Identified! Il - Forest Pk, Skeletal Remains Up16830, In Tarped Car, Jun17 Janice Petersen-peppers-norsworthy

[Gardener1850]

I considered Robin Jobson too. Her dental record states she had a "upperflipper" (a dental piece like UI) her missingteeth were #1,2,7,8,10,14,16,18,31,32. But what about the possible pin in her leg?

This is a gruesome thought, but I wonder if the UID had been dismembered to fit in the trash can and her body parts wrapped in the different pieces of clothing. Would a leg pin fall out during that process? Or would there be evidence left on the bones if a pin was removed? IDK.

 

[Gardener1850]

Reading through Robin's thread here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?184451-MI-Robin-Jobson-31-Flint-7-May-1998/page5

There is a clearer picture of her. Comparison with UID sketch:

 

[Cubby]

I'm sorry but hair extentions can come of, no big deal. Women change the hair all the time.... There is something about the nose that triggered me, and Bernadette would have the right weight.

When Beth Bentley went missing there was a lot of activity on her thread here at WS, as well as other sites. Many of her friends were posting and no one mentioned a dental partial. She was married to an attorney and I don't think she would have settled on a flipper or partial dentures. I don't think these remains belong to Beth.

 

[Cubby]

Both of these caught my eye:

Anne Gay
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/21048/6/

Janice Matney
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/5437/19?current_page=case_information

I immediately thought of Anne Gay. Joliet IL isn't too far from forest Park. Janice was aa little further in Ottawa and it's unlikely, imo, someone would drive from Ottawa all the way to Forest Park when there is a lot of rural area closer to Ottawa.

 

[Bit of hope]

Yes we can buy some clothes here that are made in Mexico. I'm not sure now which item was made in Mexico without going back to look at the photos but I recognized almost all of these brands immediately as being commonly sold in the US at "big box" stores or lower end department stores. I was previously familiar with all the names except for Aegean Apparel. Almost all of these items were mass produced and not expected to last very long as far as everyday wear and use. The only item of that is somewhat nicer quality from the others is the Ashley Scott Jacket-- which may have been a blazer or work suit coat rather than an outdoor jacket. When looking for info on Ashley Scott apparel I found many people selling used Ashley Scott blazer jackets: https://www.google.com/search?q=Ash...g4XYAhUkUt8KHXk1Bd8Q_AUICigB&biw=1600&bih=745 They look like overcoats because that was the style back in the 1980s and 1990s for business women to wear oversized blazers or suit dresses. JMO.

If any of the items were her clothes (and I think some are), I think we are looking for someone who disappeared/died between 1996 and 2000. Possibly a little earlier or later than that if the clothes were placed with her after her death. JMO.

Thank you Gardener. I think you are pretty close with the overcoat/blazer pics you posted. If the bank slogan was first used in 1996 than that would be a good year to go on....what makes you think 2000? Is this solely bases on the clothes? I did some summery work yesterday trying to get a better idea of the timeframe:

What ismeant by the car was there for ‘years’? In relation to this, WS member wordsickmade an interesting comment on an article with a “Google satellite image from2017 shows the tarp-covered sedan parked in the 1000 block of Lathrop in ForestPark”. Wordsick: If I look at googlemaps right now <post date 09-08-2017 T1, #25>, I can still see it there,though it is a different image from another time of year. But on google streetview, the view down that alley is from October 2014 and the car is definitelynot there in that position. So, it may have been sitting there for "years,"but no more than three”.

So this would mean the car was put there later thenOktober 2014? Strange that de resident and neighbors seem not be able to pinpoint "years" a little bit more.

WS member Cubby T1, # 26 “Itcould be the owner of the car was still living and was using the car when theGoogle map photos were taken”.

A possibility…would he have driven around with acontainer with a dead body? Can’t imagine. If that’s true the container was putthere after Oktober 2014.

As it seems we are missing crucial information. When was the car put there first, when did the owner die, stopped paying rent etc.

 

[Bit of hope]

Bit of Hope....do you think her nose had been broken at one time and that is why it is shaped that way? Also, have you read what the liquid may have been?

I don't know about the nose been broken. Possible (wouldn't the coroner have mentioned that? I'm not sure, there is very little about this UID) I think it's more a special shaped nose (it reminds me of a nose caused by Rhinophyma) also somewhere in the back of my mind I recall some Scandinavian people have a "different" nose, but I have to look that up first.

I'm not sure what you mean about the liquid. Al Ka mentioned that I think..not me.

