If Misty were to lead LE to Haleigh....

[tlcya]

I don't anticipate any problems with my kids (but then who among us really does) but I have told my older one and will tell my youngers as they get older that they are to lawyer up immediately and a minor only answer questions with parent if not yet adults and not to agree to LDTs unless adviced by counsel and in full agreement ahead of time as to the exact question to be posed.

I know it may seem incongrous that we here so interested in crime and justice would advice our children thus, but as crime conousuers as it were, we of all people know how sometimes the wrong folks are sent upriver without the proverbial paddle. Thankfully, I don't think it happens all the time, but it does indeed happen.

I always have that in the back of my mind when I am on here screaming for justice.

OOPs sorry back on topic (sheepish grin)

 

[suspicious1]

I don't think LDT proves anything. People who are very guilty have passed them. People who were innocent have failed them miserably.

I think that LE already knows what evidence they have lines up with Misty being the main perpetrator and that is why they asked Misty directly recently to lead them to the body before she was sentenced.

If they needed Misty they would have offered her a plea deal to testify. They offered her nothing because imo they aren't going to offer a deal to the one they feel is involved in Haleigh's disappearance and homicide.

IMO

the LDTs mean nothing to me. I Personally have known several people who have passed questions on LDTs who were lying (they had to take them for public service jobs and lied about the drug portions thereof)

Also, the test of people like Misty (uneducated, unsophisticated, street savy sorts who are used to doing whatever is necessary to look out for #1) are often deemed deceptive and their answer come across as "undetermined" on many questions.

So to me all of Misty's (or anyone else involved in this case for that matter) LDT results are not credible to me one way or the other. Just MOO

BBM

I've heard people say this time and time again but in the same breath will talk about how much Misty LIES...the reason that we know for a fact that Misty is lying...comes from the many LDT/LVA tests that she FAILED....So IMO, those results are being factored into your opinion of how Misty LIES. So IMO, they do matter...even if only to help formulate your opinion of Misty. They matter.

JMO of course

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM

I've heard people say this time and time again but in the same breath will talk about how much Misty LIES...the reason that we know for a fact that Misty is lying...comes from the many LDT/LVA tests that she FAILED....So IMO, those results are being factored into your opinion of how Misty LIES. So IMO, they do matter...even if only to help formulate your opinion of Misty. They matter.

JMO of course

I don't even keep up with the failure of LDT. I have kept up with the many various stories she has told. It happened this way.....no it happened this way...no it happened this way and on and on. It is obvious imo Misty lies but then I think all Croslins have the same problem.

 

[tlcya]

BBM

I've heard people say this time and time again but in the same breath will talk about how much Misty LIES...the reason that we know for a fact that Misty is lying...comes from the many LDT/LVA tests that she FAILED....So IMO, those results are being factored into your opinion of how Misty LIES. So IMO, they do matter...even if only to help formulate your opinion of Misty. They matter.

JMO of course

and welcome to it friend

MOO about Misty's lies is based nowhere in the however many LDTs she has taken but in the fact that she has told . . .

hold on - I am trying to count back. Don't want to miss any.

Oh forget it. . . . multiple stories. There is only one truth about what happened that night. Not multiple truths. That is why anything that comes from her mouth, during LDT or at any other time, I will not give credence to without independant cooraberation.

 

[suspicious1]

IMO, if you have heard about or read the test results...how could those results not factor in as to how much Misty lies?

I mean, let's be real here....IMO, Misty is a LIAR...we've seen the videos, interviews, jailhouse recordings...we've heard stories from her own mouth....and those test results are thrown somewhere in that pile...If you want me to believe that the opinions were based solely on what has been said out of Misty's mouth as lies.....well, were you ever listening to Ron Cummings? He's told many lies, too.....out of his own mouth....are his lies justified but Misty's is not? Maybe because we don't know the results of his LDT test and Misty has failed many?

JMO of course

 

[tlcya]

I guess in all these months I haven't made my position clear.

I think all these people (Ron included) are liars, criminal, drug addict, neglectful parents, I can go on.

I am not cutting Ron any slack. I just don't think he was there and am not buying the conspiracy theory that he did "something" to Haleigh before work.

