If Terri didn't do it, then why.....

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im not trying to offend anyone, im trying to realisticaly try to show there are other possibilities. i dont know how this is offensive? i have not openly attacked anyonelse's opinion on this matter, just differed from it.

im not trying to play the bad guy but apperentley im coming off that way.

kbl, I most certainly meant no offence to you, either.

However, when people actually start to get angry over these threads, it is not good for anyone involved, so I merely wanted to remind people that they have options other than anger.

I don't feel anyone is at fault - difference of opinion is what it is.

For what it's worth, I think many of your posts are succinct, valiant and useful. But disagreements should not cause anger, IMO.

ETA: The TL;DR version: You can't control the opinions of others, only your response to them.
 
i dont know. i still wont be shocked if this whole thing is a set up and someone (not naming names) turns out to have been a pretty good con man


I'm with ya...
 
id also state that the cell pings on the island where she said she wasnt mean nothing since they havent found kyron there.
 
I don't think you are playing the bad guy. I don't think we've been shown enough real, factual evidence to begin to know what happened to Kyron. Maybe it's because my husband is a lawyer and every time I come up with my "theory", he makes it look like swiss cheese (lol), but I just am not convinced of anyone's innocence or guilt right now. I don't think it's beyond the pale to consider all angles. It seems like this forum has definitely decided on TH as the perp, and it makes it very hard to talk about anything other than her and her involvement.
 
If you walk out of a polygraph, is that considered failing or not finishing it?
I thought it was said TH walked out of the first one, and then the Police allowed her to take another one that was delayed one week. So is the first one considered a fail because she walked out ?
I assumed at first that they learned that info from LE, I was quite surprised to learn, they learned it from TH. Not that they seemed too interested in what she had to say about failing it, they made that evident today. I'm wondering if that may have been a pattern when they were all together, not paying much attention to her, or brushing her aside. Just an observation I made today.
 
just for the record, kh and dy thinking she is guilty is NOT evidence :)

IMHO by itself, no. What we have to remember is they know way more than we,the public do, from working with FBI,LE.
 
kbl, I most certainly meant no offence to you, either.

However, when people actually start to get angry over these threads, it is not good for anyone involved, so I merely wanted to remind people that they have options other than anger.

I don't feel anyone is at fault - difference of opinion is what it is.

For what it's worth, I think many of your posts are succinct, valiant and useful. But disagreements should not cause anger, IMO.

ETA: The TL;DR version: You can't control the opinions of others, only your response to them.

sorry. i tend to get angry when people are angry at me for nothing :)

i'll tone it done
 
Let me guess, KH did this? Why is TH so innocent but KH so guilty? I just don't understand it. There's all this upset over TH and she be might be innocent, so let's blame KH and say he's a con man? Not very mature there. You can't be upset about us talking about TH and then suggest, without ANY proof that KH is the guilty one here. That's not applying the same standards to everyone in this case.

And we don't know what the police have. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE. We can speculate all we want, but the only people who KNOW what the police have is the police, and possibly KH, DY, and TY. For anyone to say they obviously don't have enough is erroneous (responding to more than one post here). How can we can possibly say whether they have enough or not when we don't know what they have? We don't know what they are investigating, who they are investigating other than Terri, what evidence they are looking at, and so on. All we KNOW is from the pressers, and what KH, and DY tell us. And what they have told, all they have told us, all the information that has come out does not have to do with KH, does not have to do with DY, does not have to do with TY, or anyone else BUT TH. No, the police have not named TH or arrested her, but that doesn't mean that they don't have anything either.

All we do know is about ONE PERSON: TH. It's TH we keeping hearing about. It's TH who saw Kyron last at school. It's TH who's been acting weird since the beginning. It's TH who has or had PPD and that may have contributed. It's TH who is lying and not cooperating with police. It's TH who failed two polygraph tests.

