If no one at school "saw" anything..why not?

[SurfieTX]

8:35 warning bell. Buses arrive around that time.

8:45 Kids in room . Classes start.

8-10-science fair for public and parents.

10 -Kyron marked absent

Where would the parents be at though? Standing in the class with their kid? And why the need to arrange small tour groups with a chaperon if a parent would (obviously) be better and touring his/her own child hand-in-hand around the school? It is confusing! :waitasec:

 

[Billylee]

AND, does this mean that classes started at 8:45 but no roll was taken until 10:00 a.m. Yes I'm totally confused here.

 

[SurfieTX]

AND, does this mean that classes started at 8:45 but no roll was taken until 10:00 a.m. Yes I'm totally confused here.

What a mess!! I'm assuming not every child had a parent there, so did the school just assume that the kids w/o parents would go to class automatically while the others there with a parent could roam freely? That would never slide at our elementary. If it was me with my child, she'd have a half a dozen parentless friends wanting to tour with me and her, not with the teacher or a chaperon's group.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

You know how I feel about you and your opinions Ocean. :heart:

I saw this issue BBM brought up yesterday somewhere else.
The bus driver called the school. The school had to act on that call.
The authorities had to be called at that point.
There was no other way for the school to handle it. Period.
And I feel she knew the school and its activities like the back of her hand.
I have a few ideas on the why but feel sure it will be presented in court.

This breaks my heart so and is different for me for reasons you know about. :cry:
I love you more than my favorite sweater but we are going to have to agree to disagree about this one my friend.

jmho

TY but this time I really don't have an opinion one way or the other.

I am waiting for the facts to come forward in this case.

I love you too and disagreeing with me is not going to change that. I am a much deeper person than that, imo.

Although like I said, I really don't have an concrete opinion about this case so if that is what we are disagreeing on then there is nothing wrong with that. lol

IMO

 

[ThoughtFox]

I think the teacher may well have reported him absent to the school office but that was it since they used to have no procedure for following up the absences.

Dateline NBC said that at some point he was marked absent. Not sure of the time.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I pray to God that I am never a POI in a crime, because of all the searches on my computer. The other day I was thinking about this when someone stated but "someone would have seen them leave the school" and I said "Kyron is gone and no one saw him leave regardless if it was Terri or someone else, he got out of the school and no one saw anything." So I decided to do some research about, and I decided to look up hiding in plain sight, committing a crime in a crowd without being seen and different things like that. There are thousands of websites that tell people how not to be noticed, such as wearing clothing that is neutral in colors and many different things, its quite amazing how much we don't notice in a busy environment, and how easy it is to commit a crime in plain sight.
I look at it like this imagine if you are at a concert or a busy mall, everyone is talking and making noise moving around and such, you can not hear what the person two seats beside you is saying unless you are tuned in to that specific person, you would never know if someone 3 rows in front of you was cursing you out, because there is to much going on. Look at Morgan Harrington she disappeared in plain sight. The Olympic bombing was done in plain sight, and they even had security there. A couple of years ago we went to a Blue Angels flight show, during the show a storm came and they had to postpone for a few minutes, then they restarted and everything was fine. Later that evening while watching the news we heard that there was what they call a down burst and caused a tent to collapse killing a kid, in all the commotion we never knew anything had even happened, til after the fact. I am sure if Skyline is like our school is on days my kids have programs it is a mad house. I do not think it is that strange that no one saw anything especially if it was not abnormal, and even if it were abnormal I still don't think to many people would have noticed.

All that may be true but I know no child would have been able to walkout alone if they attended my children or grand children's school, no matter the event of the day. In all of their years they have never lost a student.

I don't think the school was a mad house. The school was very small. It wasn't like grand central station and I am sure everything was being done in an orderly fashion.

IMO

 

[BringKyronHome]

With so many unfamiliar faces...I suppose that there were a few amazing people that could recognize all 600 parents that belonged to all 300 students, and also knew the 300 students...but I'm sure that most people could not do that.

I would even suggest that because it was so busy, so crowded that most people kept their attention pretty close to their kid.

I think it would be so easy for any random adult to slip in there and LOOK like just another parent or parent volunteer.

And no one would have noticed it as odd if even some random strange adult was near Kyron...they could have thought it was anyone (if they even knew who was supposed to be with him). Remember it was k-8...did every single adult know who was the 'right' adult to be with Kyron? So many kids were likely with the 'wrong' adult during the tours.

I think any adult would have noticed it as odd if a child left the school on their own OR if they left the school with an adult, as it would have been odd leaving the school at that time - period.

Whether it was Terri or some random person that took him, it would have been about the same risks...EXCEPT in the case where someone would see Kyron or Terri that actually knew them, because that would be a risk for Terri...

For a 'stranger' only if someone called him on it would it be an issue, but if he gave some line about Kyron helping w/ his son's project or something...

Also, a stranger, he could abort & run. Terri couldn't do that, and she would never know if someone was lookign out the window or something.