Thats just mine, yours is yours.

 

[Chablis]

Thank you for the correction. When a case lingers as long as this one it is hard for me to remember the dates sometimes.

When did Shoemaker become Ron's lawyer?

Shoemaker said his client’s prison time was shortened after he agreed to testify against ex wife, Misty Croslin, in her drug case (she plead no contest, so he never had to), and help investigators solve the presumed murder of his missing daughter, five year old Haleigh Cummings.

“From the moment I came on board, we’ve been open to speaking with investigators regarding Haleigh’s case,” Shoemaker tells me, “we’ve met with them numerous times. Ronald has talked about the phone calls he made that night, the time lines, his relationship with everyone involved…who he thinks is involved. He’s told them everything they’ve wanted to know.”

http://www.artharris.com/2010/09/24...arris-on-jane-velez-mitchell-nancy-grace-fri/

I am not really sure, I want to say August, but I know their divorce was final October 12, and Beardsly handled that. Did he have 3 lawyers at one time? I think so if Shoemaker appears in August, it gets confusing!

 

[dodie20]

IMO, if you have heard about or read the test results...how could those results not factor in as to how much Misty lies?

I mean, let's be real here....IMO, Misty is a LIAR...we've seen the videos, interviews, jailhouse recordings...we've heard stories from her own mouth....and those test results are thrown somewhere in that pile...If you want me to believe that the opinions were based solely on what has been said out of Misty's mouth as lies.....well, were you ever listening to Ron Cummings? He's told many lies, too.....out of his own mouth....are his lies justified but Misty's is not? Maybe because we don't know the results of his LDT test and Misty has failed many?

JMO of course

I agree. The test results are the main reason I don't give her more benefit of the doubt. As far as actual lies, it's MOO, that most of her early story changing was due to her saying what Ron wanted her to say... like whether she was asleep or awake when he got home, who picked up Haleigh from the bus. because face it...her lying about those things would be obvious, & an innocent Ron would've had no choice but to suspect her. But he didn't. That junk about her staying home with a sleeping Jr., didn't come out til later. Cops saying that her story didn't match evidence, may have been the beds not looking slept in. But Ron didn't bring that up til much later. & if that little mattress was staged for the cameras, (& I think it was, or the story would've always been that Haleigh was on it), Ron was in on that too. So, her failing those tests 'miserably', most definitely colored my thinking. Because when I consider her actual lies, they almost always come back to Ron, or Tommy, (the Joe story). I don't know what she added to that particular tale, because mainly it was Werter giving Tommy's account, but I do remember Misty saying that story was put into her head, & I did believe that much. Yes, she has lied a lot, but so has everybody else, including Ron. (no fight over a gun?), but the main difference between Misty & them is that they don't have a long list of failed LDT's to highlight the label, LIAR.

 

[suspicious1]

I am not really sure, I want to say August, but I know their divorce was final October 12, and Beardsly handled that. Did he have 3 lawyers at one time? I think so if Shoemaker appears in August, it gets confusing!

Hey Chablis....Shoemaker came on board in early August...and it wasn't until then that Ron was willing to talk to LE about Haleigh's case....six months later...which tells me Ron had no desire in helping this investigation until he had a criminal defense lawyer to represent him.....

It's interesting, to say the least....my mother has been going through a legal battle..and in the process of fighting her case...we had to find her a lawyer...there are lawyers who specialize in certain areas of the law....so six months after Haleigh disappeared.....Ron needed a criminal defense lawyer...IMO, Ron knew that LE was onto him for whatever crime that was committed against Haleigh....and Ron needed someone to fight those allegations for him....a criminal defense attorney....and during the interviews with LE in August....Shoemaker even admits that LE was focused on Ron's "alibi"....go figure

 

[suspicious1]

