If you look at it logically it's very clear who did it!

[Izzylizzy]

June 8,2005

'What do JonBenet's clothes say?'​

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Thread 'What do JonBenet's clothes say?'

Jun 8, 2005

from the Patsy Ramsey interrogation (excerpts) interview June 1998, as transcribed by ACR:
PR: (looking through photo album) "Looks like the little red turtleneck, little cotton red turtleneck that I wanted her to wear to the White's and she didn't want to wear."

Det. Tom Haney: "How did it end up there?"

PR: (looking through photo album): "Well," (Patsy then very quietly begins to cry)

Det. Tom Haney: "It's about 10:25; you want to take a break?"

PR: (Patsy crying..muffled) "Sorry." (Muffled)

Interrogation tape appears to break here and a new conversation...

• Nehemiah
• Replies: 214
• Forum: JonBenet Ramsey

 

[Izzylizzy]

Original Source Material

John Ramsey's 1997 Interview

John Ramsey's 1998 Interview

John Ramsey's 2000 Interview

Patsy Ramsey's 1997 Interview

Patsy Ramsey's 1998 Interview

Patsy Ramsey's 2000 Interview

 

[Bekind89]

Thank you ! THANK YOU!

, I thought it was just me.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

, I thought it was just me.

No. I finally gave up. Maybe we should all do an experiment where we have wet ink on our hand for an entire day!
Maybe not....

 

[Bekind89]

No. I finally gave up. Maybe we should all do an experiment where we have wet ink on our hand for an entire day!
Maybe not....

It gave me a two Excedrin tablet headache.

 

[CrimeTheorist]

How many people have said that JBR wasn't watched closely? I'm pretty sure LHP did... but did anyone else? Because if you can prove that's true than why would someone break into the house at all? It sounds like they could have taken her when she was out riding her bike or playing.

 

[Ponytale]

Do we know where the towel (or whatever it was) that was used to wipe her went?

No, it has never been located.

 

[Ponytale]

My question was more about the need to wipe her down and the fact she was swabbed for evidence. I think one examiner stated the injury to her would have been very painful. That satisfies my feeling that something bad happened that night. I am more curious if we have all the results.

Sorry, I misunderstood you.
Yes, it was stated that it would have been painful and caused more bleeding that was visible.
Bad happened to her, that is for sure... ultimately it all lead to her death.
What I'm thinking is if and how is that SA connected with the staging?

 

[CloudedTruth]

Sorry, I misunderstood you.
Yes, it was stated that it would have been painful and caused more bleeding that was visible.
Bad happened to her, that is for sure... ultimately it all lead to her death.
What I'm thinking is if and how is that SA connected with the staging?

I believe this is probably the reason she was wiped down and changed, because there was blood. Swabs of her thighs found traces of blood, whoever wiped her down didn't get it all. If you're using the same towel or cloth it's difficult to know that you're not just redepositing from what is now present on the cloth. Often times there is residual bleeding that occurs after the fact. Could have been present internally and leaked out later.

I am of the opinion that the SA with the paint brush was part of the staging, the purpose of which was two fold. Meant to make it look like a sex crime, and also an attempt to hide the previous SA.

 

[Bean&Cheese]

Any thoughts on Nancy Kreb’s account of having undergone SA like JBR and her knowing Fleet White?

Here is her story:

Background information on NANCY KREBS

DA pursues new Ramsey lead Hunter asks police to investigate woman's story of sex abuse By Barrie Hartman Camera Staff Writer February 25, 2000 District Attorney Alex Hunter has turned over new information to Boulder police and the FBI that he says could provide a major breakthrough...

jonbenetramseymurder.discussion.community

 

[Bean&Cheese]

Any thoughts on Nancy Kreb’s account of having undergone SA like JBR and her knowing Fleet White?

