Identified! Il - Forest Pk, Skeletal Remains Up16830, In Tarped Car, Jun17 Janice Petersen-peppers-norsworthy

[Al Ka]

Wow Gardener, what a proper in depth search and analyzes. Thank you.

 

[azure]

Chicago has a large Eastern European population, and this UID looks Eastern European to me.

 

[Bit of hope]

For the button of the jeans I found this guide to vintage Levi Jeans buttons: http://www.levisguide.com/buttons/button.html

The button in the photo appears to have a "2" in the center of it. It says in the above link: "As a rule, jeans with a single stamped digit (2, 5, 6, W) for example are older than jeans with a 3 digit stamping on the top of the button." The guide doesn't give any further details of when a "2" button was produced but it says that from 1987-present the buttons were made with only dot in the center. This may suggest the jeans are from the 1980's? IDK if I am interpreting the guide correctly.

Here is another Levi's guide on the evolution of the red Levis tab label: http://www.levistrauss.com/unzipped-blog/2017/03/levis-tabs/

"In the 1950s, the brand started making double-sided tabs, where the white “LEVI’S” lettering was visible on both sides. In the early 1970s, instead of all-caps “LEVI’S,” it changed to a title-case “Levi’s” — with a lowercase “e.” The “E” font differentiation became a mark among collectors of a vintage piece."

The red tab on the UID's jeans has a lower case "e" so was made after 1970.

I think the sweatpants are the Hanes label. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanes I can't find much about their label style evolution except that they started their "go tagless" slogan in 2004 and introduced tee shirts with the label printed on the shirt instead of sewn in. Not sure if that applied to pants as well but our UID's label is sewn in.

Cherokee brand has been around since 1973: http://www.cherokeeusa.com/
They have been sold at Target, sears, walmart, etc.

American Outpost first used as a trademark in 1995 and filed for section 8 bankruptcy in 2008: https://trademarks.justia.com/751/91/american-outpost-75191630.html

Ashley Scott first use was in 1982, it was registered again in 1993 and as it seems like it was not made any more after 2000-- the trademark expired and was not renewed "CONTINUED USE NOT FILED WITHIN GRACE PERIOD, UN-REVIVABLE" : https://www.trademarkia.com/ashley-scott-74279866.html

I think the " *** Athletic" pants are "Russell Athletic" They are still in business but the current label is an R with two different colors and the tag on our UID's clothes is one color, slightly differnet style R-- suggesting it is an older item, perhaps? http://www.russellathletic.com/

The JerZees item is most likely some form of long underwear or more sweatpants, JMO. The company has been around since 1984: http://www.jerzees.com/t-shirts.shtml

Aegean Apparel is sold at walmart. Most of these clothing items are very inexpensive and sold at big box reatailers like Walmart, Target, etc. The age of the clothing may indicate the UID only bought clothes from thrift stores OR that the body is decades old. JMO.

Thanks! Good Work!

 

[Bit of hope]

Thank you for writing this "inventory". I was a bit unvell after analyzing pics for some time yesterday. Some cloth were definitely on her as pics are gruesomely explanatory. She was also wrapped in some as per original articles and some could have been also in yellow bag.

Yellow money courier bag from U.S. Bancorp is interesting as it is not something average person would have at home. I don't think small businesses would use those and also not seeing someone from corp world taking one home for any reason. Businesses who would use those bags have usually money collections, so again, not someone freely walking with that bag on the street. Only reasons of possesions that springs to mind is - weird gift by someone/company, some kind of robbery possibly of money courier or theft of bag with money in it from company. (All in my humble opinion of course).

It was not mentioned if bag was inside of trash can with her or only in the car. I have found that slogan Five Star Service Guarantee was introduced by Bank first time on April 10, 1996, so it is safe to say that Jane Doe is probably deceased from then onwards, unless of course bag was not put in the car years later.

In 2006 Bank had 10 year anniversary of the slogan and lots of advertising material was print and gave away. That is another possibility even though a bit remote, for aquiring the bag.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...S.-Bank-Celebrates-Years-Service-Star-Service

PS: I have double checked photo of the bag and due to bodily fluids it was definitely with her inside the trash can. So we are looking for Jane Doe deceased after April 1996. It would still be great to find exact bag to narrow down time period further.

