IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #1

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ttp://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Fox-Lake-Police-More-Than-One-Shot-Fired-the-Scene-326489861.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_CHBrand

Coroner’s Comments Put 'Entire Case at Risk': Police

"The Lake County Sheriff’s Office said Thursday that evidence in the fatal shooting of a veteran Fox Lake, Illinois, police officer “supports our investigation that more than one shot was fired at the scene.”

Police didn’t reveal how many shots were fired at the scene of Lt. Joseph Gliniewicz’s death, “as it is confidential information critical to the investigation. Lake County Major Crime Task Force Commander George Filenko also commented that the coroner "releasing information which is sensitive to this investigation, puts the entire case at risk."

More at link.

I'm glad the ME spoke out. Nothing he said is putting the case at risk, but the way LE is handling this is. SMH.
 
  • #922
Lake County Authorities Blast Coroner For Talking About Officer’s Death Amid Investigation
September 10, 2015 4:37 PM

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/09...ast-coroner-for-talking-about-officers-death/

(CBS) – Lake County police officials have blasted Coroner Thomas Rudd for releasing information to the media about the fatal shooting of Fox Lake Police Lt. Joseph Gliniewicz.

Rudd told WBBM earlier this week Gliniewicz, 52, died of a single gunshot wound and died “fairly quickly.” The officer died Sept. 1 after he radioed he was in pursuit of three men. No arrests have been made.
The coroner said his office has not ruled out the possibility of suicide or accident, pending further forensic test results.

On Thursday, the Lake County Sheriff’s Office issued a news release in response, saying the Lake County Major Crime Task Force is “continuing to move forward” with federal authorities in pursuing leads in the officer’s death. This includes DNA material found at the scene of the officer’s death. Officials said it was inappropriate for Dr. Rudd to comment on the case at this time.

“Releasing information which is sensitive to this investigation puts the entire case at risk. All of the progress made since this tragic incident is potentially in jeopardy,” Task Force Cmdr. George Silenko (sic) said in a written statement.​

I am unaware of any progress, but that's just me. It just gets fishier and fishier as I see it.

I hope the kinks with the WS server get worked out soon. It is still acting up.
 
  • #923
Lake County Authorities Blast Coroner For Talking About Officer’s Death Amid Investigation
September 10, 2015 4:37 PM

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/09...ast-coroner-for-talking-about-officers-death/

(CBS) – Lake County police officials have blasted Coroner Thomas Rudd for releasing information to the media about the fatal shooting of Fox Lake Police Lt. Joseph Gliniewicz.

Rudd told WBBM earlier this week Gliniewicz, 52, died of a single gunshot wound and died “fairly quickly.” The officer died Sept. 1 after he radioed he was in pursuit of three men. No arrests have been made.
The coroner said his office has not ruled out the possibility of suicide or accident, pending further forensic test results.

On Thursday, the Lake County Sheriff’s Office issued a news release in response, saying the Lake County Major Crime Task Force is “continuing to move forward” with federal authorities in pursuing leads in the officer’s death. This includes DNA material found at the scene of the officer’s death. Officials said it was inappropriate for Dr. Rudd to comment on the case at this time.

“Releasing information which is sensitive to this investigation puts the entire case at risk. All of the progress made since this tragic incident is potentially in jeopardy,” Task Force Cmdr. George Silenko
(sic) said in a written statement.

I am unaware of any progress, but that's just me. It just gets fishier and fishier as I see it.

I hope the kinks with the WS server get worked out soon. It is still acting up. I just switched from my iPad to my computer to try for the third time to get this posted.
 
  • #924
Is it possible to post yet ?
 
  • #925
Knew this was coming, ugh.

More at link: http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...-police-shooting-met-0911-20150910-story.html

'Police blast coroner for releasing details on Fox Lake officer's death'

Law enforcement authorities in Lake County say the investigation into last week's shooting death of a Fox Lake police officer remains as active as ever, as they criticized the county coroner for releasing information they said "puts the entire case at risk."

"(Lake County Coroner Thomas) Rudd's actions are completely outside of policy, procedure, protocols, and are completely unprofessional," Undersheriff Ray Rose said in a news release. "The Coroner should not release sensitive case information while an investigation is still underway, it's completely irresponsible."
 
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Knew this was coming, ugh....

More at link: http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...-police-shooting-met-0911-20150910-story.html

'Police blast coroner for releasing details on Fox Lake officer's death'

Law enforcement authorities in Lake County say the investigation into last week's shooting death of a Fox Lake police officer remains as active as ever, as they criticized the county coroner for releasing information they said "puts the entire case at risk."