So we should ignore logic and reason and just believe she's not guilty and KH is a con man? What PROOF is there that he is a con man? Either he has done a job worthy of an Academy Award, or people are so against TH being guilty that they are willing to cast blame on KH just because he's the biological dad. There is NO proof that KH is a con man or that he has had anything to do with what happened to Kyron. He should not be villainized because he made the mistake of getting together with TH and allowing her to help raise his children. God, he's a man and men make mistakes. That doesn't mean we should crucify him for it just to say that TH is not guilty.

All IMO, and after the presser last night, I suspect Kaine even less. It's obvious he really regrets bringing TH into his life. It is obvious he is upset over his son being missing, and that he wishes he could change things. It's also obvious he is working very well the police and his ex to find Kyron. I am tired of people who don't want to believe TH is guilty, but want to throw KH and even DY into the fire for what happened to Kyron. This is not some massive conspiracy to railroad TH. If she's innocent, it will be proven so. If she's innocent, she should say so!

The fact is, KH, DY, and TY have apparently been cleared. Otherwise, I don't think LE would continue working with them. I don't think LE would want them having pressers if they suspected them. Who hasn't been cleared? TH. Until she is or until information comes about KH, DY, or TY that PROVES they are guilty, the only one I am focusing on is the one who HASN'T been cleared, the one who KH and DY are pleading with to reveal where their son is.

I'm not saying TH is the only who can be discussed, I'm saying that it's wrong to throw everyone else under the bus, yet also say that Terri is innocent. All of them have just as much of a chance of being innocent as Terri does, and their lives don't deserve to be ruined any more than hers does. All of their lives are ruined anyway because Kyron is still missing. Let's use logic and reasoning here, not wild speculation and careless blaming.

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She failed the lie detector tests, she is not protesting her innocence, she is not actively involved in trying to locate Kyron...those are some of the main reasons I think she's involved. Some say they don't see how she could have gotten him out of the school without anyone seeing...well...Somebody got him out of there without anyone seeing otherwise Kyron would have been at the school when police searched. So, since we know that somebody got him out, why not Terri? She worked there and knew the building, the schedules, the school policies like the back of her hand. We know Kyron wouldn't have gone with a stranger so, put that together with her knowledge of the school and she becomes the most obvious suspect.

All good points. Plus after the fact it's easy to say why wasn't someone watching Kyron that day. But that day no one knew he would be missing until after the crime happened. And no matter what it's a crime. Kyron didn't magically decide that day to begin living on his own. Someone did something with him to cause him to be missing.

No one is able to watch every child at any given school all the time on every day. IF Kyron had been manhandled or dragged off against his will he was old enough to make some noise leading me to wonder if he wasn't with someone he felt comfortable with.
 
sorry. i tend to get angry when people are angry at me for nothing :)

i'll tone it done

Try what I do - Just scream at the monitor a lot. :angel:


ETA: Again, though, I wasn't singling you or Aedrys or anyone in particular out.
 
"It seems like this forum has definitely decided on TH as the perp, and it makes it very hard to talk about anything other than her and her involvement. "


This forum did not decide TH was the perp. For weeks we held back sleuthing anyone involved in this case. And for good reason there are victims here and WS is a victim friendly site. Now it became clear that the focus of this investigation is on TH. Main Stream Media has taken it in that direction, the family who have a working relationship with LE and Investigators have led it in that direction. If Terri Horman or her attorney want to talk and tip the tables then we will look at whether the focus has changed just as we have continually changed our rules to meet the changing news.

Unless and until there is a change in the focus of the investigation we protect victims.

Now in that this thread has just become a big discussion about how mean everyone is maybe the thread has served it's purpose.