Thank you very much for narrowing the timeline. What first crossed my mind was could she be transient, wearing layers of clothes. But if some of them were rapped around her I doubt that now. It's more likely the clothes were rapped around her because she was bleeding and other stuff that belonged to her disposed off, putting it with her in the trashcan.

The robbery/theft scenario came also to mind, her killed by a partner/accessory taking all the money instead of splitting it. At this moment it's hard to believe she was a bank employee traveling between branches with the bag. Especially if there was money in it. It could be possible she took business papers with her from an office to her home/somebody's home, but naahhhhh???

Also wondering which clothes they pealed of and in what order. The possible bathrobe is interesting. Or she was dressed in it when she got killed at a house/at home (at least a private space, hotel is less likely because who goes in or out off a hotel with a trashcan or a body unnoticed) and the other clothes where rapped around her/stuffed in the trashcan with her or she was fully dressed and somebody took something to rap her in what was close to hand...(killed in a bathroom, with towel and bathrobe near by) Either way this has the feel of a domestic scene. I don't see somebody killing someone who is wearing a bathrobe and then fully dress the body up afterwards (although it exists, but the body most likely would be more on display) before throwing them in a trashcan. Not knowing what was on her or with her makes a conclusion difficult at this point. If you look at the clothes most likely those who are most "dirty" were the closest to her skin/body.. Just thinking out loud.

A question for US sleuthers. Can you only buy the made in Mexico stuff in Mexico or is it manufactured in Mexico and sold in the US or both sold in Mexico and the US. Does anybody know that? BTW it's always hard to get good leads from clothes..they could be bought everywhere...or be second hand...

 

[Gardener1850]

Thank you very much for narrowing the timeline. What first crossed my mind was could she be transient, wearing layers of clothes. But if some of them were rapped around her I doubt that now. It's more likely the clothes were rapped around her because she was bleeding and other stuff that belonged to her disposed off, putting it with her in the trashcan.

The robbery/theft scenario came also to mind, her killed by a partner/accessory taking all the money instead of splitting it. At this moment it's hard to believe she was a bank employee traveling between branches with the bag. Especially if there was money in it. It could be possible she took business papers with her from an office to her home/somebody's home, but naahhhhh???

Also wondering which clothes they pealed of and in what order. The possible bathrobe is interesting. Or she was dressed in it when she got killed at a house/at home (at least a private space, hotel is less likely because who goes in or out off a hotel with a trashcan or a body unnoticed) and the other clothes where rapped around her/stuffed in the trashcan with her or she was fully dressed and somebody took something to rap her in what was close to hand...(killed in a bathroom, with towel and bathrobe near by) Either way this has the feel of a domestic scene. I don't see somebody killing someone who is wearing a bathrobe and then fully dress the body up afterwards (although it exists, but the body most likely would be more on display) before throwing them in a trashcan. Not knowing what was on her or with her makes a conclusion difficult at this point. If you look at the clothes most likely those who are most "dirty" were the closest to her skin/body.. Just thinking out loud.

A question for US sleuthers. Can you only buy the made in Mexico stuff in Mexico or is it manufactured in Mexico and sold in the US or both sold in Mexico and the US. Does anybody know that? BTW it's always hard to get good leads from clothes..they could be bought everywhere...or be second hand...

Yes we can buy some clothes here that are made in Mexico. I'm not sure now which item was made in Mexico without going back to look at the photos but I recognized almost all of these brands immediately as being commonly sold in the US at "big box" stores or lower end department stores. I was previously familiar with all the names except for Aegean Apparel. Almost all of these items were mass produced and not expected to last very long as far as everyday wear and use. The only item of that is somewhat nicer quality from the others is the Ashley Scott Jacket-- which may have been a blazer or work suit coat rather than an outdoor jacket. When looking for info on Ashley Scott apparel I found many people selling used Ashley Scott blazer jackets: https://www.google.com/search?q=Ash...g4XYAhUkUt8KHXk1Bd8Q_AUICigB&biw=1600&bih=745 They look like overcoats because that was the style back in the 1980s and 1990s for business women to wear oversized blazers or suit dresses. JMO.

