IL - Kenneka Jenkins, 19, found dead in hotel freezer, Rosemont, 10 Sept 2017 #2

[theides]

While I was looking into "paradoxical undressing" after reading an article about the medical examiner's decision, I came across this article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/541627 (Forgive me if it's already been mentioned.) I'm assuming it's the same 1979 study a lot of MSM articles are referencing. I just found this snippet interesting, especially with regard to this case:

Ethanol and other drugs were present in 67% of the males and in 78% of the females, ethanol predominating in men and various psychotropic agents in women. The mean blood ethanol concentration in males was 0.16% and in females, 0.18%.

 

[Masonlodge]

Paradoxical undressing.
It's occurs in 20-50% of cases so it's not as it that's a sure cause. I think they only found it in 30 cases.

I did hear back from my friend and the thymus not accounted for is normal but NOT the portion of her lung. If she had the extremely rare disorder mentioned she and her mother would have known.

The interview her mother did is very interesting:

She and her daughter saw a camera above the freezer. The sergeant was aggressive with her about it not existing.

There was a fake activist Holmes who lied and wanted her to lie about seeing footage of kenneka walking into the freezer. He tried to pressure her into telling her to drop the protest basically to save the hotel money.

She did do a private investigation autopsy AFTER the police did theirs. However the results are still not in yet. So the twitter picture posted that claims her investigation found nothing is very misleading if not outright lying.

The day the police found kenneka they had the mom wait at least five hours because it was a "crime scene" according to the officers. Yet they took no finger prints or gathered evidence. So what was going on?

The hotel did not offer condolences. But later offered to pay for the funeral.

Lots of strange things.

 

[MsMarple]

Paradoxical undressing.
It's occurs in 20-50% of cases so it's not as it that's a sure cause. I think they only found it in 30 cases.

I did hear back from my friend and the thymus not accounted for is normal but NOT the portion of her lung. If she had the extremely rare disorder mentioned she and her mother would have known.

The interview her mother did is very interesting:

She and her daughter saw a camera above the freezer. The sergeant was aggressive with her about it not existing.

There was a fake activist Holmes who lied and wanted her to lie about seeing footage of kenneka walking into the freezer. He tried to pressure her into telling her to drop the protest basically to save the hotel money.

She did do a private investigation autopsy AFTER the police did theirs. However the results are still not in yet. So the twitter picture posted that claims her investigation found nothing is very misleading if not outright lying.

The day the police found kenneka they had the mom wait at least five hours because it was a "crime scene" according to the officers. Yet they took no finger prints or gathered evidence. So what was going on?

The hotel did not offer condolences. But later offered to pay for the funeral.

Lots of strange things.

Just a couple of points. First, if a camera above the freezer had been removed there would be evidence left behind, such as screw holes and marks on the wall where it had been. An LEO cannot make marks or screw holes left by a camera suddenly disappear.

Plus, Kenneka's mother's own lawyer had inspected the area early on. If he saw any evidence of a removed camera why wouldn't he have stated it? Why on earth would Martin's own attorney cover up evidence of a removed camera?

Also, the hotel did offer condolences on October 6:

Rosemont Police issued a statement Friday saying they have conducted 44 interviews, and identified at least 36 people who were in the hotel room that night — a room paid for with a stolen credit card. Of the 36, police said they have interviewed 30, but are still looking for the other six, who “are only known by street names,” according to the Rosemont statement.

That statement also notes the department has “had no cooperation with friends or family of the unidentified subjects.”
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In Friday’s court filing, however, Martin’s attorneys disclosed that Jenkins’ body had no signs of physical trauma — including no signs of sexual assault — and that all her organs were present and intact.

In a statement released with Jenkins’ autopsy results, the medical examiner’s office made a point to refute any other theories about her death, saying:

“There is no evidence, per the police investigation, that Ms. Jenkins was forced to consume the alcohol or the drug. There is no evidence of another person in the vicinity of the kitchen with the decedent and there is no evidence of an altercation or interaction with another individual in the time immediately prior to demise. There was no other evidence of external or internal trauma due to physical abuse.
...
In a statement, the Crowne Plaza Hotel offered condolences to Jenkins’ family, adding that “Her death stunned our company and saddened our employees.”

https://chicago.suntimes.com/chicag...jenkins-mother-file-motion-to-preserve-video/

Not directed at you, just a rant: I get that people still have suspicions about Kenneka's death but there needs to be more than opinions by those who are not connected to the investigation for the suspicions to have any weight. If Martin's own attorney concedes there was no sexual assault, physical trauma or organ removal then why is it so difficult to accept that a beautiful young woman drank too much at a party hosted by criminals using fraudulent ID who then stumbled around in a drunken stupor and wound up in a bad place?