 

[Bit of hope]

Both of these caught my eye:

Anne Gay
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/21048/6/

Janice Matney
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/5437/19?current_page=case_information

Anne Gay is interesting. I have thoughts about Janice Matney being another UID, but in that case timeline doesn't add up. Janice is classified as disabled. Het 2002 boyfriend was a sex offender but was not named a suspect in her disappearance. He died in 2004. Nowhere info on her having a "flipper".

 

[Bit of hope]

When Beth Bentley went missing there was a lot of activity on her thread here at WS, as well as other sites. Many of her friends were posting and no one mentioned a dental partial. She was married to an attorney and I don't think she would have settled on a flipper or partial dentures. I don't think these remains belong to Beth.

Thank you for clearing up my question about her having a "flipper", that was the piece of information I couldn't find anything about. That would rule her out for this UID.

 

[4SAM]

its good to see that she is not forgotten here as she was in the car. Keep looking and maybe one of us will find her true identity.

 

[Bit of hope]

What about Victoria Bakhtiari? http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3543dfco.html

I find the resemblance striking, but how did she end up in a car in Illinois missing from Colorado.

 

[4SAM]

What about Victoria Bakhtiari? http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3543dfco.html

I find the resemblance striking, but how did she end up in a car in Illinois missing from Colorado.

I have discovered that distance is not a factor on most cases here. This lady does appear to have a odd shaped nose. Is there anyway to get better clarification of UID?

 

[Gardener1850]

Thank you Gardener. I think you are pretty close with the overcoat/blazer pics you posted. If the bank slogan was first used in 1996 than that would be a good year to go on....what makes you think 2000? Is this solely bases on the clothes? I did some summery work yesterday trying to get a better idea of the timeframe:

*snipped for focus*

I am thinking 2000 or before mainly because of the Ashley Scott Jacket. Ashley Scott was not made anymore after 2000. The jacket stands out to me as being a different type of clothing from the other items that are very casual clothes. It also has a lot of decomp residue on it. I think it is likely something she was wearing rather than a spare piece of clothing that the perp would stuff in the trash can. It is possible she got it years before and disappeared wearing it in 2002 or 2006 for example. It is also possible that she bought it used later than 2000 as well. All this is just my opinion though. It is also possible this was a homeless person or very poor individual who had not been able to replace her clothes for over a decade. If we look at a missing person from 2010, for example, we have to find a way to explain the clothes all being from 10 years or more before that. I have owned a few Cherokee tee shirts, for example, and they only last a couple years before they start to get holes or pill up and fade from washing. The same thing with Jerzees sweatpants material. They are very comfortable clothes but will not last 10 years in my experience. The Levis Jeans may have lasted for 20 years because they were very sturdy material in the 80's (I have not bought any Levi's since before 2000 so I can't comment on their quality now).

 

[Vail]

What about Victoria Bakhtiari? http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3543dfco.html

I find the resemblance striking, but how did she end up in a car in Illinois missing from Colorado.

I wasn't sure how accurate their sketch is so was looking mainly for the general bone structure but WOW that nose is right on! It is so hard to know when to go on matching looks vs circumstances. This case seems to have a very large task force working on it...I hope she is ID'd soon!

 

[Vail]

I am thinking 2000 or before mainly because of the Ashley Scott Jacket. Ashley Scott was not made anymore after 2000. The jacket stands out to me as being a different type of clothing from the other items that are very casual clothes. It also has a lot of decomp residue on it. I think it is likely something she was wearing rather than a spare piece of clothing that the perp would stuff in the trash can. It is possible she got it years before and disappeared wearing it in 2002 or 2006 for example. It is also possible that she bought it used later than 2000 as well. All this is just my opinion though. It is also possible this was a homeless person or very poor individual who had not been able to replace her clothes for over a decade. If we look at a missing person from 2010, for example, we have to find a way to explain the clothes all being from 10 years or more before that. I have owned a few Cherokee tee shirts, for example, and they only last a couple years before they start to get holes or pill up and fade from washing. The same thing with Jerzees sweatpants material. They are very comfortable clothes but will not last 10 years in my experience. The Levis Jeans may have lasted for 20 years because they were very sturdy material in the 80's (I have not bought any Levi's since before 2000 so I can't comment on their quality now).

How likely do you think it would be for someone to go through such lengths to conceal a transient though? Something about this and her not having any shoes makes me think this happened in a home somewhere and I am very surprised they haven't found any link between the car owner and the UID. I wish they would say whether any bullets were found in the barrel.

