IL IL - Debbie Fijan, 10, DuPage County, 11 Feb 1966 - #2

[SunnieRN]

Wow, scary and a bit sick that he would feel absolved of all guilt, just because he confessed to a priest.

I have to mull this over more, but I feel like there is something on the tip of my brain that I'm just not quite able to reach out and grab.

I hope you are not offended by me jumping in, I am just fascinated by how much information you have gathered and helped law enforcement with!

 

[Cubby]

Wow, scary and a bit sick that he would feel absolved of all guilt, just because he confessed to a priest.

I have to mull this over more, but I feel like there is something on the tip of my brain that I'm just not quite able to reach out and grab.

I hope you are not offended by me jumping in, I am just fascinated by how much information you have gathered and helped law enforcement with!

Of course we are not offended by you jumping in!!!!!!
I am ecstatic new eyes are on Debbies case!!!!

As for the thought of being absolved if he confessed to a priest.
IMO, those who are deeply religious would likely believe they are responsible to God, not man.
Even though that is BS imo. God allowed man to put laws into place.
Lets not forget, the Lord said, "whatsover you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me." IMO that means if you murder one of your brothers it is like murdering the Lord. JMO

I understand having to mull things over. I often need to 'sit with some time to think about things....' before I am able to gather my thoughts and put them in writing. It is like a light bulb moment but you need to allow time to listen to it.

Thanks sooooooo much for your interest in Debbies case.
It means a lot to me and I am sure it means a great deal to her family.

:blowkiss:

 

[Cubby]

Some additonal thoughts based on research and sleuthing both on and off forum. Some was off forum to protect the privacy of innocent people who knew LS.

We have no reason to believe LS was anything other than a typical "Good Catholic boy" who attended Catholic grammer, high school and college. His mother came from a prominent family in the immediate area of the farm where he grew up. IIRC her maiden name is Klein, and the NS road just west of Fair Oaks was named AFTER his mothers family - Klein Rd. The area was considered very rural. He came from a well know prestigous? local family, and I think that is why the neighbors would not cooperate with the media or LE back then. (there is also a Kline Creek and Kline Creek farm in the area, but I have no information to know if the Klein and Kline families were related in any way..... )

Debbies family on the other hand had only moved into the neighborhood (from another nearby suburb) sometime the year or year and a half prior to her murder. They were basically still 'newcomers' to the area at least were loyalties came in, in a small rural community.

IIRC, Debbie started attending Benjaman school in the 4th grade and was murdered in the middle of 5th grade.

I've received private emails from those who wished to share what they knew of LS after finding the thread here, but did not wish to share on the forum. Basically, they ALL were shocked to learn of Debbies case and shared that he was "HIGHLY" respected in the community and after reading probably guilty, but would leave that to a court of law.

I hope that provides some insight into what we have learned about the man others believed LS to be....... Of course everthing is not always as it appears and everyone is not always as they appear.

JMO

 

[Cubby]

A message for Debbie. I haven't forgotten ya girl! and I am FIGHTING HARD to bring you justice!

I don't know you, never met you, but somehow feel close to you. I was born the month following your murder. Maybe that is why I feel this connection to your case, and I feel like you are my family, but like family I never met due to us not being on this earth at the same time.

I will fight until my dying breath for Justice for you, even if I am the last 'man' (I'm not a man) standing to do so.

You are not forgotten and Justice will be served! I have zero doubt about it!
I'm not only confident I am convinced Justice WILL be served!

Your friend, Cubby

 

[SunnieRN]

I have often felt that it is those we would never suspect, that are the most successful in committing the worst crimes. Seems that families and friends are always shocked and deny that the person they know and love could commit such a crime, or series of crimes. Is that the case here? Who knows. One problem is that if LS committed any type of offense at a young age, that will never see the light of day, due to the sealing of records for juveniles.