Didn't the people at the party contribute the alcohol that made Kenneka too drunk to find an exit? What about her <modsnip> friends who left her while they returned to the room?

If there was footage of Kenneka being followed by anyone at any time in any area the hotel would jump on the opportunity to release the footage in order to lessen legal responsibility for Kenneka's death. It would mitigate the hotel's portion substantially, leaving only the question of whether or not it should have locked the restricted area to guests and padlocked the unused freezer. Her death would have been attributed to the unknown assailant - not the hotel.

Why are social media opinions outweighing the facts of the case? Because anonymous people posting on FB never lie, are smarter than LE and know more than the ME and LE? GMAB. MOO.

 

[wasnt_me]

I agree with a lot of what Mrs. Marple said, if not all of it.

I do have some points to add to it, not directed at anyone, either.

Camera above the Freezer:

• It just was never there. For one, it's an odd location for a camera when other, busier and bigger parts of the hotel are not even equipped with two cameras. Why put in two cameras in this small room?

• The pictures taken prior to Ms. Martin going to view the body do not show a camera up there. No wires, not gaping hole where it once was.

• There is no camera for that area listed in the non-operational camera portion of the police report. If the police checked on someone saying "help me" in the videos because FB was saying it, I'm confident they checked on this mysterious camera.

• There's no way to get up there to get a camera down without a ladder. There is no ladder in there.

What Ms. Martin thinks is a camera is really an overhead water sprinkler. People claim the cop is hiding the camera in the evidence bag. Anything could be in the bag from her shoe to torn out hair weave.

We see that some of KJ's hair in the front is really short. What if weave had been attached to it and she ripped it out while suffering hypothermia? I'm not saying it's a fact, but it makes more sense to me that it's her shoe or weave.

Here's a video done by gray hughes about the sprinkler. It also covers some other things Ms. Martin was questioning in the interview she gave.

[video=youtube;R3p2BcX_jRg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3p2BcX_jRg[/video]

He discusses a keychain, too. Ms. Martin believed the man had unlocked the freezer. In Hughes video, he says that might be a logical assumption, but the guy was using the flashlight on his keychain, per the police report. I don't think her assumption is reasonable because she says she works around freezers, so she should know they don't have key locks, and you can see there is no key lock on that handle. TM also says the handle is a glow in the dark handle. But if the lights in the freezer were never on before she went in there, the handles wouldn't be glowing. They need to absorb light to glow.

The interviewers are agreeing with Ms. Martin on the video instead of lovingly questioning what she says to make her see another alternative. You can tell TM is reading all the conspiracies because she's asking what the piece of trashbag is doing on KJ's fingernail. It's not a piece of trashbag. It's black mold or whatever that black substance is smeared all over th floor. Her nail laid in it and it got stuck to the nail when they moved KJ. It's not that hard to see that.

I don't blame TM. She's looking for someone to blame that isn't Kenneka or her friends. She can't accept that KJ did this. I don't think she can live with it if she blames the friends, so she's avoiding it. It's emotionally easier to go after the hotel and police. Heck, I'm still looking because I can't accept that Kenneka in walked in a freezer and just died. It is hard to accept.

Five hour wait to view the body:

I know people think it should work another way, but Kenneka's body and surrounding area was a potential crime scene. They couldn't let her in there while they were collecting evidence, taking pics, and whatever else they needed to do. It took a long time, but no one should take it personally or think there's a coverup if they are not allowed immediate access to a crime or death scene. We can see some of what they are doing on the upper kitchen footage.

The interview of TM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoDrm5Vt7vg

Most of the interview focuses on the mother's experience with the investigation, not the investigation itself.

 

[wasnt_me]

What is a logical explaination for the spec of blood that was on her right foot and why her right shoe was off somewhere in the other side of the freezer?

I keep thinking about how she’s kicking the door trying to escape and she’s kicking so hard that the right shoe flew off. When that shoe flew off without her realizing she kicked the door again and banged it against the metal door causing injury to herself.

I couldn’t think of any other ways as to why there’s blood on that foot and I haven’t seen much discussion regarding the blood, unless I’ve missed it, so I’m real curious as to what you all would think about the cut on her right foot.

I'm puzzled by the blood on the foot still, but Kenneka's shoes are untied. The laces are even yanked up in the center of the laced up portion. They said hypothermia makes you act out and try to undress. Maybe she started trying to undress but passed out.

I heard another plausible theory, though. When she walked in the dark freezer, she slipped on the ice coming down from the fan, and she could have fallen and hurt her foot. I don't recall how the person theorized the scratches happened, but it makes sense that she would fall right away on the ice in the dark.