Here is her story:

Background information on NANCY KREBS

DA pursues new Ramsey lead Hunter asks police to investigate woman's story of sex abuse By Barrie Hartman Camera Staff Writer February 25, 2000 District Attorney Alex Hunter has turned over new information to Boulder police and the FBI that he says could provide a major breakthrough...

jonbenetramseymurder.discussion.community

I wonder if Michael Boykin’s DNA (or whoever wore the Santa Suit at the California party) was ever tested because perhaps the SA offender was in the Santa Suit (with beard and all) and that is how the UM1 saliva mixed with blood (he may have put his mouth on her down there as gross as that is to think about). It’s possible that the Ramseys (or Patsy herself) knowingly gave access to JBR thinking that the offender was just going to “pay a special visit as Santa” (but, knew that there was a past of sexual assault or at least a rumor?). Far fetched, I know. But, if there is evidence for both sides of (RDI and that an IDI), then perhaps that means the truth lies somewhere in between.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Any thoughts on Nancy Kreb’s account of having undergone SA like JBR and her knowing Fleet White?

Here is her story:

Background information on NANCY KREBS

DA pursues new Ramsey lead Hunter asks police to investigate woman's story of sex abuse By Barrie Hartman Camera Staff Writer February 25, 2000 District Attorney Alex Hunter has turned over new information to Boulder police and the FBI that he says could provide a major breakthrough...

jonbenetramseymurder.discussion.community

A very long article with NK towards the end.

'JonBenét Ramsey: How the Investigation Got Derailed — and Why It Still Matters'​

'What's changed since we published this story on Colorado's coldest case ten years ago? Not much'.
By Alan Prendergast
November 30, 2024

JonBenét Ramsey: How the Investigation Got Derailed — and Why It Still Matters

What's changed since we published this story on Colorado's coldest case ten years ago? Not much.

www.westword.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

NK's police interviews.


- 2000-02-22 Nancy Krebs: Boulder PD Interview Part 1 (Part 1 - 308kb .pdf File)
- 2000-02-22 Nancy Krebs: Boulder PD Interview Part 2 (Part 2 - 1505kb .pdf File)
- 2000-02-22 Nancy Krebs: Boulder PD Interview Part 3 (Part 3 - 1844kb .pdf File)
- 2000-02-22 Nancy Krebs: Boulder PD Interview Part 4 (Part 4 - 1195kb .pdf File)
- 2000-02-22 Nancy Krebs: Boulder PD Interview Part 5 (Part 5 - 1409kb .pdf File)
- 2000-02-22 Nancy Krebs: Boulder PD Interview Part 6 (Part 6 - 999kb .pdf File)


Scroll down to NK's interviews with Det. Trujillo.

s-Flight755-15thStreet.htm

JonBenet Ramsey Case Transcripts

www.acandyrose.com

 

[Slebby]

There was DNA from family members found on her. And it is logical to assume that all of their DNA can be found anywhere in the house. But what does it prove other than they lived in the same house and were relatives? Nothing.

This is why I find it unremarkable that JR is pushing to have more dna testing done. He has nothing to lose. If it’s R dna, of course it’s there, easily explained by living in the same home. If it’s foreign but can’t be identified, aha! Must be the killer, some nameless faceless intruder.
Of course, if it’s is a match to someone, known, either in their circle of friends/family or known as in CODIS match, that would give the investigation some new life. I suspect, if tested, the dna of UM will not yield an identifiable UM.
IMHO

 

[Ponytale]

I am of the opinion that the SA with the paint brush was part of the staging, the purpose of which was two fold. Meant to make it look like a sex crime, and also an attempt to hide the previous SA.

It is a possibility that I too consider often, and it's possible that it could very well be the truth.
I tend to separate it in my theory only because I find it hard to believe that John or Patsy would actually go that far. Nothing else. I know it is possible and parents too far worse things to their children, but somehow every time I think of it I come to believe that it also could have been separate from the staging and rather like to believe it was so...
Nothing else but my own "gut feeling" only, like one other poster recently mentioned. But I do not claim it to be the truth or try to persuade others to think that it must have been so. I only see it as one possibility as nothing actually can prove that it could not have been so too.

 

[Ponytale]

This is why I find it unremarkable that JR is pushing to have more dna testing done. He has nothing to lose. If it’s R dna, of course it’s there, easily explained by living in the same home. If it’s foreign but can’t be identified, aha! Must be the killer, some nameless faceless intruder.
Of course, if it’s is a match to someone, known, either in their circle of friends/family or known as in CODIS match, that would give the investigation some new life. I suspect, if tested, the dna of UM will not yield an identifiable UM.
IMHO

Yes, I think the same.
And by pushing it out publicly he is showing himself as a good father who fights for his daughters justice. Everyone sees, everyone believes. If nothing else, it serves a purpose too.

