If you believe the Ramsey's did it please answer this for me...

[jnsngrl]

I dont get why its called the elaborate staging cuz they did a very poor job of it-they did it in a room where the window was small and it could be doubted whether or not it was even used by an intruder - the size being smaller than most men.
They left things very unclear if they wanted to have others believe there was an intruder cuz most of u think they are guilty.
The biggest problem I have with the whole notion they staged it is that the staging was so poorly done-only an idiot would write that ransom note-make it that long..and leave her in a room with nothing out of place but a suitcase..
These are smart people-they would have done a better job..such as break a window-put a chair under it-they would make it more obvious and believeable..jmo
And i get stopped for sure when its explained as sexual abuse gone awry..there is nothing in his history to suggest he was an abuser-even his ex wife stood up and said so-and she is an ex.
Not one person has come out of the closet with these things having been true in his history..i mean it makes no sense that they did it..and if the crime scene was screwed up by incompetent police work, why does everyone think it was the ramseys..once a scene is contaminated-it points to no-one or everyone..not just the ramseys.

Mark Lunford didnt kill his child-and the grandfather had a record and yet it wasnt him..it was an intruder-and noone heard him come take her
His trailer was pply the same distance as the basement was from the ramseys bedroom so its very possible the intruder could go unheard.

Surely the ramseys could have done a much better job of staging it. Even an intruder could have bashed her over the head and just left it at that..they didnt have to stage a strangulation to stage this.
That was overkill not just kill..it wasnt necessary.
(all this from catching john ramsey abusing her or patsy killing her for bedwetting..it just is so weak in my opinion-they could have done a softer kill and still have it point to an intruder)
Its the work of a depraved paedophile -they kill like that..non-killers such as the ramseys dont kill like that for the first time..god-they could have smothered her and left her in her room and still have it point to an intruder.
Look at elizabeth smart-it happens-when noone wants to believe it wasnt an inside job-until elizabeth was found a lot of folks blamed the dad or the uncles-people said many rotten things about them..and even the case of that duncan guy-they had no idea who he was-he just picked that house to watch and line up a kill.
It happens-so i just do not get how everything the ramseys did or did not do makes them evil.

It doesnt make any sense and even the fact that some of u think it was john and others think it was patsy and others think it was burke tells me they would not have been convicted..it would have to be clearer and it wasnt.
If 2 explanations are equal u have to give the defendant the benefit of reasonable doubt- for every argument that has been presented I can think of a reasonable counter possibilitiy..so if I can its possible they were not involved-cuz I am not trying hard to counter claim..it just looks differently to me.
Now-one thing that is out of place for me is no footsteps in the snow..these intruders dont fly out of a house..however, the investigation was so poorly done that I have doubts about that - for one thing tons of people came to the house before they knew she was dead..how can they say there were no footsteps in the snow-and I also heard other reasons for it-like the snow wasnt everywhere they could have walked.
yada

Please read Andrew G Hodges' "A Mother gone Bad" It thoroughly explains how
"nice people" could kill their own daughter. Moreover, it details all the psychological factors contributing to this "perfect storm" event.

 

[tumble]

Let's not forget the soiled play pants JonBenet wore during Christmas day...found in her bathroom floor. The soiled size six panties are missing?

Toltec, are you sure the size 6 are missing. I have read from posters seeing a photograph of the soiled playpants with a pair of panties inside them.
This also makes more sense to me, how do you soil a pair of pants, the panties would take the 'bulk hit' so to say.

 

[BloodshotEye]

SouthCityMom: I'm not sure of course, but I don't think that "the blow to the head must come first", if a preson subscribes to the RDI theory. I guess at the very least, the "order" in which the injuries occured, might be more closely (if not exactly) associated with the motive.

So although I think it is a likely scenario that an MRDI (Male Ramsey Did It), I think the order in which the injuries occurred is different. Not sure if you were thinking that PR did it.

 

[angelwngs]

Patsy requested that Pam Paugh retrieve the MyTwinnDoll during her visit to the home Dec 26. Why Patsy would want a doll JonBenet did not care for is open to interpretation.

I too believe Patsy killed her daughter in a rage. She struck JonBenet over the head with the flashlight....or possibly pushed her and struck her head on the toilet or bathtub.