Because of inaccuracies stated about "Life among Serial Killers", I decided to look up and see if I could read some of it online, vs purchasing it:

http://media.wiley.com/product_data/excerpt/71/04708697/0470869771.pdf

This is the section on Richard Otto Macek. I find his description interesting:

When two guards brought Richard Otto Macek into the meeting
room, I couldn’t believe what I saw. He was nothing like what I had
anticipated. He was a short man in his thirties with whitish hair that
bore remnants of blond and an unmemorable, babyish face. He was
dressed in a drab brown shirt and pants issued by the prison hospital.
Macek himself was physically odd. He was powerfully built, short and
stocky, and he struck me as having brawny arms and a massive torso,
reflecting enormous strength. Paradoxically, he struck me as pudgy
with a peculiar combination of male and female characteristics, including
a roundish body and soft, almost delicate, features.
Although he had shackles on his feet, he was not at all the odious
murderer I expected. He looked right at me, smiled brightly, and
shook my hand with a manly grip. It was as though this were a social
event and he was trying to play the part of attentive host. He smiled
again, this time showing his somewhat ill-fitting dentures.

Quite a bit more at the site, the section is several pages long, most of which is quite dramatized.

 

[mom2six]

Additional thoughts. IF LS had exposed himself to Debbie thinking she would respond favorably, I can see him being disgusted with himself, hating himself for what he did.... IMO, he was TRYING to tell LE when he said those things about himself while being interogated. It was his way of trying to tell the truth and hoping LE would figure it out. And even though he didn't come out and actually TELL the truth about what happened, he convinced himself what he did say was truthful even though deep inside he knows he is fooling himself. I also think he would lean on his faith, that all men fall short, and he'll convince himself based on his beliefs he's forgiven.......

Catholics are odd with the 'good works' thing. IMO, at least from my perspective, they sometimes and possibly often confuse good works with confessing their sins. I wonder if LS ever confessed to a priest what he had done. IMO, if he did he would feel completely absolved of any responsiblity for Debbies murder and of course a priest could not go to LE with this information because of their vows and the rules/laws of the church.



JMO

Cubby, I've been following since the first thread, too, but have had nothing much to add. There is something about this case that pulls heartstrings. You make a very convincing case against LS. I think, quite possibly, he could have been attracted to Debbie and blamed her for it, visualizing her as the reason for his "sickness." So that killing her was a desperate act of severing that part of himself which struggled with those sins from his psyche. I think that would explain the very personal nature of the inflicted wounds.

I agree that if he confessed, he would consider himself absolved, however technically a Catholic must do penance as remittance for the sins absolved, because we have not only offended God, but we have injured our relationship with our fellow man, who we are meant to be one with, as one Body of Christ. Sin has two penalties, temporal here on earth and eternal. Confession removes the eternal penalty but not the temporal one. So the penance serves to ameliorate the temporal punishment due one. Purgatory after death serves to finish the process of remission of temporal punishment.

I believe the only fitting penance for murder would be confession to authorities and serving due sentence. Of course, the human mind has many ways of justifying itself and assuaging guilt. But, I think LS would know all this, with his background. He would know deep down that he hasn't properly done penance. It may drive him to continue to find ways to do penance avoiding the reality of what he really needs to do. It would be interesting to know if others presently view him as a man driven to doing good works or acts of charity, explaining why he would especially be described as a "good man."

 

[Cubby]

Cubby, I've been following since the first thread, too, but have had nothing much to add. There is something about this case that pulls heartstrings. You make a very convincing case against LS. I think, quite possibly, he could have been attracted to Debbie and blamed her for it, visualizing her as the reason for his "sickness." So that killing her was a desperate act of severing that part of himself which struggled with those sins from his psyche. I think that would explain the very personal nature of the inflicted wounds.

I agree that if he confessed, he would consider himself absolved, however technically a Catholic must do penance as remittance for the sins absolved, because we have not only offended God, but we have injured our relationship with our fellow man, who we are meant to be one with, as one Body of Christ. Sin has two penalties, temporal here on earth and eternal. Confession removes the eternal penalty but not the temporal one. So the penance serves to ameliorate the temporal punishment due one. Purgatory after death serves to finish the process of remission of temporal punishment.

I believe the only fitting penance for murder would be confession to authorities and serving due sentence. Of course, the human mind has many ways of justifying itself and assuaging guilt. But, I think LS would know all this, with his background. He would know deep down that he hasn't properly done penance. It may drive him to continue to find ways to do penance avoiding the reality of what he really needs to do. It would be interesting to know if others presently view him as a man driven to doing good works or acts of charity, explaining why he would especially be described as a "good man."

Thank you for your post mom2six. BBM. You may very well be right with those thoughts and agree with the rest. We haven't heard from anyone who is in current contact with LS but those who knew him some years ago have described him as being a deeply devoted Catholic and highly respected in the community. I would have no reason to believe those who are in current contact with him would not view him in the same manner.