I agree. The test results are the main reason I don't give her more benefit of the doubt. As far as actual lies, it's MOO, that most of her early story changing was due to her saying what Ron wanted her to say... like whether she was asleep or awake when he got home, who picked up Haleigh from the bus. because face it...her lying about those things would be obvious, & an innocent Ron would've had no choice but to suspect her. But he didn't. That junk about her staying home with a sleeping Jr., didn't come out til later. Cops saying that her story didn't match evidence, may have been the beds not looking slept in. But Ron didn't bring that up til much later. & if that little mattress was staged for the cameras, (& I think it was, or the story would've always been that Haleigh was on it), Ron was in on that too. So, her failing those tests 'miserably', most definitely colored my thinking. Because when I consider her actual lies, they almost always come back to Ron, or Tommy, (the Joe story). I don't know what she added to that particular tale, because mainly it was Werter giving Tommy's account, but I do remember Misty saying that story was put into her head, & I did believe that much. Yes, she has lied a lot, but so has everybody else, including Ron. (no fight over a gun?), but the main difference between Misty & them is that they don't have a long list of failed LDT's to highlight the label, LIAR.

Absolutely, Dodie.....I totally agree...the only difference between Misty's lies and everybody else's lies...is the fact that she has many failed tests, like you said, to hghlight the label, LIAR....I think, and this just my opinion, that if Ron had taken as many tests as Misty and failed them.....a lot of people would not look at him as just a grieving father....IMO, Ron agreed to the first LDT, because he thought that it would appear that he had nothing to hide....that's why I believe he did NOT pass his LDT, like he said, he and Misty did...with flying colors....and that's why Ron stop cooperating...LE even said that Misty was NOT the only one with inconsistencies....and then six months later, in the presence of his criminal defense attorney, LE wanted to question Ron about his "alibi"....Really? six months later? that tells me that everything did not pan out the way Ron hoped it would...and Ron could not go back in and talk to LE until he had his attorney present....six months later...so if Ron passed his LDT and his "alibi" was legit....why is it that six months later...LE still has questions about it? If he was found being truthful in the beginning...why is LE still needing to question him...six months later....about his whereabouts the night Haleigh disappeared? Something is not adding up......and for those who think that it does add up.....well, let's just say....somebody's counting is off. JMO of course.

 

[justus4all]

Absolutely, Dodie.....I totally agree...the only difference between Misty's lies and everybody else's lies...is the fact that she has many failed tests, like you said, to hghlight the label, LIAR....I think, and this just my opinion, that if Ron had taken as many tests as Misty and failed them.....a lot of people would not look at him as just a grieving father....IMO, Ron agreed to the first LDT, because he thought that it would appear that he had nothing to hide....that's why I believe he did NOT pass his LDT, like he said, he and Misty did...with flying colors....and that's why Ron stop cooperating...LE even said that Misty was NOT the only one with inconsistencies....and then six months later, in the presence of his criminal defense attorney, LE wanted to question Ron about his "alibi"....Really? six months later? that tells me that everything did not pan out the way Ron hoped it would...and Ron could not go back in and talk to LE until he had his attorney present....six months later...so if Ron passed his LDT and his "alibi" was legit....why is it that six months later...LE still has questions about it? If he was found being truthful in the beginning...why is LE still needing to question him...six months later....about his whereabouts the night Haleigh disappeared? Something is not adding up......and for those who think that it does add up.....well, let's just say....somebody's counting is off. JMO of course.

Great post suspicious!!! This all makes sense...I have always had my doubts about Ron passing his LDT...with the "colors flying".....

 

[suspicious1]

I guess in all these months I haven't made my position clear.

I think all these people (Ron included) are liars, criminal, drug addict, neglectful parents, I can go on.

I am not cutting Ron any slack. I just don't think he was there and am not buying the conspiracy theory that he did "something" to Haleigh before work.

Thats just mine, yours is yours.

BBM

Absolutely...and I will stand my ground....all the way to the end...

We can all agree that these players, the Cummings and the Croslins, are liars, drug addicts, neglectful, you know I get that....I really do. I will never cut Ron any slack...ever...whether Ron directly harmed Haleigh or not....I'm not too sure now....but if nothing else he knew who did and the circumstances surrounding what happened to his daughter. I have believed that from day one.....and his plea deal just kinda summed that up for me...JMO of course

 

[lil momma]

If Misty were to lead LE to HaLeigh, i would be very surprised. IMO, the reason Misty won't tell LE where HaLeigh is because she doesn't know where "others" have placed her.