Patsy was not changing a wet JonBenet....she was cleaning a soiled JonBenet. Let's not forget the soiled play pants JonBenet wore during Christmas day...found in her bathroom floor. The soiled size six panties are missing?

JonBenet did not bathe Christmas day...she only changed into her Gap outfit. Would a six-year-old change her soiled underwear....my guess is no. She wore her soiled panties to the Whites....(I say this only because no feces was found on the size 12 panties) and then wiped down by Patsy during their routine 12pm potty check. Try wiping down a soiled six-year-old who hated to be awakened and is kicking and screaming bloody murder. It was that moment that Patsy lost it.

My belief is that Steve Thomas theory about Patsy killing JonBenet over bed-wetting is misleading. Steve Thomas knows that it was over soiling, not bed wetting only he could not or would not say it publicly.

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Is it documented in any transcripts that there was a routine "12AM potty check" done at the Ramsey home?

If so, PR obviously would have said she didn't do one on this night.
Was PR questioned as to why she apparently did not do one on the night of the 26th?

 

[Maybe So]

The more ideas I read the more confused I get!
Help!

I had thought the blow to the head came first, as much
as 20 to 60 min. before the strangulation. Also that it was
to the side of the head and that JB had to have been in a
vertical position at the time.

I thought it was a proven fact that the strangulation by
the garrotte was the final cause of death!

If the blow came first--

I can picture a scene which includes the pineapple which was found in JB's stomach and hasn't been included in any of the above theories. Patsy, and Burke's prints are on the bowl and JonBenet ate some of it, so it seems important to the evening.

Did JonBenet while sitting at the table with Patsy, say
something to enrage her so much that she picked up the
flashlight and bashed her in the head?

Maybe Patsy was scolding JB and she said something like-

"Well anyhow, I'm prettier than you or Daddy loves
me more or I'm telling the secret!"

Patsy's reaction? How dare you!!

She grabs the flashlight and bashes JB aside the head with it. JonBenet falls to the floor unconscious.

Just a idea of how the horrific events of the night could have begun.

I keep trying to fit the pineapple into all these theories too.

So many say PR was in a rage over bedwetting......so she found the bed wet and then flew into a rage...got to the kitchen clamed down and fed JBR pineapple...then went back into a rage and killed her ??? That don't make sense to me.

Neither does PR finding JR molesting JBR goes into a rage and kills her....cause when did she eat the pineapple then? Did JR take JBR down to have some pinapple before or during molesting her????

Feeding JBR pineapple doesn't fit in with so many of the scenarios I have read.

 

[LinasK]

Did JR take JBR down to have some pinapple before or during molesting her????

Feeding JBR pineapple doesn't fit in with so many of the scenarios I have read.

Before of course...

 

[UKGuy]

Patsy requested that Pam Paugh retrieve the MyTwinnDoll during her visit to the home Dec 26. Why Patsy would want a doll JonBenet did not care for is open to interpretation.

I too believe Patsy killed her daughter in a rage. She struck JonBenet over the head with the flashlight....or possibly pushed her and struck her head on the toilet or bathtub.

Patsy was not changing a wet JonBenet....she was cleaning a soiled JonBenet. Let's not forget the soiled play pants JonBenet wore during Christmas day...found in her bathroom floor. The soiled size six panties are missing?

JonBenet did not bathe Christmas day...she only changed into her Gap outfit. Would a six-year-old change her soiled underwear....my guess is no. She wore her soiled panties to the Whites....(I say this only because no feces was found on the size 12 panties) and then wiped down by Patsy during their routine 12pm potty check. Try wiping down a soiled six-year-old who hated to be awakened and is kicking and screaming bloody murder. It was that moment that Patsy lost it.

My belief is that Steve Thomas theory about Patsy killing JonBenet over bed-wetting is misleading. Steve Thomas knows that it was over soiling, not bed wetting only he could not or would not say it publicly.

Toltec,

mmmm, well who ever said JonBenet went to bed wearing her underwear?

Was this normal practise, did JonBenet wear underwear to bed, a girl known to wet the bed?

JonBenet may have been dead prior to 12pm, killed while still wearing her day-clothes.

If Patsy fussed over JonBenet wearing the white gap top to the Whites, she will have made sure JonBenet wore clean underwear, cannot have our pageant queen visiting the Whites dirty, she knows what has happened there before.

