Found Deceased IL - Andrew Freund, 5, Crystal Lake, 17 April 2019 *Arrests* - #3

[borndem]

I thought about sub strips, where I live, they don’t prescribe sub’ to pregnant women.
But I’m sure they had it all. Or access to what they wanted.

bbm
Ummm, they don't prescribe to pregnant women. That's scary. If she got them legally, maybe she didn't appear pregnant, or perhaps AJ, Sr. got them.

I found several med articles about taking suboxone -- here is just a bit of one:

Risks of taking Suboxone while pregnant

Babies born to mothers who have used Suboxone during pregnancy may be at greater risk of neonatal withdrawal syndrome (NAS). This syndrome occurs when pregnant women use opioids and their babies become dependent upon them. Symptoms of NAS include tremors, excessive crying, issues falling asleep, high-pitched crying, tight muscle tone, hyperactive reflexes, seizures, stuffy nose, sneezing, poor feeding, vomiting, diarrhea, dehydration, sweating, and fever.

Taking Suboxone While Pregnant: What You Need to Know

 

[Trudie]

bbm
Ummm, they don't prescribe to pregnant women. That's scary. If she got them legally, maybe she didn't appear pregnant, or perhaps AJ, Sr. got them.

I found several med articles about taking suboxone -- here is just a bit of one:


Taking Suboxone While Pregnant: What You Need to Know

A lot of people hoard their strips, in case their dealer gets busted or is unavailable.
Very few doctors write Sub’ Rx.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Also: If you look at the group of photos from the day AJ had his haircut, there's a huge bruise on the side/back of his head behind his ear. I don't know when those were posted but if it was after March 3rd that head injury could have been affecting him slowly. MOO

Can you please post those photos?

 

[Whiteorchids]

There was a video of JC and the littlest one at the hotel pool. Does anybody know what date that was? Tia

I didn’t see this one with both boys. Can someone post?

 

[borndem]

Haven't caught up on thread. My apologies if this has already been posted.

'AJ' Freund told doctor of possible abuse months before he was murdered

Report: 'Maybe mommy didn't mean to hurt me'

(CNN) - Four months before Andrew "AJ" Freund's parents were charged with his murder, the 5-year-old shared information on possible abuse with a doctor in Illinois.

Police responding to a hotline report found a large bruise on AJ's hip in December. At first, he told investigators the bruise came from the family dog...

Oh, yes, I read that article, and when I saw the 'Maybe mommy didn't mean to hurt me' part, I just cried. And before that remark, he said something like, "Mommy may have hit me with a belt," or similar. He knew not to tell on Mommy. He may indeed have some type of LD, but that little boy was smart enuff not to tattle on Mommy.
I guess this kind of thing will never stop.

 

[Trudie]

bbm
Ummm, they don't prescribe to pregnant women. That's scary. If she got them legally, maybe she didn't appear pregnant, or perhaps AJ, Sr. got them.

I found several med articles about taking suboxone -- here is just a bit of one:


Taking Suboxone While Pregnant: What You Need to Know

If she had not murdered her son, how long would she have coped with an addicted, needy infant before hurling it against a wall, blaming the family dog?
AJ may have saved the baby.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Possibly the injuries inflicted upon him March 04 Left him brain dead? The monster duo knew they couldn’t present him to the ER blaming the dog, so in dire need of medical attention he was possibly confined to bed, while they pondered what to do?

I’m getting really sick thinking about his last day on earth. What a brutal slow painful death and an ice cold shower. Why did they make him suffer? monster Dad should have shot him with that gun he used to wear around the house. Quick and easy no sufferering. I hope they burn in hell.

 

[Trudie]

I’m getting really sick thinking about his last day on earth. What a brutal slow painful death and an ice cold shower. Why did they make him suffer? monster Dad should have shot him with that gun he used to wear around the house. Quick and easy no sufferering. I hope they burn in hell.