If a mod has to step in here one more time it goes poof. And TO's will be considered.
 
i also thought this was a criminal investigation. sometimes you have to 'hurt people' to get to the truth, even if they dont deserve it. i know LE Feels that way.

on another point if eveyrhint kaine and desiree is saying is TRUE, then LE needs to tell them to zip it.

they might be compromising the investigation, cause they are certianly not getting terri to talk.
 
i dont know. i still wont be shocked if this whole thing is a set up and someone (not naming names) turns out to have been a pretty good con man

First off this is in no way directed at you pesonally.:)

If this senario becomes a reality, I will personally eat a fat Crow and simataneously cr*p a brick! :angel::twocents::cow:
 
Oh good grief, I was saying how I feel. Time me out if you feel it's necessary.
 
"It seems like this forum has definitely decided on TH as the perp, and it makes it very hard to talk about anything other than her and her involvement. "


This forum did not decide TH was the perp. For weeks we held back sleuthing anyone involved in this case. And for good reason there are victims here and WS is a victim friendly site. Now it became clear that the focus of this investigation is on TH. Main Stream Media has taken it in that direction, the family who have a working relationship with LE and Investigators have led it in that direction. If Terri Horman or her attorney want to talk and tip the tables then we will look at whether the focus has changed just as we have continually changed our rules to meet the changing news.

Unless and until there is a change in the focus of the investigation we protect victims.

Now in that this thread has just become a big discussion about how mean everyone is maybe the thread has served it's purpose.

If a mod has to step in here one more time it goes poof. And TO's will be considered.

ITA, and I apologize. This case is really getting to me. I think I'll read more and post a little less from here on out.
 
I've now changed my mind and after watching DY and KH at the presser I believe the TMH is involved in some way in Kyron's disappearance. Not that I didn't think it was possible, but I was waiting (and waiting and waiting) from some kind of verification from someone in an official capacity. I was trying to not use rumors to sway me either way.

However, with the confirmation that TMH failed 2 polys, and the certainty that DY has in her gut about this, I put my faith in DY's intuition. I believe in intuition and listening to one's gut feelings and if DY said she had a strong intuitive feeling, then yep, that's good enough for me to start to form an opinion on TMH's culpability. Note I'm not saying she's guilty, but I will at least agree that there is something hinky going on.

I don't know, of course, what TMH actually did to Kyron and I don't know if the MFH plot is real, but she certainly seems responsible for something.

Why she would take out her anger/rage by hurting Kyron in any way I don't understand at all--but I will never understand hurting helpless beings, be they human or animal.

And if it's about money (only) then she's colder than your average mafioso, cause even they frown on hurting children and would consider that an abomination.
 
At this point , Id need to know the sources for the leaks and their motives.
LE has not publicly said anything, it all comes from the media which comes from a source.

I read a quote in at least some of the news stories from LE saying she was not where her phone pings placed her when she said she was at the school the morning he disappeared. In the links thread. I have no idea whether news agencies concocted the quotes & said it was LE, but it seems to me they'd be in for lawsuits galore if that were the case. I think LE is just trying to build a case that might stick. Knowing someone did something and proving it in criminal court are two dif matters. I'm thinking this case may never be solved like so many others. One thing is for sure. Someone did something with Kyron that's not good.
 
Let me guess, KH did this? Why is TH so innocent but KH so guilty? I just don't understand it. There's all this upset over TH and she be might be innocent, so let's blame KH and say he's a con man? Not very mature there. You can't be upset about us talking about TH and then suggest, without ANY proof that KH is the guilty one here. That's not applying the same standards to everyone in this case.

And we don't know what the police have. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE. We can speculate all we want, but the only people who KNOW what the police have is the police, and possibly KH, DY, and TY. For anyone to say they obviously don't have enough is erroneous (responding to more than one post here). How can we can possibly say whether they have enough or not when we don't know what they have? We don't know what they are investigating, who they are investigating other than Terri, what evidence they are looking at, and so on. All we KNOW is from the pressers, and what KH, and DY tell us. And what they have told, all they have told us, all the information that has come out does not have to do with KH, does not have to do with DY, does not have to do with TY, or anyone else BUT TH. No, the police have not named TH or arrested her, but that doesn't mean that they don't have anything either.