Thank you for your compliment on presenting a convincing case. I can't take credit alone for what we have uncovered in this thread. Shadowangel and Abbey5 have done some incredible sleuthing on this case. I just continue to pray LE is able to find that last piece or pieces of the puzzle to get this case solved. I think I'd have tears of joy upon hearing a guilty verdict and if I am able I would certainly sit through as much of a trial as possible considering I am only about a 20 minute drive from the DuPage county court house. I do believe this case will be solved. When I don't know, but I believe.....

 

[mom2six]

Because of inaccuracies stated about "Life among Serial Killers", I decided to look up and see if I could read some of it online, vs purchasing it:

http://media.wiley.com/product_data/excerpt/71/04708697/0470869771.pdf

The pdf is great, thank you. Since it ended at the end of Chapter 1, I went on google books and you can read quite a bit on Macek, minus a couple pages here and there.
http://books.google.com/books?id=WW26p9Kx-QgC&lpg=PA265&dq=life%20among%20serial%20killers%20chapter%202&pg=PA17#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[mom2six]

I do believe this case will be solved. When I don't know, but I believe.....

I agree. I hope soon!

 

[SunnieRN]

The pdf is great, thank you. Since it ended at the end of Chapter 1, I went on google books and you can read quite a bit on Macek, minus a couple pages here and there.
http://books.google.com/books?id=WW26p9Kx-QgC&lpg=PA265&dq=life%20among%20serial%20killers%20chapter%202&pg=PA17#v=onepage&q&f=false

Thank you Mom2six, I read a bit more and have no idea what to think. How much happened as written and how much is dramatized to make for a good story?

I am curious to know what is in the letters he wrote to the Doctor. The fact that this serial killer was jailed and committed suicide should mean there is a LOT more information, pictures and people ready to talk about Richard Otto Macek. The lack of information about him is a bit unusual at least and almost lends to a conspiracy at most. I know, now I am being overly dramatic, but it's a bit unnerving.

 

[Cubby]

Later on in Dr. Morrisons book she goes onto say something along the lines of she never tried to solve any crime of ROM's but rather try to understand his mind or something along those lines.

She also mentions something about blisters appearing on Macek's hands and she has half of or all of John Wayne Gacy's brain.......

Interestingly there is a long detailed Chicago Reader article which I'll have to dig up where the WI detective who solved the cases or investigated Maceks crimes in WI contradicts some of Dr. Morrisons facts. Definately worth the read to clarify some of the statements in Morrisons book.

I will try and find it and link it shortly.

 

[Cubby]

Interesting Chicago reader article about Dr. Morrisons book.

Worth the read imo..... You have to scroll a ways to find where she describes meeting Louis Tomaselli

excerpt from the article....


Asked about this incident, Tomaselli, who's retired and lives in Spring Green, Wisconsin, contradicted Morrison's version of events on several key points, starting with his employment history.

"FBI?" he said. "Sure I'm FBI--full-blooded Italian. Except my job was special agent for the Wisconsin Department of Justice. I don't know why people think the FBI has some special jurisdiction over serial murder. I guess it's from the movies and TV. And the dead woman she's talking about, Paula Cupit, was stabbed just once in the heart, not repeatedly, and she had a broken neck. There was no mutilation of the eyes or ritual mumbo jumbo--I can send you the crime-scene photos and the autopsy report to prove it." The documents he sent support his recollection.


"Helen Morrison is a fine lady--don't get me wrong," Tomaselli continued, "but I don't know where she'd get the idea I approached her. I've got a pretty good memory, and the way I recall it is we wanted to hypnotize Richie Macek to see if that would get us a better recall of some crimes. So we got Roger McKinley, who was the hypnotist we usually used--a real good guy--and he brought Helen along just as someone who was interested. But there's just no way she was officially involved in the investigation. Besides, Helen's got her timeline all screwed up. She says she met me in 1977, but Richie got locked up in 1975, so no way could I have been showing her pictures of any unsolved homicide."

more at link.... a lot of the info in the article prior to where this starts is non related to "Richie".

full article at link.

http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/true-crime/Content?oid=915674

also, we tried to start a thread about ROM, to see what we could gather about him and his cases without clouding Debbies thread..... Not too many posts there but a little. I bumped it in case anyone cared to look.

hth

 

[SunnieRN]

Based on what we've found about AV off forum, he has worked with children for a long time. I have no reason to believe he would have anything to do with this..... just a gut. While we don't know, LE has likely ruled him and bellemaro (SP?) out.... I'm going to guess AV and his GF were at home at his parents house when they got the call Debbie was missing... so they all had alibi's. My guess is he and his GF went North to search because everyone else went South towards the school and being an 18 or 19 yr old kid he wanted to cover more ground rather than tag along to assist the other adults. At that age he would have been expanding his indepence greatly being his 1st or 2nd yr in college. (Just based on the average college kid).