"(Lake County Coroner Thomas) Rudd's actions are completely outside of policy, procedure, protocols, and are completely unprofessional," Undersheriff Ray Rose said in a news release. "The Coroner should not release sensitive case information while an investigation is still underway, it's completely irresponsible."
 
  • #928
http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...-police-shooting-met-0910-20150909-story.html

The gunshot that killed Fox Lake Lt. Charles Joseph Gliniewicz was to his torso, Lake County Coroner Thomas Rudd said Thursday.

Rudd had said Wednesday that the 52-year-old officer died of a single devastating gunshot wound but he did not say where the officer was shot. He offered the new information Thursday morning, he said, to dispel rumors. Reports from local media that Gliniewicz suffered a wound to the back of his neck are inaccurate, Rudd said.


also: Lake County coroner jeopardizing Fox Lake investigation, police say

http://abc7chicago.com/news/police-coroner-jeopardizing-fox-lake-investigation/977112/

The head of the Lake County Major Crimes Task Force says the Lake County coroner is jeopardizing the investigation into Lt. Joe Gliniewicz's shooting death by releasing "sensitive information" to the media.
 
  • #929
Thank you for the link. My eyes about fell out of my head when I read:

"Three officers were present at the autopsy performed later that night, officials have said. Rudd and Major Crimes Task Force Commander George Filenko have both stated they have not spoken directly to each other."

Can someone tell me if that is common to have so many officers in the autopsy room when a fellow officer has been killed? I am also wondering about the lack of communication between Filenko and Rudd. Is that typical in that type of professional relationship?

Many Thanks!
 
  • #930
Thank you for the link. My eyes about fell out of my head when I read:

"Three officers were present at the autopsy performed later that night, officials have said. Rudd and Major Crimes Task Force Commander George Filenko have both stated they have not spoken directly to each other."

Can someone tell me if that is common to have so many officers in the autopsy room when a fellow officer has been killed? I am also wondering about the lack of communication between Filenko and Rudd. Is that typical in that type of professional relationship?

Many Thanks!
 
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Possible to post yet ?
 
  • #932
Thank you for the link. My eyes about fell out of my head when I read:

"Three officers were present at the autopsy performed later that night, officials have said. Rudd and Major Crimes Task Force Commander George Filenko have both stated they have not spoken directly to each other."

Can someone tell me if that is common to have so many officers in the autopsy room when a fellow officer has been killed? I am also wondering about the lack of communication between Filenko and Rudd. Is that typical in that type of professional relationship?

Many Thanks!
 
  • #933
Anyone found this online? Haven't been able to locate video of it.

I tried to answer earlier but the WS went down (for me?).

For anyone who has Comcast, the segment is on On Demand under AC360 9/9.
The short coverage begins at 0:34 into the program.
 
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Knew this was coming, ugh. Way to cooperate everyone!

More at link: http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...-police-shooting-met-0911-20150910-story.html

'Police blast coroner for releasing details on Fox Lake officer's death'

Law enforcement authorities in Lake County say the investigation into last week's shooting death of a Fox Lake police officer remains as active as ever, as they criticized the county coroner for releasing information they said "puts the entire case at risk."

"(Lake County Coroner Thomas) Rudd's actions are completely outside of policy, procedure, protocols, and are completely unprofessional," Undersheriff Ray Rose said in a news release. "The Coroner should not release sensitive case information while an investigation is still underway, it's completely irresponsible."
 
  • #935

I am a local and live a few minutes from the crime scene. I have been lurking on this thread and decided to sign up for an account. I agree 100% that they shouldn't be discussing details of the case. This coroner had no business releasing that detail without consent. They are purposely withholding key details because someone will slip up eventually that knows details that were not made public. I believe the Brown's Chicken Murders killer was caught years ago because a witness who testified against him knew a key detail that was never released (that a person vomited on the floor as they were dying). GI Joe is Dead.. It doesn't really help the public if it was his head or any other place. He is still dead. Although this investigation seems a bit uncontrolled, but need to let them do their jobs.
 
  • #936
looking4OPH ~ AC360 9/9 is On Demand if you have Comcast. Fast forward to 0.34 mins.

WS isn't working for me today - hope post goes through.
 
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possible to post yet ?
 
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Testing, testing. Are we back up?
 
  • #939
Lake County Authorities Blast Coroner For Talking About Officer’s Death Amid Investigation
September 10, 2015 4:37 PM

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/09...ast-coroner-for-talking-about-officers-death/

(CBS) – Lake County police officials have blasted Coroner Thomas Rudd for releasing information to the media about the fatal shooting of Fox Lake Police Lt. Joseph Gliniewicz.