If any of the items were her clothes (and I think some are), I think we are looking for someone who disappeared/died between 1996 and 2000. Possibly a little earlier or later than that if the clothes were placed with her after her death. JMO.

 

[Gardener1850]

Her sketch has been added to Namus on Nov 30

It is not mentioned if lenght, shape or colour of her hair is based on anything retrieved or if it is just guesstimate. It does say though that sketch approximation is based on available scientific data (probably shape of face).

*Snipped for focus on picture*

Warning - graphic pictures in link upon zooming
https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/16830

The odd nose shape is really throwing me off when looking at missing cases. I wonder how accurate that sketch is as far as nose shape? Although no race is given, she appears to be Caucasian and blonde in that sketch. Anyone finding potential matches?

 

[4SAM]

I worked in a bank....and that looks like a night drop bag from a business. They would come after hours and use metal door and drop their money into the bank, would have zipper/lock on it and only the teller could get into it.

 

[Gardener1850]

I don't think any of these are really strong, but based on the sketch and looking between 1996 and 2000 in the midwest, here are some possibles I came up with:

Sherrie Roth: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/22191/
Robin Jobson: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7551/
Crystal Hunt: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/17037/
Helena Negrete: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/30721/
Toni Bachman: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/12061/
Tonia Aldrich: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/10427/

I have not looked too deeply at these cases and many profiles have limited or no details on their circumstances.

If any suggestion above looks like a match, please submit, I'm only suggesting here. Thanks.

 

[4SAM]

I don't think that it matters when the bag was no longer being produced because some people keep using the same bag until it literally would be falling apart.

 

[Bit of hope]

What about Benedetta Bentley missing since May 23 2010, from Centralia, Illinois. Weight 165 pounds. Nothing about a "flipper" http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bentley_benedetta.html

more pictures at link

 

[4SAM]

What about Benedetta Bentley missing since May 23 2010, from Centralia, Illinois. Weight 165 pounds. Nothing about a "flipper" http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bentley_benedetta.html

more pictures at link

She wore hair extensions, and no mention of a money bag. Hmm....

 

[Bit of hope]

I don't think any of these are really strong, but based on the sketch and looking between 1996 and 2000 in the midwest, here are some possibles I came up with:

Sherrie Roth: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/22191/
Robin Jobson: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7551/
Crystal Hunt: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/17037/
Helena Negrete: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/30721/
Toni Bachman: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/12061/
Tonia Aldrich: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/10427/

I have not looked too deeply at these cases and many profiles have limited or no details on their circumstances.

If any suggestion above looks like a match, please submit, I'm only suggesting here. Thanks.

I considered Robin Jobson too. Her dental record states she had a "upperflipper" (a dental piece like UI) her missingteeth were #1,2,7,8,10,14,16,18,31,32. But what about the possible pin in her leg?

 

[4SAM]

There isn't a lot of women on DOE missing from Illinois in that time frame. No weight or height listed, I mean there is a weight but I don't believe that

 

[Bit of hope]

She wore hair extensions, and no mention of a money bag. Hmm....

I'm sorry but hair extentions can come of, no big deal. Women change the hair all the time.... There is something about the nose that triggered me, and Bernadette would have the right weight.

 

[Bit of hope]

The odd nose shape is really throwing me off when looking at missing cases. I wonder how accurate that sketch is as far as nose shape? Although no race is given, she appears to be Caucasian and blonde in that sketch. Anyone finding potential matches?

The nose is soft tissue and very hard to reconstruct...but something from the partial remains/skull triggered them to make a nose like this...maybe a little overdone but a good marker....

 

[Bit of hope]

I worked in a bank....and that looks like a night drop bag from a business. They would come after hours and use metal door and drop their money into the bank, would have zipper/lock on it and only the teller could get into it.

My first thought...see posts # 33 and 34

 

[4SAM]

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1477dfca.html

there is the distance, but who knows....

 

[4SAM]

Bit of Hope....do you think her nose had been broken at one time and that is why it is shaped that way? Also, have you read what the liquid may have been?

 

[4SAM]

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1536dfwa.html

 

[Vail]

Both of these caught my eye:

Anne Gay
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/21048/6/

Janice Matney
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/5437/19?current_page=case_information