IMO, and this is speculation Debbie 'annoyed' LS because he was fond of her and found himself responding to her physically. He probably daydreamed or fantasized about her for sometime until he crossed a line that day. IMO, just because there were no signs that Debbie was sexually molested does not mean LS did not expose himself to her ...... Perhaps he thought she would respond favorably to him if he did and when her response was not as he expected he knew there was no turning back time. He had crossed the ultimate line and had to kill her in order to keep her from telling anyone. Had she told, his whole world, life, career, marriage would come crumbling down. This, imo, is a very likely possibility because we know he couldn't excersize enough self discipline to refrain from bringing to school so his boundaries were clearly not all there.

JMO

Additional thoughts. IF LS had exposed himself to Debbie thinking she would respond favorably, I can see him being disgusted with himself, hating himself for what he did.... IMO, he was TRYING to tell LE when he said those things about himself while being interogated. It was his way of trying to tell the truth and hoping LE would figure it out. And even though he didn't come out and actually TELL the truth about what happened, he convinced himself what he did say was truthful even though deep inside he knows he is fooling himself. I also think he would lean on his faith, that all men fall short, and he'll convince himself based on his beliefs he's forgiven.......

Catholics are odd with the 'good works' thing. IMO, at least from my perspective, they sometimes and possibly often confuse good works with confessing their sins. I wonder if LS ever confessed to a priest what he had done. IMO, if he did he would feel completely absolved of any responsiblity for Debbies murder and of course a priest could not go to LE with this information because of their vows and the rules/laws of the church.



JMO

Re-read your posts again. Turning suspicion back on LS it makes me think of potential scenarios and the fact that LE has wondered at times if there were two killers, instead of just one.

This gets me to wonder once again, if he picked up Debbie, where he took her. I think if he did pick her up he took her to his house, using his son as bait. I am fairly certain his wife would have been a SAHM(stay at home Mom). What if he was alone with Debbie, exposed himself to her or ??? and his wife walked in on the scene?

It could potentially explain why she tried so hard to cover up evidence (turning in the wrong clothes, telling him the timeline to follow etc.). I find it unbelievable to even imagine, but you never know.

There is also the possibility that he brought her to his parents and one of them walked in, thereby "encouraging" his wives behaviors. I think a lot of this has been previously discussed, but this would provide an idea behind his wives actions, which I haven't noticed discussed.

It does show how very much political power the family had, as anyone caught tampering with evidence in a murder investigation would most always be arrested, charged, or turn states evidence to avoid prosecution. Very interesting.

Just my latest rambling thought.:waitasec:

 

[Cubby]

I don't believe LS took Debbie to his home. too far from the crime scene.
The school, Debbies home, the farm, and where Debbies body were found were all very close too each other. Within 1.5 miles, 2 miles at most. The home LS and his wife and son had recently moved into is about another 10 mins away from the above.

I have a hard time trying to do maps, but I will try to do a link with all of those locations including the intersection where LS moved to from the farm because I do not believe that home is still there. The whole area is now commericial property and Old Gary Rd (what's left of it?) is a side road off Gary Road. and there is a huge shopping mall (Stratford Square Mall) at Gary now.

IMO LS's home on Old Gary Rd is too far to be considered.

I am also trying to get ahold of my sister so I can borrow her camera and go take the pictures I have been talking about taking and posting for so long. I'm hoping I can reach her this weekend, borrow the camera and have pictures up this week. I have no clue how to do any of that but will figure it out.

Will be lots of pics so I will probably have to link an album.... and may need help doing that. But I need to do this... I've talked about it too long, and I want readers and members to see the area and properties involved. I think pictures will help a lot.

 

[Cubby]

Ever have nights were thoughts come clearly when you are about to fall asleep? That happens to me with cases quite often.... I don't know if it is my brain slowing down from the day and I am relaxed enough or what but this came to mind like a movie playing in my head just before I fell asleep last night.