As previously mentioned, once the autopsy report is released, we will have more details. I’m sure we’ll be physically ill.
Per the shower, I’m not convinced the child was able to stand on the date of his death. Not after learning more about 03/04. I’m seriously wondering if he was left in a vegetative state then? We know the injuries attributed to his death, notbthe date of those injuries, afaik. Did they find him dead from his injuries and put him in the shower?

This case is another one that raises my blood pressure.
CA - Kylee Willis, 4, beaten to death for interrupting mom‘s boyfriend, Rancho Cucamonga, Mar 2019

 

[katydid23]

I am really worried about that poor unborn baby now. I had always thought they could treat addicted mothers with sub, to keep the unborn child from having withdrawals, in utero.

Hopefully the jail doctors do have ways to treat the child. IF anyone has experience with this situation, it is likely doctors of inmates. A lot of pregnant women get arrested and a lot of them are addicts.

 

[Simply Southern]

Here is what I got when I copied and pasted from Murdered boy's mom was former foster parent:

03/21/18: DCFS received a hotline report that alleged substantial risk of physical injury/injurious environment and environment neglect against the mother and father. The report alleged that the mother was brought to the emergency room after being found unresponsive in a car. Andrew was observed at the hospital to have odd bruising on his face. DCFS investigator contacted the parents in unsuccessful attempt to see the children on 03/21/18, 3/29/18 and 4/9/18.

04/25/18: DCFS investigator met with JoAnn, Andrew and his younger brother. JoAnn was interviewed while the boys played outside in the driveway of the home. DCFS investigator observed the boys to be clean and did not find signs of maltreatment.

I need to find the original press release from DCPS. It is clear once, again msm has conflicting information.

 

[katydid23]

I need to find the original press release from DCPS. It is clear once, again msm has conflicting information.

So Mom is found 'unresponsive in the car, with a very young, bruised child....and in the end CPS says there was no signs of maltreatment? How about passing out in a car with a beat up child?

 

[borndem]

JMO... JC got tired of AF “Grandpa”, and wanted somebody younger to party with. Eventually the new guy comes and lives with her, (although he went to jail last December I believe). AF reportedly bought/lived in that house for 14 years, so before he hooked up with JC. He stops making mortgage payments, JC no longer has her boyfriend there, tensions are high, and things spiral down).
Also JMO, usually babies born in prison are allowed to be with Mom for the first 24-48 hours. Knowing what she has participated in, the murder of A.J., she shouldn’t be allowed to ever hold or touch that newborn. I wouldn’t trust her. Ever.

I'm hoping that she won't even get the chance to hold him even if it would be allowed in her situation. That poor baby may be addicted even if the "mother" has de-toxed before the birth. (I don't know how that works when the mother de-toxes before the baby is born...)

I'm hoping that the baby, if s/he survives to be born alive, will be immediately classified as high-risk and will be taken from her immediately after the birth. And forevermore.
JMO

 

[Simply Southern]

A third party called the tipline and claimed she was unresponsive and taken to a hospital. The hospital itself did not phone the tipline. She may have been unresponsive due to alcohol for all we know or it may be a totally bogus tip.

JMO

Hospital and Dr. are mandated reported, they are required by Illinois law to compete a written report with documentation within 48hours of any report.
I do not see where hospital reported.

 

[Trudie]

I am really worried about that poor unborn baby now. I had always thought they could treat addicted mothers with sub, to keep the unborn child from having withdrawals, in utero.

Hopefully the jail doctors do have ways to treat the child. IF anyone has experience with this situation, it is likely doctors of inmates. A lot of pregnant women get arrested and a lot of them are addicts.

Oh, I disagree about jail doctors having the necessary expertise. IMO, she needs to be on a fetal monitor, with a full OB staff on standby & an operating room ready to go.
In my state (KY) it is difficult to find a doctor that has privileges to write sub’ Rx.
I do think some doctors will write for a pregnant woman.
I know what the article says & all that but I’m not gonna say it won’t ever happen. If the woman is a heavy user, I think her OB would have to consider all options.
Idk...I’m not a doctor, I’m guessing.

 

[katydid23]

A lot of inmates give birth while incarcerated. I wonder if they have an OB office and equipment at the clinic there or do they send them to town to a hospital?