For a stranger, it wouldn't matter, because by the time someone knew it was odd, he'd be long gone.

Either Terri had help or this was a stranger, in my opinion.

I just can't imagine a helper this far along...who could sit by and watch all this and not come forward? How could she not contact this person during this time? To me it makes no sense what so ever! And even less when Kaine himself can't figure out how or why she'd be involved with this. To me that speaks volumes...I really beleive he WANTS to believe Terri is involved just so that he won't have to consider another reality.

And at this moment most of the reasons for thinking it's Terri is based on K&D's words.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I don't think it is at all unusual for no one--teachers, administrators or students-- to have "not noticed" (as in "failed to register the event as worth noting and remembering") what either Kyron or TH did that morning and especially what might have happened outside the school. At that point, everyone's attention was focused on students getting to class and getting the normal school day underway. No one is paying to people coming and going in the parking lots. All sorts of people arrive and leave to drop kids off or pick them up for appointments, to bring the forgotten lunch or homework, to have meetings with administrators. In a school, the attention of teachers is and should be on the students in that particular classroom.

We all know, in addition, that eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. Even if someone "remembered" seeing TH and Kyron, they could well be thinking of a different day or even different people. For most people, the science fair would have been a disruption of normal routine, making it even harder to remember timeframes, people, encounters.

The most useful question to me is why the teacher didn't follow up when Kyron was noticed to be absent. At the point where a student not on the daily absence list is NOT in class, most schools would require that the teacher contact the office immediately--not because of abduction, but because kids who are cutting class are usually up to no good. It would be interesting to know what the daily attendance bulletin includes--were early dismissals routinely noted? Did the office usually follow up on kids who were present in the morning but absent later? This is the kind of "noticing"--routinized and official--that would give LE the best chance of finding a missing child. As for the parking lots, video cams are the best idea for identifying strangers, people leaving with kids, and kids cutting class or engaging in vandalism.

 

[cluciano63]

I think both D&K need to believe that Terri is involved, even if they have no evidence of it, beyond her obviously weird behavior. For obvious reasons.

Also, I think LE may have run across some witnesses who saw Terri leaving alone. That may be why there has been no arrest.

 

[Billylee]

This is still the only timeline I've seen reported about the school functions. And it makes no sense. It says that classes didn't begin until 10:00, when Ky was reported absent. So where the heck were the kids between 8:45 and 10:00, and was there a roll taken at 8:45. I know the school is trying to make sure they cover their own butts, but you would think this information would be available, if in fact kids were told to report to class at 8:45, but no actual roll was taken until 10:00.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html

 

[SmoothOperator]

we must remember this was a science fair day. the schedules, the rules, everything about the day is differeent. Its a hectic day, a day when the regular procedure of checking your child in and out is NOT in place....
IMO Terri took advantage of all of these things that day. In one of my first posts I also related it to "the perfect storm" , perfect all except for Terri's NOT thinking the suspision would be on her. I think she thought and planned full well with it falling on the heads of the teachers and staff of Skyline for not adequately protecting these young children... She thought wrong and I'm hoping that "mess up" lends enough info to lead to Kyron and justice.

 

[Billylee]

If the parents were under the impression that classes started normally at 8:45 and were never told anything different, but they didn't actually start until 10:00, then parents would have just up and left at 8:35 thinking their children were safe AND ACCOUNTED FOR, in their classrooms. And with this event open to the public, holy cow, it's a wonder we don't have more kids missing. I just can't believe this schedule is accurate, it makes no sense to me. However, it could explain the school not coming forward with the actual info.

 

[Chewy]

I think that a point is being missed here. It is not so much whether or not Terri WAS seen leaving the school, it's how could she KNOW that she wasn't seen. This is what puts the situation in a different light.

Even if she told Kyron "go meet me by the truck" all that would need to happen is ONE person looking out the window seeing Kyron get into the truck and her cover is blown. So how would she know that? That is what people say is too risky about the whole thing and what puts me on the fence with her involvement.

One more option I just thought of, is it possible she gave Kyron a cell phone and called him when the coast was clear to meet her in the parking lot?

 

[ami]

Also, a stranger, he could abort & run. Terri couldn't do that, and she would never know if someone was lookign out the window or something.

For a stranger, it wouldn't matter, because by the time someone knew it was odd, he'd be long gone.

Either Terri had help or this was a stranger, in my opinion.

RSBM

I agree that this part of the speculation seems to make little sense when you try to imagine her thoughts and plans in relation to a school abduction.

I try to imagine myself getting my daughter out of school with no one noticing in similar circumstances (science fair, parents at school, kids walking around). What would I do, how would I plan this? [obviously in my mind I'm doing this as a test, not with evil motives...]

The plan to remove a living, walking and talking child from school would have to allow me an excuse if I was observed and questioned. Maybe like the alleged doctor's appointment deliberate misunderstanding? "Oh, remember his doctor's appointment? I told you about it yesterday - thought you heard. We'll be back around noon!" But then the plan would have to be called off for that day, and the child brought back after some amount of time passed "at the doctor".