 

[bears10]

I'm puzzled by the blood on the foot still, but Kenneka's shoes are untied. The laces are even yanked up in the center of the laced up portion. They said hypothermia makes you act out and try to undress. Maybe she started trying to undress but passed out.

I heard another plausible theory, though. When she walked in the dark freezer, she slipped on the ice coming down from the fan, and she could have fallen and hurt her foot. I don't recall how the person theorized the scratches happened, but it makes sense that she would fall right away on the ice in the dark.

She also could have been kicking the door trying to open it.

 

[al66pine]

“…TM also says the handle is a glow in the dark handle. But if the lights in the freezer werenever on before she went in there, the handles wouldn't be glowing. They needto absorb light to glow….”
Agreeing w ‘wasn’t me’ at post 1004 re ^ ‘regular’ glow in the dark feature not helping^ if fridge/freezer was not in use.

I’m not a commercial fri/fre expert & don’t play one onTV, but fri/fre handle may have had been illuminated by TRITIUM * and not by ’GLOW IN THE DARK’** feature. If inner handle orhardware had a tritium light, even if the fri/fre had been turned off and closed for days, weeks, months, possibly years, tritium in the handle still would have emitted light or a glow. Such a tritium-lighted handle (if it was trit) would have given a person stuck inside a hint or clue on where to push, pull, or twist to get out. Of course, not so helpful for a person impaired by Rx, street drugs or high BAC.

{Sorry respacing & word-breaks, etc. Tech difficulties, so my cut & paste from word doc. does not format correctly in post.}
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* “As tritium illumination requires no electrical energy, it has found wide use in applications such as emergency exit signs,illumination of wristwatches, and portable yet very reliable sources of lowintensity light….” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium_radioluminescence
** Glow in the dark: “Everyday examples of phosphorescentmaterials are the glow-in-the-dark toys, stickers, paint, and clock dials thatglow for some time after being charged with a bright light such as in anynormal reading or room light. Typically, the glow slowly fades out, sometimeswithin a few minutes or up to a few hours in a dark room.[SUP][1]…”[/SUP]
….In simple terms,phosphorescence is a process in which energy absorbed by a substance isreleased relatively slowly in the form of light. This is in some cases themechanism used for "glow-in-the-dark" materials which are"charged" by exposure to light…” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorescence

 

[wasnt_me]

But we see from the pictures that the handle is not glowing. Therefore, it probably isn't made from Tritium.



You can see in this picture here that is NOT glowing.



In fact, neither handle is glowing.

ETA, I don't even think they glow later, in the video tech's video when she pushes on them to show that they work. I believe she did that video september 11th, but I don't know if anyone had kept the freezer lights on, either. I wonder if the glow feature could have been broken, but that would seem odd to happen on both doors.

This is a random photo I found of a glowing handle



The Walkin at the hotel was a Forma Kool model. I looked up their website, but it really contains no helpful information about the door handle.

 

[wasnt_me]

She also could have been kicking the door trying to open it.

You know, I've been looking at that foot and it looks like she has some scabbing. You can't get scabs if you die soon after a cut. So I'm wondering if she reopened some wounds by falling or kicking and took off the shoe at that point.

But still. Both shoes are untied, so....

It could be scabs or it could be skin bunched up after being scraped.

To me, it looks like a combination of both. The coroner doesn't say it's fresh or not fresh or reopened, so I don't know.

I do notice that you can see her shoe impression on her pinkie toe. That means it wasn't a long time after her shoe was off that she died because, in my opinion only, it seems that with time, the shoe design would fade off the toe if she was alive.

It could be possible that she kicked the walls and scrapped the foot on one of the screws, I guess. But I can't see evidence of it on any of the screws.

 

[wasnt_me]

We can see through the office windows in pictures, but I can't see through them on the videos. Just wondering can anyone else see movement through the windows during the upperkitchen videos.







Now that I know you can see through these windows, I can see Kenneka just a little in them. Or I might be seeing things. I still can't see enough movement to say what's going on, though. Someone please check it out and say what they think. Had those windows been clean, this case might be done.

 

[Spellbound]

Wasn&#8217;t,I can see a Kenneka through the office window a little, but not clearly.

Studying her feet, I think I see signs of frostbite ... dark coloration, possibly swollen around the toes. Frostbite becomes quite itchy, I believe. I wonder if she took the shoe off to scratch it (doesn&#8217;t really look like nail scratches, though). Or if it had blistered and burst. I don;t know how quickly that happens, but is a possibility.

As for the shoes being loose, untied: was Kenneka known to wear her shoes untied like that? If so, she may have stumbled and one shoe came off. That foot might shoe more signs of frostbite or frozen areas, I suppose.

In some of the picutres inside the freezer, it looks like a muted orange glow near the top backside, as though there is a light of some type inside the freezer. Or am I imagining that, and it is only a reflection of something else?