All we do know is about ONE PERSON: TH. It's TH we keeping hearing about. It's TH who saw Kyron last at school. It's TH who's been acting weird since the beginning. It's TH who has or had PPD and that may have contributed. It's TH who is lying and not cooperating with police. It's TH who failed two polygraph tests.

So we should ignore logic and reason and just believe she's not guilty and KH is a con man? What PROOF is there that he is a con man? Either he has done a job worthy of an Academy Award, or people are so against TH being guilty that they are willing to cast blame on KH just because he's the biological dad. There is NO proof that KH is a con man or that he has had anything to do with what happened to Kyron. He should not be villainized because he made the mistake of getting together with TH and allowing her to help raise his children. God, he's a man and men make mistakes. That doesn't mean we should crucify him for it just to say that TH is not guilty.

All IMO, and after the presser last night, I suspect Kaine even less. It's obvious he really regrets bringing TH into his life. It is obvious he is upset over his son being missing, and that he wishes he could change things. It's also obvious he is working very well the police and his ex to find Kyron. I am tired of people who don't want to believe TH is guilty, but want to throw KH and even DY into the fire for what happened to Kyron. This is not some massive conspiracy to railroad TH. If she's innocent, it will be proven so. If she's innocent, she should say so!

The fact is, KH, DY, and TY have apparently been cleared. Otherwise, I don't think LE would continue working with them. I don't think LE would want them having pressers if they suspected them. Who hasn't been cleared? TH. Until she is or until information comes about KH, DY, or TY that PROVES they are guilty, the only one I am focusing on is the one who HASN'T been cleared, the one who KH and DY are pleading with to reveal where their son is.

I'm not saying TH is the only who can be discussed, I'm saying that it's wrong to throw everyone else under the bus, yet also say that Terri is innocent. All of them have just as much of a chance of being innocent as Terri does, and their lives don't deserve to be ruined any more than hers does. All of their lives are ruined anyway because Kyron is still missing. Let's use logic and reasoning here, not wild speculation and careless blaming.

bolded by me.
i thought in this country you have to be proven guilty, not innocent.

my other problem, (i dont know if problem is the right word), is if she has nothing to do with this, and i am still on the fence about this one, then is there really anyone else that is being looked at this closely? i know this is a bad example, but this is the first one that i can think of... look at jon benet and her case. pretty much only the parents were looked at. 50% of people still think they are guilty. we never really heard of any other suspects in that case, was this because the police really only looked at the parents? most likely. and they never were charged with anything, still havent been. maybe because they didnt do it and the person that did was never looked for hard enough. i know we can argue about that one forever, but being accused of something you didnt do happens all the time. i watch dateline and 20/20, it seems to happen a lot...
 
This is the thing that gets me the most and leads to my suspicions that TH is definitely involved with Kyron's disappearance:

The coincidence of these two particular but separate events in one person's life inside a few months:

(1) The person's stepchild disappears.

(2) Someone accuses the person of hiring them to kill the person's husband.

Unless the landscaper is the one who kidnapped Kyron and is trying to frame TH, I can't imagine those two separate events happening "at random" so to speak to one individual. Either event would never ever happen at all to 99,999,999 people out of 100,000,000.

Both events happening in the span of a few months to the same person?

It would be like lightning hitting the same tree two years in a row on the same day at the same hour.

But I will say that there may be someone setting her up for all we know...good point about Jon Benet's parents. But, they were never arrested or indicted...zero evidence and have since been completely vindicated.

If there is zero evidence against TH, she won't be arrested.

My gut is that she is involved though. But if they have proof of a conspirancy, that will come out and I'll be the first to say I was wrong.
 
First off this is in no way directed at you pesonally.:)

If this senario becomes a reality, I will personally eat a fat Crow and simataneously cr*p a brick! :angel::twocents::cow:

rofl.

i'll do the same when im wrong, though i state again, this is just my THEORY. not my belief.
i dont think my theory is impossible either
 
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