(I say this only because no feces was found on the size 12 panties)

Absence of evidence is not proof of prior existence.

IMO JonBenet was manually strangled the rest is staging, and if the whack on the head is not staging then someone wanted JonBenet dead and silenced so much, they strangled and whacked her on the head, thats no accident!

Rather than toilet rage, it was more likely to be loss of authority rage carried over from the refusal to wear the red turtleneck. The MyTwinnDoll is an another example of JonBenet rejecting Patsy. Factor in prior sexual abuse and you have a cocktail of emotions bubbling away.

The size-6 underwear may be missing because they contain forensic evidence e.g. semen, fibers, blood etc, rather than urine or feces.

There were soiled size-6 undwerwear lying on bathroom floor, so why leave those and remove the pair she was wearing?

If JonBenet's death was unintentional and an accident, why was she not rushed to the hospital, she was when Burke whacked her on the head?


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[K. Taylor]

Diane Downs had lots of emotional issues....so did Susan Smith for that matter.

You don't think Patsy had emotional problems?

What is the obvious signpost that a mother is going to kill her kids? Diane Downs was promiscuous and known to be jealous and possessive with her boyfriends. So are hundreds of other women, so how did you know she was going to kill her kids? Susan Smith had had emotional problems as a teenager after being molested by her stepfather. So do a lot of teenagers, and Susan appeared to be coping well. She volunteered in her community, got excellent grades, was considered friendly and "down to earth" by those who knew her. She had a good job, her divorce had been amicable and she appeared to be a loving mother. So what was your clue that she was going to murder her kids?

The fact is you didn't know - no one did. It's only in retrospect that we can look for clues as to their emotional state, but that still doesn't mean we'll ever know WHY. We know the facts of the Smith or Downs cases but that still doesn't mean we understand why they did it. Neither Diane or Susan had any hisotry of previously abusing their children before they killed them. You want there to be signposts and a clear M.O. that mothers were murder adhere to. There aren't. No one knows why some women snap under situations that 99% of mothers cope with. You find it hard to believe Patsy would flip out over a bedwetting accident or something similar? Most people find it hard to believe a woman would kill her children just because a boyfriend broke up with her - and yet it happened.

 

[twinkiesmom]

If the head blow came first, explain why her entire cranium didn't fill with blood? If you've seen the pictures of her skull, it was split from end to end.

Wecht's theory involved her accidently going unconscious due to pressure on her vagal nerve of her neck and the head blow following.

He did not believe the head blow came first due to the lack of a significant quantity of blood in the head.

If you want to come up with a head blow first theory, you have to be able to explain the lack of a of blood inside the head from that wound.

 

[southcitymom]

If the head blow came first, explain why her entire cranium didn't fill with blood? If you've seen the pictures of her skull, it was split from end to end.

Wecht's theory involved her accidently going unconscious due to pressure on her vagal nerve of her neck and the head blow following.

He did not believe the head blow came first due to the lack of a significant quantity of blood in the head.

If you want to come up with a head blow first theory, you have to be able to explain the lack of a of blood inside the head from that wound.

I thought there was some good information on this thread regarding the head injury which helps to understand how it could have come first. This thread touches on the blood evidence and the head injury. Most experts think the head injury came first.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42700

 

[michelle]

MaybeSo--so you believe that "most mothers that kill their kids have mental problems"? well,that would be easier to accept,wouldn't it? do you happen to have any statistics that back your belief? If this is true,then why is Diane Downs in prison for life for shooting her three kids?? Why is Susan Smith in prison for lifefor murdering her two sons/? Why is Darlie Routier on death row for stabbing to death her two sons? Why did a mother here recently stand by and watch her 5 year old get beaten to death by her boyfriend because she defecated on the floor? only Andrea Yates supports your theory and that took 2 trials

Susan did have mental problems, and darlie says she is innocent, lol...

 

[WolfmarsGirl]

I like option #1, wmg! I too, think a struggle ensued whereby Patsy shook JBR with both hands (or pulled the shirt tight, around her neck) and swung her into the tub, creating the fracture. She, in a fit of panic, used the garrote to confuse the investigators.

Someone above asked if Patsy was "into" True Crime. I have not heard anything as far as that goes, but there was a crime book next to John's side of the bed. Mind Hunter by former FBI profile John Douglas. (I have never read the book, but read a comment by another poster that there is a section about "crime scene staging".)