If he picked her up, he was heading West on St. Charles Rd from the school. Debbie walking down St. Charles road to fair oaks would have still been in his view from the school.
There is a stop sign at St. Charles and Fair Oaks.
Debbies mom would have been driving south on Fair Oaks and coming from the right at that stop sign.
Fair Oaks Rd is a narrower than the usual width two lane road with no shoulder. There are no street lights on Fair Oaks so someone at the intersection of St. Charles and Fair Oaks would have seen light from a cars headlamps to their right.

What I think happened is LS waited for Debbie to get close to St. Charles Road. I think he watched her walk and when he believed she was close enough to the intersection he timed it so he could get her in the car asnd not be at the intersection long with Debbie in the car. It would only be a few seconds with Debbie in the car at that interesection and have the opportunity to go straight/West instead of turning right/north to bring Debbie home. If he really wanted to drive her home without harming her (think of if she had responded favorably to his advances....... ) there was never a need to wait until she was close to reaching the intersection. By waiting to get her into the car near the intersection he eliminated the chance of getting caught taking her away from the direction of her home.

Once he had her in the car and determined Debbies mom was not close enough to see them together instead of turning right on Fair Oaks to drive Debbie home he continued straight (west) and did a circle... Going from St. Charles West. To Klein Rd -then right/North at Klein to Smith Road- (which happens to be where he and his dad found the baby which hit my hinky meter, more on that on another post.) Then North/East to Army Trail and east on AT rd to Fair Oaks and back South on Fair Oaks towards the Farm- Debbies home and the school. He would have had to drive past the family home on the farm to do this prior to dump Debbies body on Lies, but would not have to drive far enough South to reach the street Debbie lived on. He would have known her family was likely looking for her between her street, Wynn, and the school and he made sure he stayed far enough North he avoided crossing/running into them with this route.

He then went East on Lies away from the farm and where he dumped Debbies body to County Farm Road took a left and went North to Army Trail then east on AT to what is now Old Gary Road -would have been Gary Road then. I think it would have taken all of about 5-7 min for him to get from where he dumped Debbie and back to his new home on Old Gary. Old Gary is also next to or very near where he went to grade school at St. Isidores so he knew these routes like the back of his hand.

I think this is likely because this is where the 'half truths' come into this case. Being religious he would not LIE - but he convinced himself by not answering directly he wasn't lying. Regarding 'checking' the roads - he may have been 'checking' to see if anyone was going to catch him with Debbie but by not being completely clear he allowed LE to believe he was 'checking' the roads due to his fathers business. He allowed LE to know of the circuitous (sp?) route part of the half truth.....

If LE had asked him to sign a confession that weekend I bet he would have. IMO it was only after he told his wife she convinced him not to and to let LE try and put a case against him, let a jury decide. I really believe LS wanted to confess but was convinced to do otherwise by his wife.

The more I think of it and the above scenario the more logical it is to me.
Though 'logic' doesn't convict without evidence tying LS to this crime.
I know somewhere the evidence exists.....
and I PRAY that right now that evidence is sitting at a crime lab in the process of being tested. When it comes back an arrest will be made, a trial will begin and I will be sitting my happy dupa right there in the court room with a t-shirt with Debbies face on it and the shirt will read Catholics for Justice for Debbie Fijan. And it will have something about Websleuths on it too.

Man what I would give to look LS right in the eye while he is sitting in a court room being tried for Debbies murder. I wouldn't break that eye hold. LS would have to look away first and he'd have no doubt what I was thinking without my saying a word. I'd like for him to know this girl who is staring at me like this is that Cubby from Websleuths.

Then after the guilty verdict comes in, I would like the opportunity to shake Jack Fijans hand, Debbies parents hand - if they both attend, or just her mom, and give them both a hug. And say FINALLY JUSTICE IS SERVED. Oh, I dream of that day....... and it will happen, it is just a matter of when.



The above is all speculation and all JMO

 

[Cubby]

Sister may or may not let me borrow her camera. She said maybe. I'm hoping she does because it is a good expensive camera and the pictures would be better than me just using a cheapo camera.

I don't know anyone else with a good camera. If not I will still take pics with a cheapo camera.