Rudd told WBBM earlier this week Gliniewicz, 52, died of a single gunshot wound and died “fairly quickly.” The officer died Sept. 1 after he radioed he was in pursuit of three men. No arrests have been made.
The coroner said his office has not ruled out the possibility of suicide or accident, pending further forensic test results.

On Thursday, the Lake County Sheriff’s Office issued a news release in response, saying the Lake County Major Crime Task Force is “continuing to move forward” with federal authorities in pursuing leads in the officer’s death. This includes DNA material found at the scene of the officer’s death. Officials said it was inappropriate for Dr. Rudd to comment on the case at this time.

“Releasing information which is sensitive to this investigation puts the entire case at risk. All of the progress made since this tragic incident is potentially in jeopardy,” Task Force Cmdr. George Silenko[/I] (sic) said in a written statement.

I am unaware of any progress, but that's just me. It just gets fishier and fishier as I see it.

I hope the kinks with the WS server get worked out soon. It is still acting up. I just switched from my iPad to my computer to try for the third time to get this posted.

Now trying again for a fourth time after waiting a couple of hours while it was down again.
 
  • #940
:7:52 a.m. Lt. Charles Joseph Gliniewicz calls dispatch, reports three men acting “suspicious.” 7:55 a.m. Gliniewicz calls in for backup. (At some point, the three suspects ran into a swamp.) 8:01 a.m. Additional officers arrive. 8:09 a.m. The officers find Gliniewicz’s body.
Lt. Joseph Gliniewicz died on 9/1/2015 and to date no one has been named a suspect or arrested. In fact, the police in Fox Lake, Chicago are reluctant to release much information to the public at all. They are careful in how they word things, careful with just what is being released.
The corner is stating that he cannot release the findings of the autopsy until police give him everything they have so, we still do not know if the shooting was murder, accidental or suicide and if the corner could rule it a homicide although he isn't going to.
Something about this shooting is not adding up. The suspects just vanished into thin air? Were they were armed and then took the gun with them? They used the officers gun and had the time to wipe it of prints before other officers arrived? Did Lt. Gliniewicz get any shots off? Why has the autopsy report not been released?
All questions that have not been answered. So why not?
A few conversations are leading to Lt. Gliniewicz committing suicide due to primarily, the absence of any real up to date information being released by the police.
We have fear mongers trying to cause worry over mass DNA collection.
As well as police and government cover-ups and of course several conspiracy theories yet nothing that would bring us closer to what really did happen.

What no one has, to date are the facts of the case the only fact we all have is that one upstanding police officer has died in the line of duty. The public is asked to assist but with what? The police are refusing the release any real information, you cannot ask for help if you are misinforming or under-informing the public. You end up with exactly where it is today. Nowhere, no leads, no suspects no arrests.
That said:
Quite simply IMO, looking at it logically, Lt. Gliniewiecz died in an accidental shooting, either caused by another or himself. The police in Chicago rushed to judgement because police fear the public right now and mistakenly ruled it a homicide in the beginning without any evidence what so ever, thus the FBI, SWAT, etc jumped in to lend assistance. The further along the police got with the investigation the initial story of murder started to crumble. The video's have nothing on them that would indicate anyone shot the officer and then fled the crime scene so they have nothing to substantiate this officer was murdered and they are not quite ready to admit it.
I never mean to offend, upset or hurt others when I publish my findings. I utilize facts, careful analysis and investigative skills to develop a finding, I do not publish my findings because a media outlet "quotes" someone. I do not regurgitate what the media says nor do I publish findings to appease public opinion and I play no favorites.
This isn't a murder investigation, "three" individuals ran from police and then an officer was found dead. The police are looking for "three" men, two white one African American.
So why "if" the "three" individuals have nothing to hide, haven't they come forward? Put yourself into that position, no not shoes put yourself into living after this hit the media as a murder investigation now death investigation according to the latest statement by pd. Really live life as one or all three men, live it, breath it, be it. You'll answer your own question once you do that.
As I said that the findings would be inconclusive, no official report has been made yet because pd won't give info to the coroner. In case you are confused by official report vs what someone tells the media. After they do the manner of death is going to be one of two findings, inconclusive or accidental. More likely than not inconclusive so pd can save face and state they are still seeking suspects.
This is not a murder plain and simple. We are not going to find "three" suspects who did much of anything.
This is an accidental shooting and I have other cases to look at.
 
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