If you were in charge of Kyron's investigation...

[Kat010]

I further disagree. Leaders also know all the "com" (data). We do not. How can we for one second place ourselves in the shoes of investigators who have the true case information???? And as for an investigation bearing fruit.... what if they have a tree with blossoms? Just saying that some times things take time. MOO

Just a note--I've walked into "problem" situations to take things over, and fix 'em, and not had all the data. So has every single friend and colleague of mine who's worked in upper-level management.

Bottom line: you go in with what you think you know. Then you get "hands on" and you start finding out "the rest of the story," which includes everything from data to human personalities and interactions.

 

[Kat010]

Ms.suzanne..this is interesting to say the least...is there a link to this info?

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Hi Kappy, thanks for chiming in. Suzanne has the links in the post. Look at the two longer underlined "headings" within the post, then click 'n go!

 

[Billylee]

Respectfully, I have to disagree. Remember, you're being asked to take a leadership position here. Leaders walk in the door with plans.

Remember those files I've asked Jason for? Once I pry Bean's sticky fingers off him long enough to get them, then I review what's there. And ask about things.

And then decide, based on things like length of time since interview, or new information, which of those things I want to re-visit. Then I decide if the same person (s) revist it or if I put new eyes on it.

If they've done xyz, fine. But if I'm in charge now, with an investigation that so far hasn't borne fruit, I'm going to look at everything that's been done--and everything that's not been done. I'm not going to ask people to "think outside the box"--I'm going to tell them to throw away any boxes they already have put together.

Yes, where is Jesse Stone when we need him!

 

[eyes4crime]

Checking the school buildings again is certainly one thing I would insist upon.

I ran across two articles today that caught my eye.

One article is about a recent find at another Portland Public School. Apparently, the principal at Ockley Green School asked the school custodian to help turn a little-used trailer behind the school into a classroom.

While cleaning out the trailer, the custodian found 17 dead pets in garbage bags, frozen solid in an upright freezer. There were six cats, two hamsters, two goldfish, two frogs, a guinea pig, a hedgehog, a parakeet, a lizard and a spider.

"A longtime volunteer said the animals were pets that had died of natural causes but it was too painful to part with them.

The volunteer was relieved from further duties. Police said she wasn’t cited because the animals had not been abused."

Pets in Freezer

The second article is about a case that has been ongoing in the East Bay area for the last couple of weeks. Every morning for this past week the morning news has shown police at an East Bay landfill looking for some guy's body. The case didn't particularly interest me, so I didn't follow the details, until today when I saw this article:

Hercules chief 'disappointed by errors that delayed discovery of body

"Police investigating the bloody trail of a multiple-killing spree that began two weeks ago should have found a body hidden in a Hercules house much sooner, the city's police chief said Friday.

Instead they found it Thursday afternoon during a cursory walk-through with FBI crime lab agents -- nearly two weeks after California Highway Patrol officers shot and killed the suspect, 38-year-old Efren Valdemoro, at the end of a chase.

"Clearly we failed to locate the body, and bring that loose end to a close," police Chief Fred Deltorchio said. "Obviously we did not conduct a good search the first time around.

"I'm very disappointed in the department's response, how we handled it," he added. "Unfortunately, we prolonged the wait for the family, if the body does prove to be Frederick Sales.""

more at link

So, that's one of the things I would do.

Six cats???

 

[just]

Another thing to look at please.They recently checked the school again?a scent of something?Kyron?death?What was that about and where was it at the school?Ok,I am done.For now.

I don't see any links above. Can someone re-post the story links? TIA

 

[emmcee]

Being a believer in Occams Razor, I believe that little boy is buried somewhere within a dozen miles of the school and he was dead on day one. If I were in charge I would coordinate continuous searches - grid by grid starting at the school and working outward. I would use dogs, psychics, volunteers from service organizations, boy scouts, seniors with time on their hands, housewives, hikers, gardeners, anyone available and willing to search for disturbed ground or other signs. It would all be well organized and coordinated from my desk and everything documented on a master map or grid. Every square foot would be checked on an ever-widening area.

 

[surrogatemom]

I would take advantage of my position of power to flirt outrageously with Jason Gates.

:blowkiss:

He's such a cutie.

Oh, good - I'm not the only one that finds him drool worthy. :blushing:

In reply to the OP, I don't know. I'd dive in and this case would probably become my life though.

 

[Billylee]

I just want to say, I don't think LE has missed the boat here. They brought in the big guns right of the bat (FBI, CARD, etc.). They grid searched the school area out two miles to start with and then out to five if I recall correctly. They used dogs, horses, choppers. The only weird thing I've seen from LE was the "stingy thingy". I do not know that they had not already interviewed the school groundskeeper, if they hadn't then that's a definite slap in their faces, but I don't know that, I find it really hard to believe that they hadn't. I think it was just the timing and way the media brought him to light that made it sound like he hadn't already been interviewed.

And since we have no idea what "major tons of EVIDENCE" they're analyzing (quoting Gates) , it'd be really hard to form any sort of opinion since we out here literally know of ZERO EVIDENCE.

So, I'm putting my faith in LE to get it right, even if that means they have to start over. Just get it right, find Kyron and seek justice.

 

[Billylee]

I don't see any links above. Can someone re-post the story links? TIA

The renewed search on August 9, I guess that's what the poster is referring to. ?


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/1...r-old-kyron-horman-new-case-details-released/

 

[crystalgenie]

I further disagree. Leaders also know all the "com" (data). We do not. How can we for one second place ourselves in the shoes of investigators who have the true case information???? And as for an investigation bearing fruit.... what if they have a tree with blossoms? Just saying that some times things take time. MOO

We can place ourselves in their shoes because that is what alot of us like to do.