I am not sure if she was into true crime...Didn't she mention the Susan Smith case on at least one occasion?

I think the turtleneck scenario is very likely based on PR's reaction when she saw a photo of the shirt (in one of the interviews, too tired to look for it, but it is there).

I also had a similar turtleneck episode with my then four-year-old wolfkid - well not really that similar, heaven help me - where I was trying to pull it on her and she was trying to get it off. She ended up running away from me, but she started her get-away by leaning forward. Of course, I let go as soon as she wriggled...Needless to say, she has never worn a turtleneck again -and this was more than four years ago!

This scenario would also account for the probable fingernail marks on JBR's neck.

 

[T-Rex]

Sleep deprivation?

I think the party was on the 23rd, so Patsy must have gotten up early, then stayed up late cleaning afterwards.
The 24th she was busy with last-minute Christmas wrapping, then probably stayed up late putting things under the tree.
The 25th the kids woke her up early, then, after a very long day, when everyone else got to go to bed, she STILL had work to do--and an alarm set for 5:30AM the next morning.

I always thought the "Melatonin tablet" John mentioned was a tacit agreement between him and Patsy that he wasn't responsible for what happened during the night.

 

[Maybe So]

You don't think Patsy had emotional problems?

What is the obvious signpost that a mother is going to kill her kids? Diane Downs was promiscuous and known to be jealous and possessive with her boyfriends. So are hundreds of other women, so how did you know she was going to kill her kids? Susan Smith had had emotional problems as a teenager after being molested by her stepfather. So do a lot of teenagers, and Susan appeared to be coping well. She volunteered in her community, got excellent grades, was considered friendly and "down to earth" by those who knew her. She had a good job, her divorce had been amicable and she appeared to be a loving mother. So what was your clue that she was going to murder her kids?

The fact is you didn't know - no one did. It's only in retrospect that we can look for clues as to their emotional state, but that still doesn't mean we'll ever know WHY. We know the facts of the Smith or Downs cases but that still doesn't mean we understand why they did it. Neither Diane or Susan had any hisotry of previously abusing their children before they killed them. You want there to be signposts and a clear M.O. that mothers were murder adhere to. There aren't. No one knows why some women snap under situations that 99% of mothers cope with. You find it hard to believe Patsy would flip out over a bedwetting accident or something similar? Most people find it hard to believe a woman would kill her children just because a boyfriend broke up with her - and yet it happened.

My point had nothing to do with being able to predict that people who have problems will become murderers or who will snap....just that murdering mothers will have a history of problems....I don't necessarily mean someone just snapping and killing their child by total accident ....I mean the ones who do horrible things to their children...JBR wasn't just killed...she was bludgeoned, violated with a paint brush and garotted...I don't know about you but I don't read about that kind of thing being done to a child by their parents very often...and when I do the parents are usually total whack jobs or pretty obviously having mental or emotional issues.

I think what I stated was very clear and am not sure why people interpret what I have said as something different than what I said.

Not everyone with problems will be a killer. But most killers will show to have been having problems or behaviors in their life that in retrospect will explain why or how they did what they did. I hardly think Patsy would have killed JBR because she wanted a new boyfriend who didn't like kids the way Susan Smith did...Susan Smith may have been coping but she obviously wasn't coping very well now was she?

I don't find it hard to believe that a woman would kill her kid for bedwetting...I find it hard to believe that this Patsy killed her kid for bedwetting. Some emotional wreck or a woman or a drug user or an abusive or psychotic mother might do it....lash out in anger ....but even then....only a few of them would go beyond killing into the regions that this murder went with the overkill of the garotte and the paintbrush. I tend to think that a parent or any person who does that sort of thing would be a bit out of the ordinary having in the past showing some signs that they were this brutal of a person.

As I have stated other times...if it was just the head bash and the ransom note I would think Patsy might have just snapped but the garotte and the paint brush put this in the realm of someone very disturbed having had to have done it.

JMHO if anyone gets what I am trying to say LOL I may not express myself clearly.

BTW I dont think it impossible PR killed JBR it just isn't what I think is probable.

 

[K. Taylor]

Not everyone with problems will be a killer. But most killers will show to have been having problems or behaviors in their life that in retrospect will explain why or how they did what they did.