 

[Gardener1850]

How likely do you think it would be for someone to go through such lengths to conceal a transient though? Something about this and her not having any shoes makes me think this happened in a home somewhere and I am very surprised they haven't found any link between the car owner and the UID. I wish they would say whether any bullets were found in the barrel.

I agree. I think it was likely someone who knew her. The lack of shoes in Chicago points away from a transient situation, IMO. There may not be any link to the car owner-- if the car was known to be abandoned for several years then it is not much different from someone hiding a body in an abandoned building. OR perhaps there IS a link to the owner but since the owner is deceased it has been more difficult to investigate (no clear connection to a missing person?) or the police are keeping that info quiet for a reason.

 

[Bit of hope]

I am thinking 2000 or before mainly because of the Ashley Scott Jacket. Ashley Scott was not made anymore after 2000. The jacket stands out to me as being a different type of clothing from the other items that are very casual clothes. It also has a lot of decomp residue on it. I think it is likely something she was wearing rather than a spare piece of clothing that the perp would stuff in the trash can. It is possible she got it years before and disappeared wearing it in 2002 or 2006 for example. It is also possible that she bought it used later than 2000 as well. All this is just my opinion though. It is also possible this was a homeless person or very poor individual who had not been able to replace her clothes for over a decade. If we look at a missing person from 2010, for example, we have to find a way to explain the clothes all being from 10 years or more before that. I have owned a few Cherokee tee shirts, for example, and they only last a couple years before they start to get holes or pill up and fade from washing. The same thing with Jerzees sweatpants material. They are very comfortable clothes but will not last 10 years in my experience. The Levis Jeans may have lasted for 20 years because they were very sturdy material in the 80's (I have not bought any Levi's since before 2000 so I can't comment on their quality now).

Victoria would fit in this timeframe, went missing in 1998 and would fit also with the bag with logo which was first used in 1996. Or am I wrong?

 

[Gardener1850]

Victoria would fit in this timeframe, went missing in 1998 and would fit also with the bag with logo which was first used in 1996. Or am I wrong?

Yes, Victoria would be a good fit for the timeframe. I am unsure on what size this UID was, however. The Cherokee item says S/M -- Small/Medium would not fit someone of Victoria's apparent size. But then the American Outpost shirt says XL -- Extra Large. The Russell Athletic pants and Jerzees both say size Large. I cannot see any size on the jeans and the Ashley Scott Jacket which are both heavily soiled items I think the UID was likely to be wearing. Victoria was 5' 11" and 190 lbs. I don't know if she would fit in these clothes. American sizes vary quite a bit from one brand to another, but those clothes would be tight on Victoria if she wore them, IMO. But she has a good facial resemblance to the sketch.

 

[Gardener1850]

Here is a slightly larger picture of Victoria and it DOES seem like she has the same type of nose as the UID:

https://apps.colorado.gov/apps/coldcase/casedetail.html?id=4

 

[KaylaraOwl]

Hmmm. Parts of her face look very similar and other parts don't look similar.

 

[Al Ka]

from older article - June 30th, 2017

The residents who found the remains had been renting their car port to another man. That man, Aftanas said, has been dead for some time, but the car remained on the resident's property.

"It's been there for some time, exactly how long we don't know." Aftanas said.

Aftanas declined to give any details on the car owner's death, citing the ongoing investigation. He did confirm, however, the remains found in the car are not those of the owner.

http://www.forestparkreview.com/News/Articles/6-30-2017/Human-remains-found-in-abandoned-car-/

Year 1996 is just starting point. Jane Doe could have been deceased anywhere between then until 2016 possibly even early 2017.

I have to somewhat disagree that this car is the same as abandoned building. Car was owned and parking plot has been paid for until owner's death. Car was locked and they had to break into it to retrieve trash can. Jane Doe is definitely in some way connected to the owner. What is interesting though that trash can was in the back seat and not in the trunk and also that owner did not get rid of it for very long time... it might point to some emotional attachment. Owner was probably on the older side (if he died of natural causes) and probably of lower socio-economic status due to very old black sedan, probably Oldsmobile which was described as in very poor condition. Owner very likely did not live too far from the car, at least in initial years when car was brought there and knew in some way this neighborhood. Residents knew about owner's death - if he was complete stranger just renting they would not know. Whoever owner was I am very sure that police going through this person's life with tooth brush comb as we speak.

Resemblance of some suggestions are uncanny, however tip of the nose on sketches of skeletal remains as far as I am aware, is always just an artist guess. (but Carl might clarify further)