It is easy to question what law enforcement is doingand how they are doing it because they haven't exactly presented themselves in the media very well and all is currently quiet.


They ask for tips (fred meyer and white truck) 2 months after a "crime" has been commited, when they knew this information within days of Kyron going missing, isn't instilling a lot of faith.

They don't want any volunteers out searching for Kyron just trained search and rescue? Most LE are asking for volunteers to be out searching. Especially people who are familiar with the area the person is missing in.

The failed MFH sting with the landscaper. That was just ridiculous.

They allowed Kyron's father, mother, and step-father to make all the inflammatory statements directed at TMH and imply that they were getting this info from the LE.

Now before I get flamed or banned let me state that I have two brothers involved in law enforcement and I am usually pro law enforcement. I believe in this case that a few errors were made early on and I sincerely hope that the LE has recovered from them.

I also know that most cases are not solved quickly and require time.

Kat started a great thread and I, for one, appreciate it. :dance:

We all want to bring Kyron home and it doesn't hurt for us to speculate and think of new ideas.

JMHO...

 

[cluciano63]

If some of us didn't question certain things being done or not done...what would we be discussing all day and night? There is not much to say when everyone agrees...

 

[just]

The renewed search on August 9, I guess that's what the poster is referring to. ?


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/1...r-old-kyron-horman-new-case-details-released/

Thanks Billylee - I don't see any 'whiff of death' in this article and maybe someone else has the link (I'll keep looking through posts) but I'm glad to see them covering their bases with a renewed search. I have always thought he was in Forest Park, if deceased, or that surrounding area. It's close to DDS and if you lived around here (maybe you do?), you'd take one look at the jungle type environment and realize the daunting task of finding anything out there. It's steep and wet and overgrown with every square inch covered by green vines or branches - dark from the canapy of the woods - just tough going.

 

[craftybatchy]

I would requisition any footage,( in particular that from private citizens) taken during during the candlelight vigil, moving of the Wall of Hope, birthday celebration hosted by Desiree and Tony, and the Godfathers Pizza fundraiser.

In line with what BDE posted previously, I would assemble a team of linguists, speech pathologists, body language/micro-expression experts, and behavior analysts to review footage frame by frame.

I would lock the school down and process it as a crime scene, something which I am not sure was ever done. Before anyone entered the building for processing, I would send in a dog team. I would then make use of an infrared camera, similar to what is used by rescue teams to locate survivors or recently deceased victims in buildings which have been damaged by any number of events. Use of the camera would assist in locating a victim who had perhaps been deliberately concealed by a perpetrator or who may have unwittingly become a victim of their own curiosity, becoming injured, stuck, etc. in a location which would generally prevent discovery during a cursory search.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Another thing to look at please.They recently checked the school again?a scent of something?Kyron?death?What was that about and where was it at the school?Ok,I am done.For now.

I think you may be remembering an allegation by Harry Oakes that his dogs gave a "death indication" while approaching the Horman property on Sheltered Nook Road.

If you check the Parking Lot forum, you'll see a discussion of that allegation (and of Mr Oakes).

As I recall, LE has searched the school repeatedly, including the roof and including using cadaver dogs. While there is a minuscule chance that Kyron's body could be in the school, I consider it about as likely as a killer asteroid destroying the earth tomorrow morning. The school is an enclosed area and it has been empty for two months, leading to ideal building search conditions.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Being a believer in Occams Razor, I believe that little boy is buried somewhere within a dozen miles of the school and he was dead on day one. If I were in charge I would coordinate continuous searches - grid by grid starting at the school and working outward. I would use dogs, psychics, volunteers from service organizations, boy scouts, seniors with time on their hands, housewives, hikers, gardeners, anyone available and willing to search for disturbed ground or other signs. It would all be well organized and coordinated from my desk and everything documented on a master map or grid. Every square foot would be checked on an ever-widening area.

That would cover over 450 square miles.

 

[2goldfish]

I would re-read gavin de becker's "gift of fear" and with the idea of "satellites" fresh in my mind, I would reinterview every single person involved down to the other children in the school...and then take the recordings to be listened to by others who've also re-read "the gift of fear" to keep an ear out for satellites.....with fresh ears.

..and if there are any satellites....and I am sure there are....the truth may then come to light more clearly.

 

[BeanE]

The renewed search on August 9, I guess that's what the poster is referring to. ?


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/1...r-old-kyron-horman-new-case-details-released/

I don't see anything about a smell in the school?

Ms. Suzanne, I would appreciate a link too.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Ms.suzanne..this is interesting to say the least...is there a link to this info?

I'm sorry.I do not know where it is.I'm trying to find out about it.If someone remembers this please share it with us ok?It was not long ago they checked the school again.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

The renewed search on August 9, I guess that's what the poster is referring to. ?


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/1...r-old-kyron-horman-new-case-details-released/

Thank you.I just remember I think they went back directly to check the school.I think they went with dogs?I think it was the search and rescue?I'm not sure who it was.I thought they smelled a scent?I do not know why they were there.I am trying to find that out.If any one remembers this please tell us ok?I am very interested in this.

 

[Oriah]

I would re-grid search the area surrounding and including Skyline, the Hormans home, Forest Park, and all ingress and egress routes surrounding each very carefully, with several very excellent FEMA certified HRD/land search dogs, who are not tired.

Just based upon the fact that this case has not been solved yet, Kyron has not been found, and despite the many crazy twists and turns here, when this much time has passed, most missing persons are found close to where they were last seen.