I'll be honest. The silence leads me to believe the prosecution does not have as solid of a case as they are trying to portray. (Shall I bring up when the Cubs were 6 outs away from going to the World Series... I almost got that kind of nagging feeling with this case. ) I just can not believe it is solely not having the official id on Toni's remains as a basis for the silence. Can anyone recall a case where LE did not at least say it could be several weeks before official id? The anxiety for me in this case is as bad as a nail biter ball game. Sorry if that is a poor analogy.... I don't mean to be disrespectful but LE's actions here seem so out of the ordinary to me.
GUILTY IL - Antinette 'Toni' Keller, 18, DeKalb, NIU Student, 14 October 2010
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I'll be honest. The silence leads me to believe the prosecution does not have as solid of a case as they are trying to portray. (Shall I bring up when the Cubs were 6 outs away from going to the World Series... I almost got that kind of nagging feeling with this case. ) I just can not believe it is solely not having the official id on Toni's remains as a basis for the silence. Can anyone recall a case where LE did not at least say it could be several weeks before official id? The anxiety for me in this case is as bad as a nail biter ball game. Sorry if that is a poor analogy.... I don't mean to be disrespectful but LE's actions here seem so out of the ordinary to me.
Where is 1st and Fairview in relation to Curls address? Is it possible Curl lured Toni out of the park during daylight hours and brought her back to a remote area later?
Where are our fantatic WS'rs who can put the area's on one map? Anyone?
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Agreed. In this day and age, it seems like most cases involve some "leaks" to the press, but people associated with this case are revealing virtually nothing, and being very "cagey" about it. There have been plenty of other cases where LE will at least say, "The suspect has given us a confession and the details will come out in court," which helps to put some minds at ease. Not here. Even Curl's sister was evasive, like she was counseled by an attorney before speaking to the press this morning.
As far as the newly reported attempted attack of a woman walking in an NIU campus parking lot at 1 a.m. this past weekend, I doubt there's any connection. If the suspect there is described as a 5'8" male of Hispanic or Indian origin, he's probably slight of build. I believe Toni Keller was 5'6" and around 130 lbs. If she'd been attacked by someone close in size, she probably would've had a decent chance of fighting him off. I haven't heard what height/weight William Curl is, but he looks big and heavy, and much more likely to be able to overpower someone.
Two miles is a good idea Lil PI. It would be interesting to know if Curl was on foot or had access to his mothers or another vehicle the day Toni went missing. Then we'd know if LE could perhaps process a vehicle for evidence Toni was in a vehicle in Curls posession, or if trace evidence Curl picked up from Toni might be left in the car.
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LE would need some article of Toni's clothing found at the crime scene to compare to any fibers evidence found on Billy clothing at his home or in his car. Since Toni was not in Billy's mothers car I doubt there would be much evidence found there. Especially since it was days after the crime that Billy took the car and skipped town.
If the reason Billy burnt Toni's body was to dispose of any evidence then I would think he would have also burned all of her clothing at the scene too. If he didn't burn all her clothing and left something lying in the park or took a trophy with him then he gets the dumbest criminal award in my book.
Just for discussion purposes lets say a pubic hair of Toni's was found in a pair of Billy's underpants at his home when a search warrant was no doubt preformed. It would still take some time to do a DNA analysis on the hair sample to determine it was in fact Toni's hair. Obviously any search warrant done was preformed after the time Billy left town, so I don't think there was enough time for a DNA analysis to be done on any forensic evidence to be used in determining if Billy should be charged or if he was their man.
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Again I don't think there was enough time from the time he was arrested until the time he was charged for any forensic search and analysis of the car to be done. Exceptionally in LA.
They basically flew down there the day after he was picked up, questioned him and brought him back then charging him with murder.
Heck it took them how many day's to figure out they were human remains? Can you see them processing a car for trace evidence and confirming they have something in a matter of a day?
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That's my feelings as well, hopefully we are spot on.
Exactly. I don't recall where I heard the speculation that there were multiple people involved, but it keeps running around in my head that maybe someone helped him burn the body.
Quick (rough) timeline. Going by memory so unsure if I have this right.
October 14: Toni goes missing last time seen appx 11:30am
October 16: 'burnt evidence found' (unknown human remains)
October 23: Curl questioned and flees on this date?
October 24: Remains determined to be human not officially id'd
October 25: Scheduled date for 2nd interview with Curl
October 30: Pressure Curl in custody in LA
Where in the above timeline was the MSM article indicating a call came in from Curl reporting the fire which was later redacted? IIRC, LE said Curl did not call police to report a fire. Imo that means Curl called someone to report the fire or talk about the fire... or does DeKalb have a seperate number for reporting fires? I remember, before making 911 standard, our local area always listed two numbers one for police and a seperate number for fire. Could Curl have called a non police number to report a fire?
Is anyone getting the feeling or sense LE is backtracking on media leaks rather than the media getting it wrong? I realize many times media does get it wrong, but with SO few facts put out by the media in this case to redact or correct so much of the few that were released has my hinky meter up.
jmo....
eta: what was going on between the 16th and the 23rd other than making the determination the remains were human?