JMO

 

[justus4all]

If Misty were to lead LE to HaLeigh, i would be very surprised. IMO, the reason Misty won't tell LE where HaLeigh is because she doesn't know where "others" have placed her.

JMO

Absolutely!!! I believe that Haleigh had been moved at least 3 times..

Also...it would be in the Cummings best interest to not have any of the Croslins know where they placed her...as it could imcrimminate them later if they talked...

The Croslins...may have helped..in transporting her...to someone else..a Cummings...

But IMO...the Cummings did the FINAL burial..and only they/RON know where she is...

IMO...Absolutely!!!! you are on the right track......well said!!

all in my own opinion

 

[Bipolar Express]

She doesnt tell the truth because

A) She doesnt know
B) She is guilty of murder one and the thought of the DP is too much for her.

It, IMOO, has gone way beyond her covering for anyone, she would have talked by now, she is way to selfish to stay behind bars for ANYONE other than herself.

I do believe ToC is every bit as guilty as she is. Whatever happened they were both involved and most probably on even levels. My mind cant even concieve of what that was...if it was giving Haleigh drugs, that belonged to Ron, to do whatever it is they wanted to do without a witness, then I can clearly see that happening.

But all that really matters is...WHERE IS HALEIGH?

 

[kant]

If Misty were to lead LE to HaLeigh, i would be very surprised. IMO, the reason Misty won't tell LE where HaLeigh is because she doesn't know where "others" have placed her.

JMO

Yes, this.

I don't think TN, GGS, and Ron would allow Misty to know the location of Haleigh's body because they may consider Misty too much of a risk, I mean... loose cannon-wise.

(Note to self: You cant make something a word just by adding "-wise" to the end of it.)



moo

 

[lil momma]

Yes, this.

I don't think TN, GGS, and Ron would allow Misty to know the location of Haleigh's body because they may consider Misty too much of a risk, I mean... loose cannon-wise.

(Note to self: You cant make something a word just by adding "-wise" to the end of it.)



moo

That is where i was going kant! I feel exactly the same way. IF anyone other knew where HaLeigh's body was placed then it leaves too much room for Misty to open her mouth, and blab away.

BTW- note to self......lmao

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Yes, this.

I don't think TN, GGS, and Ron would allow Misty to know the location of Haleigh's body because they may consider Misty too much of a risk, I mean... loose cannon-wise.

(Note to self: You cant make something a word just by adding "-wise" to the end of it.)



moo

Why is it that the one person we KNOW was present at the mobile home is the one presumed to be ignorant of events and innocent? This turns logic on its head.

 

[blazeofglory]

Hank: Tommys mad at you for bringing his name up in that chit. He says he knows nothing bout, he was never there. And He does not know why you are saying that about um.

Misty: They put a lot of things in peoples’ mouths. The cops do a lot. They try to say more than what was even said. They do.

Hank: And don’t be holding nothing back from nobody…

Misty: Daddy, I’m not!

Hank: Just get it out there. Let it out man. Tell the truth.

Misty: I swear on everything that I’ve told the truth dad. Theres nothing else to tell. I don’t know. And that’s the truth, you know. If I knew, they would have knew all along time ago.

 

[blazeofglory]

Misty: (tearfully) And I’m tired of ?? putting things on me. I didn’t do anything wrong. And they wanna keep putting me like I’m this fu_king horrible person and I’m not. I didn’t do nothing to deserve none of this man. I always had a heart. I always tried to help people and everything. Always get screwed over all the time. And Ronald just used me.

Hank: I tried to tell you that.

Misty: He did. He did use me. He used me for a babysitter. He used me for everything that he wanted me, and his family too. That’s the only reason he wanted me around is to be their babysitter because they were tired of babysitting the kids. That’s exactly why. And then when they didn’t need me no more, when HaLeigh come up missing and they didn’t need me no more thats when they wanted me to leave. Because they had everybody helping them hand and foot. That’s exactly why. And they wanna say since I come into their family its been drama. No! Since Ronald come into my life its been drama.