 

[Cubby]

LS if you are reading this, why don't you come here and tell us the truth of what happened. Or call DuPage County and confess this after all these years. Get it off your chest. Get yourself purged from sin so when it is time to face your maker you have this cleared from your punishment from your Heavenly father.

You've lived your life LS. Your kids are grown, you're long since done raising them. Don't you think your kids, grandkids and peers would have a whole lot more respect for you if you told the truth first rather than having a trial and still denying your involvement until a jury finds you guilty? IF you are in fact guilty of murdering Debbie.

Yes, they will be hurt but they will get through it, and have soo much more respect for you for taking responsibility. With the truth coming from YOU nothing will change the years and accomplishments etc. between the murder and a confession. What imo, will be worse for your children, grandchildren is for them to find out everything they beleived about you was a lie by allowing a jury to find you guilty rather than your confessing. Your life, your legacy, your choice for the integrity of the man you are and wish your loved ones and peers to remember you by. Coming forward with the truth imo, will demonstrate responsibility for your actions and allow your family and friends to maintain the years between the murder and a confession. Without the truth coming directly from YOU, everything in those years is shattered leaving others to struggle to put back the pieces of the man they believed you to be and found you were not. A confession, imo, allows those who love you to keep those pieces intact while being able to know you made a mistake.

Isn't this burden hard to carry all these years? Wouldn't it be much easier to confess? Make some kind of deal with the prosecution? Especially not having been in any trouble between the murder and now? I think the DA would make a good deal with you if you just came forward and told the truth, if there is something for you to tell. Tell them exactly what happened and why. Clear you conscience and get the burden off your back.

Of course the above is just my opinion and something I hope you will strongly consider if you are responsible for Debbies murder.
I don't know but the Lord knows. There is no hiding the truth from Him. What does Jesus want you to do?
I think you would feel a whole bunch better and greatly relieved if you have something to confess and do.

A confession from you allows your family and loved ones to see this a mistake at a moment in time. A guilty verdict from a jury makes your whole life a lie and leaves those who loved you to struggle putting the peices together. They may struggle with why you waited so long, but will understand you did for the reasons you can share with them.

JMO

 

[Cubby]

Debbie is listed at Find a grave. No cemetary info but some nice messages.
Thank you to whomever added Debbie in 2006.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=11789929

 

[WC-AdHoc]

Debbie is listed at Find a grave. No cemetary info but some nice messages.
Thank you to whomever added Debbie in 2006.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=11789929

This is my first post, let me know if I've posted anthing thats not allowed. I was thrilled to find this site and all the information you've posted...
I've been reading all the posts from the beginning of Thread 1. Mainly because I've had some interest in this case for many years and could find nothing about it except the unsolved info on Dupage site. I live in the Benjamin school dist. have for 20+ years.
We had confused Debbie with Sally on some points, some time ago we met a woman who was a good friend to Sally. Over the years I think we confused the murder on Fair Oaks with the one over by Kuhn road. But now we have our facts straight and that it was Debbie that was found by Fair Oaks and Lies rd.
After reading the posts we found what looks like a gravel driveway next to the parking lot on Fair Oaks for the West branch. That would be the new parking lot.
Did any of you notice this? If you follow it back it seems to end at a pile of rubble
that may conceal a foundation?not sure. It is straight across from the end of Lies road at Fair Oaks. You can see a new gravel path and then next to it 2 tracks that look older.
Also if I can help, I have a 35mm digital camera.
A couple other things that we noted that might help some. Benjamin has a plague on it that it was built in 1964. The oldest part of the school is the gym and office section over on the west side, I believe the other parts/in back are newer. The gym was also used as the cafeteria. As far as we know, back to 1984 there was never a playground or swings, at least when my kids went there. The house was used as a kindergarten, my son and daughter went there. There was a teacher who taught the parents of friends of my children, may still be there or retired, I would have to check on that one. She may have been there when LS was there.
Just my thoughts but I really wouldn't want to see a cross put up by the school, I think it would really scare the children over something that happened a long time ago.
BTW there was another body found in this area that no one has mentioned. Don't know if I'm allowed to post that here.
Hope I can help, would love to see this solved for Debbie and her family.

 

[WC-AdHoc]

I was doing a search and found a post by LS's wife's sister from WI. What I found interesting was that it was an obit for her husband who also left the brotherhood, became an athiest, wrote a book about it and changed his name to Smith. Can I post the link to it on here? It mentions LS as a brother in law. Just a funny coindidence?