I imagine I'd have to stand someplace within sight of an exit - and not the main entrance/exit, either - and wait for a lull in traffic or activity. Maybe chat to my child, maybe look at artwork on the wall. As soon as the hall was empty, grab the child's hand "okay kiddo, let's move it so we're not late!" and walk out the door.

But how do you know you're not seen through a window? How do you know someone didn't stick their head out a classroom door and see your red hair whisking off down the hall, or the door closing behind you?

Or another scenario - she parked near a side door, she has told Kyron he has a doctor's appointment already so he knows he's got to leave in a few minutes. She and Kyron walk close to the side exit door and when she verifies the hall is empty, Terri suddenly "remembers" something she has to tell Kyron's teacher really quick. "Okay Kyron, you start heading to the truck and I'll meet you there in a minute." He heads out the door, she stands right there watching and is satisfied no one has observed this, then she follows him out the door (or she tries to be seen exiting the main door by herself) and they meet at the truck.

Hmmm. But if it was close to the time that most of the parents were leaving after the 845am end of the parent part of the fair, wouldn't a lot of people be moving into the parking lot from the school?

I seriously don't understand this part at all. Not from a stranger abduction standpoint, not from a Terri abduction standpoint. There was pretty much no way that ANYone could have walked out with him without risking all of the same moments of discovery.

 

[Billylee]

I agree Chewy, but that's where the actual school schedule comes in for me. If in fact, all kids were to be in their classrooms at 8:45. And Terri left with Kyron at 8:45ish or 8:48ish. Maybe, just maybe no one was around. All kids and teachers in their class, parents already gone. But the schedule posted above, says classes did not even begin that day until 10:00 a.m. So, if that's truly the case, then I guess no roll was taken until 10:00 a.m. and I would figure that other parents and kids were still milling around at 8:45. That's why I'm trying to find out the real schedule and whether or not parents were notified of a change in schedule. Because, if they hadn't been, they'd have all left just as the kids ran off to classrooms and perhaps TH (with KY) lagged behind until they were all gone.

 

[SurfieTX]

According to an "unnamed source" - hearsay/rumor, really, the Skyline's website, prior it being updated for the summer, announced that parents could tour from 8:00 to 8:45 and that the kids were touring with their class from 9:00 to 10:00. Now why roll wasn't taken until 10:00 is just flat-out weird. I wish someone had a screenshot of it. Maybe it's out there, I'll dig for it.

 

[ami]

According to an "unnamed source" - hearsay/rumor, really, the Skyline's website, prior it being updated for the summer, announced that parents could tour from 8:00 to 8:45 and that the kids were touring with their class from 9:00 to 10:00. Now why roll wasn't taken until 10:00 is just flat-out weird. I wish someone had a screenshot of it. Maybe it's out there, I'll dig for it.

If that's accurate, I wonder what they were doing from 845 - 9am? Probably gathering in their classes and being split into groups... and if that's the case then the halls wouldn't have been busy at all. Most parents would be leaving/have left, teachers, students and volunteers inside classrooms. Especially between maybe 850 and 9 to account for stragglers and kisses goodbye by parents.

 

[Chewy]

To me the only way she could have done it would be to have had him go back and forth with her to the truck several times bringing in his project. Then take him right smack dab in the middle of the science fair so people would assume he was looking at exhibits. Perhaps she prompted him to tell everyone he was looking at the electric one. Then perhaps she could have argued for reasonable doubt. There's no way in the world she could have been confident enough to do it in an empty parking lot.

Does anyone know if there was any sort of a distraction that day? A overflowing toilet or anything that might have gotten the school staff focused elsewhere or perhaps the science fair was sufficient in that regard.

 

[SurfieTX]

If that's accurate, I wonder what they were doing from 845 - 9am? Probably gathering in their classes and being split into groups... and if that's the case then the halls wouldn't have been busy at all. Most parents would be leaving/have left, teachers, students and volunteers inside classrooms. Especially between maybe 850 and 9 to account for stragglers and kisses goodbye by parents.

That's how I've always envisioned it...the perfect 15 minutes for whomever is responsible. Remember, LE amended some requests later on and specifically wanted statements, pictures or videos of Kyron AFTER 8:45. Of course, we have no way of knowing if they got that info. And, that perfect 15 indicates that whomever did it had an intimate knowledge of the school's schedule, i.e. not some random perv.

 

[Curious Me]

Let's go with this was a plan devised by TMH. She plans to make Kyron disappear from the school that particular day because the confusion would be a good cover. Then, I don't understand why her plan would not include solid albi and whereabouts for the whole day. If it was a plan, it wasn't that thought out, and LE can see the holes but not the whole story yet.

Frustratred, I'm sick of wondering how someone got Kyron out of that school without being seen. It is crucial to this case to determine if TMH left the school with Kyron. I suspect LE must have more than they're saying. Lying in bed trying to figure this out without all the dots is wearing on me. I know we all feel like that waiting for more info. Prayers for Kyron and those who love him.