That's the key, in RETROSPECT. In retrospect I think there's plenty of evidence that Patsy had problems in retrospect.

You said mothers who murder their children like that all had history of mental problems and being "whack jobs" that was evident before their crimes. So prior to killing their kids, what was so unusual about Diane and Susan that made them "whack jobs"? The answer is nothing. Prior to killing their kids, they had emotional problems, sure, but nothing that would stand them out above most other people. Diane was overly jealous of her boyfriends and tended to sleep around. That's what makes her a "whack job"? Susan Smith had swallowed a bottle of Aspirin when she was a teenager and had busted her stepfather for molesting her. That makes her a "whack job" that signals her as a child murderer? Your point was that nothing in in Patsy's history points to her killing her child - but with two other women, Diane Downs and Susan Smith, there was also nothing to point that they would cold-bloodedly murder their kids. They didn't have a history of beating their kids, they didn't have a history of violence - they were seen as regular moms you find in any neighborhood in America. Sure, they had boyfriend or family problems, but who doesn't. So my question to you is what exactly in their past do you see as being so different and made them "whack jobs" and so different from Patsy?

 

[southcitymom]

SouthCityMom: I'm not sure of course, but I don't think that "the blow to the head must come first", if a preson subscribes to the RDI theory. I guess at the very least, the "order" in which the injuries occured, might be more closely (if not exactly) associated with the motive.

So although I think it is a likely scenario that an MRDI (Male Ramsey Did It), I think the order in which the injuries occurred is different. Not sure if you were thinking that PR did it.

You know you are absolutely right. When I was posting that opinion, I was thinking about my particular theory which leads more to PR accidentally causing the head blow. But if you subscribe to a MRDI theory, certainly the strangulation could have come first.

 

[sandraladeda]

Maybe So, I think it would be very simplistic to say "she killed her kid for bedwetting", as if Patsy said "you have wet the bed one time too many. Your punishment is death!"

Consider, though, the fact that Linda Hoffman Pugh, the housekeeper had witnessed Patsy raging at JB over toileting issues. There is some documented evidence (which I am too lazy to dig up right now) of parents resorting to corporal punishment for toileting issues, and the punishment is very much like molestation - it's not sexually motivated, it is motivated out of anger and as punishment. I picture something like "let's GET YOU CLEANED UP! OH! IS THAT TOO ROUGH? MAYBE NEXT TIME YOU'LL TRY HARDER TO MAKE IT TO THE TOILET!!" as JB is roughly "cleaned up" in a very abusive fashion.

Can you wrap your head around the possibility of an escalation in angry treatment of JBR by Patsy? I can.

So, many people believe that PR lashed out angrily at JBR, not in a purposeful plan to kill her, but in anger, and to punish. For whatever reason an accident occurs in the course of her punishment (I picture PR angrily thrusting/hurling JB to the bed, only, to her horror, to ram her head onto a large maglite, hidden under the covers) and PR feels responsible (others believe she whacked her head against the tub, toilet, etc.) In fact, she feels so responsible, that her first instinct is "how can I get out of this?"

If a perfectly normal(according to you, that is, a mother who has never shown signs of being disturbed prior to this incident) suddenly found herself in this situation in which her actions have killed her daughter and her first instinct is how do I explain this/escape responsibility for this - what are her options?

What do you think her options were?

Get the body out of the house! (stage kidnapping to explain missing body)

But wait! If I dump the body, my baby may not ever get a decent burial - hey? doesn't it say something about that in the ransom novel? -and-

But wait! What if someone sees me drive out, how will I explain that? (stage deviant sex assault)

But wait! Which story should I use? Kidnap? Perverted intruder?
(back and forth, thoughts in a frenzy, morning comes, go with both stories, just can't think this straight through, I'm so in shock, but I've already made a plan, I can't untie her or undo the sexual assault evidence, I'm at the point of no return, we're expected to fly out in an hour or so....)

So no, PR did not "kill her cuz she wet the bed" but perhaps wetting the bed led to the unfortunate punishment.