 

[wasnt_me]

Perhaps there is some frostbite, especially on the toes. It's just such a mystery. the whole thing, really. I was trying to watch her shoes while she walked around the hotel to see if they were untied, but it's too much white to for me to distinguish it. I wish we knew if blood was in the shoe or not.

The orange light in there in the pictures is probably the light that is in there when they do turn it on. I think the police had turned it after they found her. Maybe. I have to study that more because it seems really bright in there once the police are taking pictures. So I really can't say what that light is yet. The guy who found her said he was using his flashlight on his keychain, and I remember on the video, the cop turned his flashlight on when he went back there, so that might be the light. Maybe they replaced the bulb with a brighter on while waiting to remove Kenneka.

I don't know that one.

I watched that Dr. OZ show, and I was upset and angry. First of all, Nancy Grace needs to have several seats. She didn't a bit more act like she cared about anything but her "something's not right" role.

dr. Oz got a bit more out about the drug, but not enough. The mom said KJ had no Rx for it, and she wasn't taking it to lose weight. She said if anything, KJ would want to gain weight.

It puzzled me that Oz said the alcohol level wasn't high. I don't know anything about those levels, but isn't hers twice the legal limit?

I keep thinking I might see her left foot move a little through that window in front of the freezer, but I really want to see the door open!

 

[JusThaFax]

Perhaps there is some frostbite, especially on the toes. It's just such a mystery. the whole thing, really. I was trying to watch her shoes while she walked around the hotel to see if they were untied, but it's too much white to for me to distinguish it. I wish we knew if blood was in the shoe or not.

The orange light in there in the pictures is probably the light that is in there when they do turn it on. I think the police had turned it after they found her. Maybe. I have to study that more because it seems really bright in there once the police are taking pictures. So I really can't say what that light is yet. The guy who found her said he was using his flashlight on his keychain, and I remember on the video, the cop turned his flashlight on when he went back there, so that might be the light. Maybe they replaced the bulb with a brighter on while waiting to remove Kenneka.

I don't know that one.

I watched that Dr. OZ show, and I was upset and angry. First of all, Nancy Grace needs to have several seats. She didn't a bit more act like she cared about anything but her "something's not right" role.

dr. Oz got a bit more out about the drug, but not enough. The mom said KJ had no Rx for it, and she wasn't taking it to lose weight. She said if anything, KJ would want to gain weight.

It puzzled me that Oz said the alcohol level wasn't high. I don't know anything about those levels, but isn't hers twice the legal limit?

I keep thinking I might see her left foot move a little through that window in front of the freezer, but I really want to see the door open!

I just finished watching Dr. Oz as well. He and Nancy Grace really sensationalized the story, and left out important facts. My heart broke for Teresa Martin though. The anguish on her face and in her voice was so evident.

 

[Spellbound]

I just can;t being myself to watch Nancy Grace or Dr. Oz for these cases any more. It is all about their ratings, IMO, not the honest facts.

I suspect this will always be a mystery to us, as much as I want to know some clarification on details. it&#8217;s a heart-breaker, for sure.

 

[bears10]

I just can;t being myself to watch Nancy Grace or Dr. Oz for these cases any more. It is all about their ratings, IMO, not the honest facts.

I suspect this will always be a mystery to us, as much as I want to know some clarification on details. it&#8217;s a heart-breaker, for sure.

I haven’t watched doctor oz (he is not that credible IMO) but I still don’t get what the mystery is. It was an unfortunate, tragic accident after a night of drinking IMO. I guess unless new details or documents are released that prove otherwise, I don’t really have much else to say. I feel terrible that this poor girl is no longer with us, and that people are using her death for their own agendas.

RIP kenneka

 

[bwt42]

I haven&#8217;t watched doctor oz (he is not that credible IMO) but I still don&#8217;t get what the mystery is. It was an unfortunate, tragic accident after a night of drinking IMO. I guess unless new details or documents are released that prove otherwise, I don&#8217;t really have much else to say. I feel terrible that this poor girl is no longer with us, and that people are using her death for their own agendas.

RIP kenneka

It's only a mystery to those that want it to be a mystery.

 

[LilacStar79]

All you had to say was Nancy Grace was involved and I just won't watch it. Ugh. I was rather hoping some scientific rational discussion could be started from the show but from what I am reading, apparently not.

This case has so much sensationalism and conspiracy theory. Why do you think that is so? What is it about this particular case?

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[whereareyou]

It's only a mystery to those that want it to be a mystery.

EXACTLY!!! I don't understand why people keep dragging this on and on?

 

[LilacStar79]

It's only a mystery to those that want it to be a mystery.

Well said.

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[Whiskers16]

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