 

[borndem]

I don't think that JC and AJ were ever bonded. He was removed from in the post-natal period because she was abusing drugs and not returned until she filed when he was 2 years old. I had read here that the foster home he was in was a cousin of hers so maybe there was some contact? Hard to say. I'd think that they were still strangers to each other, and he could be showing some of the problems that addicted babies develop. And within a couple of months she was pregnant again, so the time and effort that she needed to put into being a mommy for AJ was quickly diverted to the new baby. It doesn't sound like she was using nearly as heavily during this pregnancy because we don't hear that P was ever taken from her.

AJ must have been aware at 3 years old that he was supplanted by a new child to whom she was bonded, and perhaps was an easier child to deal with. I'd guess he was acting out for attention and love. Which was only rewarded with cruelty.

Worst of all, it was tolerated, if not enabled, by his own father.

bbm
Thanks for the good post. ITA with all of it.
My thoughts exactly WRT to the bonding. There simply was none, and bonding during the first year of life is extremely important for well-rounded social development.
When he got back "home" to her, he was an unknown "thing" to her, and he didn't know who she was, either. But at 2 years old, he would understand the meaning of "mother." IMO, he was just in the way, as far as she was concerned, and he probably got whatever food was left over, etc., etc. And then comes another little person -- he was in second place well before that baby arrived. No chance at all for anything good happening to him.

 

[Simply Southern]

We will never know how this case was investigated. I found a primer for families being investigated (https://www.familydefensecenter.net...Responding-to-Investigations-Manual-FINAL.pdf) that could be interesting to read. It details the process from hotline call to interviews to medical review..... very interesting reading as the authors believe that DCFS overreaches.

I posted this earlier, it reads like a how to beat the child abuse charge.

 

[Trish51]

I think the injuries from 3/4/19 we're discovered after AJ was missing. LE would have to have proof of it or JC and/or AJ Sr would have to have confessed. I don't think they would have remembered that exact date specifically, especially if they were on drugs, but there may have been something on their phones. I'm think a text from JC to AF Sr stating AJ won't wake up, hence the cold shower. I'm just speculating here. It is possible that AJ died that day if no one saw him since then. But, who would really notice? Their "friends"?

I think if the neighbors posting that he was almost beat to death on that date there would be some record of it and AJ would not be with his parents. If a neighbor knew a severe beating took place and they didn't report it then shame on them! If I saw a child get beaten almost to death you can bet your ask I'm getting involved. So, until we know for sure via official documentation, I'd say it was hearsay unless the neighbor has video or pictures of the event, which, if they do, shame on them again. I'm going with something more concrete happened during the investigation. Something happened on that date with just JC and AJ.

JC's OB/GYN may not know that she is using. She may slip out without leaving a urine sample. I ask my daughter who works in OB/GYN and she says they usually can suspect it and it's more suspicious if they always don't leave a urine sample. The ones that admit to using, they treat with methadone. Usually, it's the hospital that gets DCFS involved after the baby is born and tests positive for any drugs.

 

[Trudie]

I'm hoping that she won't even get the chance to hold him even if it would be allowed in her situation. That poor baby may be addicted even if the "mother" has de-toxed before the birth. (I don't know how that works when the mother de-toxes before the baby is born...)

I'm hoping that the baby, if s/he survives to be born alive, will be immediately classified as high-risk and will be taken from her immediately after the birth. And forevermore.
JMO

Several pages back there’s quite a few links. It’s a given, the baby will be addicted if reports mom used are true.
An atty on HLN said the mom would have 24-48 hours with the baby, that is the law. However.....if the baby has health issues & goes to NICU I highly doubt the murderer will be roaming the halls, shuffling around in leg shackles, to visit NICU. Jmo
I’d like her to not even see the baby. She doesn’t deserve to, IMO & she’s not raising it so there’s no point. Moo

 

[Simply Southern]

Murdered boy's mom was former foster parent

In this timeline nothing noted in March.

Looking form the official release, I've look at 6 different articles so far and none of the dates are the same. WTH

DCOS does not list this press release on the website.