the IDI had read the transcript in the first place, then I wouldn't have to do that. I feel like I have to do their research for them....and that is not fair.

And no...to answer your question...I do not have statistics...nor do I have a link.

 

[JMO8778]

Hanging out at the morgue would be appropriate?

any caring parent would escort their dd's body to the morgue...it's like putting flowers on someone's grave..it's the last and only thing you can do for them.it's a sign of caring and respect.the R's distanced themselves from that(out of guilt),even though JR himself left the F's house that night.

What about the unknown assailant who came into the house while they slept and murdered their daughter?

what about the known one(s) who did?just bc they didn't got to prison doesn't mean they aren't guilty.

'Fleeing the state' is your characterization of events, and 'fleeing' implies fleeing LE. Obviously this fails to take into consideration the fact that the killer was still on the loose, in their eyes. Of course they left and never returned to the house. That seems obvious to me. To stay in Boulder, at the same house, or with friends, with a killer on the loose seems stupid.

yea.that's exactly what JR was trying to do..flee the state b/f that autopsy was done.and if they were sooo afraid of a killer...why let BR go without police escort to the White's,even though the 'SFF' had his sister and was threatening to behead her???
And then we have Susan Stine...who drove BR and her son to school,unescorted as well.shouldn't she have been afraid? seems she knew better.
Susan the 'pitbull' vs small foreign faction=she'd lose.
the R's did return to Boulder,seems they weren't afraid though.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

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Sorry...but its true. If you don't fall into that category, then I am not talking about you. I have found that most IDI's have NOT read the transcripts, and therefore don't know alot about the case. I know this because I...on numerous occasions have had to post part of the interview...as part of my PROOF that the Ramsey's said so and so. If the IDI had read the transcript in the first place, then I wouldn't have to do that. I feel like I have to do their research for them....and that is not fair.

And no...to answer your question...I do not have statistics...nor do I have a link.

I read parts of some transcripts, like the part where PR says "You're on the wrong path, buddy"

 

[Ames]

I read parts of some transcripts, like the part where PR says "You're on the wrong path, buddy"

HOTYH....

I have been meaning to tell you this for a long time, now..and thought that now would be as good of an opportunity as any. I just want to say first of all...that when I am talking about MOST IDI's...I am NOT talking about you. I post on several different boards....and some have more IDI's than others, that I have to find a link for...or post part of the Ramsey's interviews to prove my point. YOU on the other hand....I have not had to do this for...and I wanted to let you know that you are the most polite IDI that I have ever ran into, on any board.

 

[Ames]

What a statement ...yea, that's what this discussion board is all about.

Yes, I was being sarcastic.....I agree with you.

 

[Ames]

any caring parent would escort their dd's body to the morgue...it's like putting flowers on someone's grave..it's the last and only thing you can do for them.it's a sign of caring and respect.the R's distanced themselves from that(out of guilt),even though JR himself left the F's house that night.

Exactly! I couldn't imagine anybody just leaving their daughter's dead body under the Christmas tree...and then making a beeline to the car to just leave her there.



what about the known one(s) who did?just bc they didn't got to prison doesn't mean they aren't guilty.




yea.that's exactly what JR was trying to do..flee the state b/f that autopsy was done.and if they were sooo afraid of a killer...why let BR go without police escort to the White's,even though the 'SFF' had his sister and was threatening to behead her???
And then we have Susan Stine...who drove BR and her son to school,unescorted as well.shouldn't she have been afraid? seems she knew better.
Susan the 'pitbull' vs small foreign faction=she'd lose.
the R's did return to Boulder,seems they weren't afraid though.


I believe that his intentions were to flee the state and then the country.

My responses are in red.