The second point I want to address is the sexual assault with the paint brush. No, I don't believe PR would sexually assault her daughter with a paint brush either. But I don't consider it a sexual assault. I consider it staging, to make it look like she was sexaully assaulted. Same with the garotte - no, I don't think PR would really garotte her daughter, but I believe she would stage it (with or without JR's help)

And finally, to say that for someone to do something as warped as this, they had to have shown signs of being disturbed before, there is emotion, but no logic to this, as every perpetrator has a first offense. And first offenses happen all the time, and friends and family shake their heads in shock, saying they didn't see this coming, there was no indiction, this perp was the salt of the earth, etc.

imho

 

[newtv]

Please read Andrew G Hodges' "A Mother gone Bad" It thoroughly explains how
"nice people" could kill their own daughter. Moreover, it details all the psychological factors contributing to this "perfect storm" event.

I dont need reading lists believe me-i am not unaware of that-I dont believe it happened in this case

 

[newtv]

Maybe So, I think it would be very simplistic to say "she killed her kid for bedwetting", as if Patsy said "you have wet the bed one time too many. Your punishment is death!"

Consider, though, the fact that Linda Hoffman Pugh, the housekeeper had witnessed Patsy raging at JB over toileting issues. There is some documented evidence (which I am too lazy to dig up right now) of parents resorting to corporal punishment for toileting issues, and the punishment is very much like molestation - it's not sexually motivated, it is motivated out of anger and as punishment. I picture something like "let's GET YOU CLEANED UP! OH! IS THAT TOO ROUGH? MAYBE NEXT TIME YOU'LL TRY HARDER TO MAKE IT TO THE TOILET!!" as JB is roughly "cleaned up" in a very abusive fashion.

Can you wrap your head around the possibility of an escalation in angry treatment of JBR by Patsy? I can.

So, many people believe that PR lashed out angrily at JBR, not in a purposeful plan to kill her, but in anger, and to punish. For whatever reason an accident occurs in the course of her punishment (I picture PR angrily thrusting/hurling JB to the bed, only, to her horror, to ram her head onto a large maglite, hidden under the covers) and PR feels responsible (others believe she whacked her head against the tub, toilet, etc.) In fact, she feels so responsible, that her first instinct is "how can I get out of this?"

If a perfectly normal(according to you, that is, a mother who has never shown signs of being disturbed prior to this incident) suddenly found herself in this situation in which her actions have killed her daughter and her first instinct is how do I explain this/escape responsibility for this - what are her options?

What do you think her options were?

Get the body out of the house! (stage kidnapping to explain missing body)

But wait! If I dump the body, my baby may not ever get a decent burial - hey? doesn't it say something about that in the ransom novel? -and-

But wait! What if someone sees me drive out, how will I explain that? (stage deviant sex assault)

But wait! Which story should I use? Kidnap? Perverted intruder?
(back and forth, thoughts in a frenzy, morning comes, go with both stories, just can't think this straight through, I'm so in shock, but I've already made a plan, I can't untie her or undo the sexual assault evidence, I'm at the point of no return, we're expected to fly out in an hour or so....)

So no, PR did not "kill her cuz she wet the bed" but perhaps wetting the bed led to the unfortunate punishment.

The second point I want to address is the sexual assault with the paint brush. No, I don't believe PR would sexually assault her daughter with a paint brush either. But I don't consider it a sexual assault. I consider it staging, to make it look like she was sexaully assaulted. Same with the garotte - no, I don't think PR would really garotte her daughter, but I believe she would stage it (with or without JR's help)

And finally, to say that for someone to do something as warped as this, they had to have shown signs of being disturbed before, there is emotion, but no logic to this, as every perpetrator has a first offense. And first offenses happen all the time, and friends and family shake their heads in shock, saying they didn't see this coming, there was no indiction, this perp was the salt of the earth, etc.

imho

most people who murder are at the very least found to be living a double life-nothing about that has ever turned up-believe me if there was any dirt on the ramseys it would be used against them..
its not as if we dont grasp what you and the guilties arre saying-we dont agree..its painful to watch some of u attempt to educate the not guilties-its that we dont agree-not that we are stupid or ignorant.

 

[lovebites]

Very interesting scenarios, NuisanceP. I admit, I am on the fence having coffee with the others :banghead:

Unexplained Last Calls to the Doctor/School Nurse Visit.
Yes! thank you! Agreed. Those last calls to the doctor, and the visit to the school nurse (I didn't know about the nurse visit), has always struck me as very odd. I think Patsy thought something was not right, as well.