October 14: Toni goes missing last time seen appx 11:30am
October 16: 'burnt evidence found' (unknown human remains)
October 23: Curl questioned and flees on this date?
October 24: Remains determined to be human not officially id'd
October 25: Scheduled date for 2nd interview with Curl
October 30: Pressure Curl in custody in LA
Where in the above timeline was the MSM article indicating a call came in from Curl reporting the fire which was later redacted? IIRC, LE said Curl did not call police to report a fire. Imo that means Curl called someone to report the fire or talk about the fire... or does DeKalb have a seperate number for reporting fires? I remember, before making 911 standard, our local area always listed two numbers one for police and a seperate number for fire. Could Curl have called a non police number to report a fire?
Is anyone getting the feeling or sense LE is backtracking on media leaks rather than the media getting it wrong? I realize many times media does get it wrong, but with SO few facts put out by the media in this case to redact or correct so much of the few that were released has my hinky meter up.
jmo....
eta: what was going on between the 16th and the 23rd other than making the determination the remains were human?
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Wouldn't the flight to Mexico been enough justification for a judge to issue a search warrant? How do we know for sure the police weren't in his apartment while he was AWOL? A week is long enough for a rush DNA to come back...
Re: the timeline, I believe that on Thurs. Oct. 29th, DeKalb LE announced that a Person of Interest was already under arrest in LA, and on the morning of the 30th Curl had his initial court date back in IL.
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corrected 10-29 date on rough timeline
October 14: Toni goes missing last time seen appx 11:30am
October 16: 'burnt evidence found' (unknown human remains)
October 23: Curl questioned and flees on this date?
October 24: Remains determined to be human not officially id'd
October 25: Scheduled date for 2nd interview with Curl
October 29: Presser Curl in custody in LA
Feel free to copy/add to/edit above!!
October 14: Toni goes missing last time seen appx 11:30am
October 16: 'burnt evidence found' (unknown human remains)
October 23: Curl questioned and flees on this date?
October 24: Remains determined to be human not officially id'd
October 25: Scheduled date for 2nd interview with Curl
October 29: Presser Curl in custody in LA
Feel free to copy/add to/edit above!!
JMO... The time-line oddly syncs Press Conferences with Curl movement.
10/16: PC - nothing to report other than searches and interviews. (remains actually found). Perhaps the date of Curl's first interaction with LE?
10/23: PC - human remains found a week ago, now a death investigation. Same day: Curl bolts in mother's car.
10/25: Curl misses appointment with local LE
10/26: PC - more searches being done, now a homicide investigation. (LE actually has FBI tracking Curl). Same day: Curl is taken into custody in Louisiana.
10/29: Curl back in DeKalb.
It was as though they were telling the public, "look to the left" while they were running to the right. (Totally understandable from LE's perspective - just frustrating from a "sleuthing perspective"). And as far as what was going on between the 16th and the 23rd....LE's not sharing, but obviously no-one was assigned to watch Curl.
No worries rodie. I agree with your analogy about LE telling the public to look to the left while running to the right. Great analogy!
with as little information that has been leaked, even anonymous online comments via news articles or various forums (ie. no 'discussion' area on FB)... I've been looking and haven't found any comments from friends or associates of Curl discussing what he was doing between the 16th and 23rd. Or even anyone speaking of unusual behavior starting the 14th. Usually somewhere someone gives general information.... and I'm not seeing anything... Leaves a lot of unanswered questions.
With regards to the FB page, I think the admin is doing a fantastic job. I've seen some FB groups and particularly discussion area's look like a complete dog fight. I do think it is fantastic to celebrate Toni's life and her many talents however, I also feel her story with regards to this crime must be told. Not to be morbid, but for justice -which is what all of us seek who spend our time here at WS. As a lifelong resident of NE IL, there is too much hush hush in these republican counties, as if that stuff doesn't happen here - when in fact ANYONE who does a little sleuthing will see it clearly does. Before I go off on a tangent, I will leave it at that as this thread is about Toni and justice for Toni.
with as little information that has been leaked, even anonymous online comments via news articles or various forums (ie. no 'discussion' area on FB)... I've been looking and haven't found any comments from friends or associates of Curl discussing what he was doing between the 16th and 23rd. Or even anyone speaking of unusual behavior starting the 14th. Usually somewhere someone gives general information.... and I'm not seeing anything... Leaves a lot of unanswered questions.
With regards to the FB page, I think the admin is doing a fantastic job. I've seen some FB groups and particularly discussion area's look like a complete dog fight. I do think it is fantastic to celebrate Toni's life and her many talents however, I also feel her story with regards to this crime must be told. Not to be morbid, but for justice -which is what all of us seek who spend our time here at WS. As a lifelong resident of NE IL, there is too much hush hush in these republican counties, as if that stuff doesn't happen here - when in fact ANYONE who does a little sleuthing will see it clearly does. Before I go off on a tangent, I will leave it at that as this thread is about Toni and justice for Toni.
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