 

[OneLove]

A couple of things that truly astound me in this case, amomg many, are:

What on earth? JR was apparently “missing” for an hour on the morning-of? How was even letting either of the Ramsey’s out of sight permissible? Perhaps at the very, very first, but then, I’d think, as LE got control of the investigation, everyone would be accounted for. LE can’t automatically assume that every parent is telling the truth and there are no ulterior motives. Perhaps this was simply incompetence, or perhaps it’s more related to the problem that as I see as infecting this case from very early on: Hands-off, assumption of innocence, simply because the Ramsey’s are who they are. If this happened in someone else’s house, I do believe the whole case might have been handled differently.

Secondly, JR found JBR and brought her upstairs himself (again, as mentioned earlier on here) in spite of having been instructed not to touch anything. I just can’t imagine any situation where a parent finds their daughter either brutally murdered or unresponsive, done at the hands of a criminal, and doesn’t yell out. I found her! My God! She’s here! Help! Something. It sounds to me that he fairly calmly walked up the stairs with her. I find that very strange.

On JR gping down and bringing JBR's body up rather than calling for help, I've thought it likely that JR stewed and stewed over the predicament then realized that only his prints were on the door and the hard-to-find light switch where JBR would inevitably be found. FW was sent down with the purpose of finding JBR & leaving his prints there also, creating at least 2 possible suspects & creating plausible deniability. When FW hadn't flipped that switch, JR realized he was cooked unless he went down again to flip it himself. I believe that's also why he removed the tape from her mouth and later picked it up again. Then he set about to cast all the suspicion he could on FW. Its also plausible that the couples friendship was due primarily to Patsy and PW's relationship and JR may have had resentment that FW was such a devoted and caring father.

 

[OneLove]

On JR gping down and bringing JBR's body up rather than calling for help, I've thought it likely that JR stewed and stewed over the predicament then realized that only his prints were on the door and the hard-to-find light switch where JBR would inevitably be found. FW was sent down with the purpose of finding JBR & leaving his prints there also, creating at least 2 possible suspects & creating plausible deniability. When FW hadn't flipped that switch, JR realized he was cooked unless he went down again to flip it himself. I believe that's also why he removed the tape from her mouth and later picked it up again. Then he set about to cast all the suspicion he could on FW. Its also plausible that the couples friendship was due primarily to Patsy and PW's relationship and JR may have had resentment that FW was such a devoted and caring father.

And further, if FW had "guilty knowledge" of having left JBR's dead body in that room, he would have certainly wanted to flip that switch again so he didn't have to explain why his prints/dna were already there. I believe he didn't find her because he didn't know she was there. That left JR in a pinch to get down there and leave his 2nd set of prints/dna.

 

[Bean&Cheese]

NK's police interviews.


- 2000-02-22 Nancy Krebs: Boulder PD Interview Part 1 (Part 1 - 308kb .pdf File)
- 2000-02-22 Nancy Krebs: Boulder PD Interview Part 2 (Part 2 - 1505kb .pdf File)
- 2000-02-22 Nancy Krebs: Boulder PD Interview Part 3 (Part 3 - 1844kb .pdf File)
- 2000-02-22 Nancy Krebs: Boulder PD Interview Part 4 (Part 4 - 1195kb .pdf File)
- 2000-02-22 Nancy Krebs: Boulder PD Interview Part 5 (Part 5 - 1409kb .pdf File)
- 2000-02-22 Nancy Krebs: Boulder PD Interview Part 6 (Part 6 - 999kb .pdf File)


Scroll down to NK's interviews with Det. Trujillo.

s-Flight755-15thStreet.htm

JonBenet Ramsey Case Transcripts

www.acandyrose.com

I’m still on part two. Thank you for these! Once I get through all of them, I’ll respond again.

 

[Chypre]

Someone who knew the family, someone JBR was very familiar with, someone who knew the layout of the Ramsey house, and someone who had keys to the house and wouldn't be questioned (much) if he were discovered there, wouldn't have any problem getting JBR to eat a little pineapple.

If only the monster inside him wouldn't have surfaced after that. But it did. And JBR paid the ultimate price for trusting the man.

All MOO

I wonder if house blueprints and renovations were kept by the town, and perhaps online in 1997.