However, if Patsy was doing something as punishment, (don't really care to elaborate), I speculate that Patsy would not have been so willing to take her to the doctor all of those times, and towards the end, to make those last calls. If PR was hiding something, we might have seen evidence of her taking JBR to more than one pediatrician. We don't see that, as far as I can tell. So, I am hesitant to accept this theory, but am open to the remote possisbility.

I wonder if, rather than PR "abusing" JBR, PR might have simply been fed up with the daily/nightly (or whatever) task of getting the bed and JBR cleaned up. Maybe sometimes, PR didn't use a lot of patience, and made a rather hasty and heavy handed/quick pass at the "clean up". Not such a bad idea, if a mother suspects that her child is not motivated to work on bladder control, because - hey, someone will get her cleaned up good as new. So I am open to this scenario, being one possible reason why someone might extrapolate beyond what might have been Patsy's typical routine. I also want to keep in mind, that a child who wets/soils their bed/clothes, is likely to have some other skin irritations in that "area", if they remain in their wet underwear for a period of time, like overnight.

Someone Else in JBR's Life?
Whether or not someone else (friend, family member) had inappropriate contact with JBR, which caused this bed wetting anxiety, as you suggest - is quite possible indeed. Patsy naively trotted JBR around the pageant scene, enjoying the attention that both of them received. Regrettably, I think Patsy wanted to pack in a lifetime of mother-daughter bonding and activities, into JBR's tiny life. Yet I think Patsy was no fool, when it came to the reality of her life expectancy. She was diagnosed in 1993. I think this is why everything Patsy did, was so over-the-top. Pageants, Christmas decorations, travel, all of it. The clock was ticking. I think Patsy was completely oblivious to the danger of having a little "pageant princess", be the object of so many pairs of eyes. Jealousy and desire, are words that describe the danger that comes to mind.

Upon Discovery of JBR, Patsy Called 911, not JR
This is another incident, that steers me away from Patsy; I always thought this was very odd. Even Patsy herself, said that she wondered if the individual(s) were "watching", and would know they called the police; the ransom letter said not to call anyone. She wondered to herself, "Should I have called the police? They said not to call" This is not exact quote, just general idea of the thought she related within the context of an interview that I believe was conducted by BPD.

Yet JR said to call 911, so she called. It kind of gave me the sense of the dymanic between PR and JR. PR was kind of "voice actiated", and may not have ever questioned JR's logic or explanation for things. And then of course we all know, that JR set about calling all of those other people. WTF? Sorry to be so rude, but for Cryin'OutLoud, wouldn't he have wanted to be low key - and at least "appear" to follow the instructions of the ransom letter? That was, and remains very odd to me.

I surely would not have wanted to risk appearing as though I disregarded ransom instructions. It would seem that:
1. JR knew there was no kidnapping. Which, at a very elemental level, suggests that...
2. JR knew that "something else" had happened. Which suggests that...
3. JR knew who might have done this, such that,
4. JR engaged in what some call a public relations/legal counsel backfire, and others call "obstruction" and cover up.

After seeing how freakishly similar JMKarr's writing was, to the ransom letter, I am not ready to pronounce the author of the RL to be Patsy. But I am open to the possibility (of JR demanding that she write it, to save the family from certain destruction).

Your post really has me thinking. I've never wanted to believe it was the Ramsey's but I still theorize and your post has prompted a theory. At this point I'd like to say up front that most theories including my own, just seem so improbable but here goes...
Let's say that due to JB's chronic infections, Patsy began to suspect that JB was being molested and after pondering it (was even looking it up in the dictionary) was finally ready to ask the doctor point blank about it. Never thinking it could be her husband, she discusses the possibility of it being Burke with John. Now let's say John IS the one who's molesting JB and now knows that Patsy is about to actively seek answers from the doctor (also that she suspects Burke and not him), so HE kills JB (so as to keep her from finding out differently), sexually assaulting her with a small object (to replicate that it could have been Burke). He wakes Patsy in a panic and tells her (for whatever reason) that he's found JB and that Burke has killed her and they must hurriedly figure out what to do to protect him. He could even have convinced her that somehow it was her fault (bad mothering) and out of guilt she never really presses Burke about what happened, hence she continues to believe it was Burke but it was John.
Far fetched, I know but it's a thought.