IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #1

[Woe.be.gone]

Because I have no idea, if LE knocked on my door and told me that is what they wanted to do, do I have to, or can I say, no. Or by saying no, does that automatically make you appear guilty in people's eyes?

An unforgettable case, 10 year old Jessica Ridgeway of CO was on her way to school early one morning but never showed up.
It was as if she just disappeared into thin air.
LE went throughout her neighborhood knocking on doors and searched residences and took DNA samples.

Austin Sigg lived with his mother in another neighborhood so I don't believe his DNA was on file but other evidence led to him. Since LE had DNA to compare, they collected his sample and it turned out the match.

In the meantime, all those other people gave their DNA.
If they were poi's for any reason, they were outruled prior to the arrest of AS.
Most people cooperate but when they don't or won't, I believe it is like you suggest, they end up looking suspicious.

Anyway, there was another case I remember when LE set up a long table outside a shopping area or Village Hall and male residents walking by were asked to submit a DNA sample.
Most cooperated because they wanted to help solve the case and had nothing to hide.

Therefore, it seems the procedure is allowable for LE to carry out.
Does anyone know the law or policy behind when LE resorts to deliberately collecting citizens' DNA samples?

 

[i.b.nora]

So, now, again on CNN. Commandore Filenko believes that once they get the videos put together and running, he believes that someone in the police department or in the investigative unit will recognize one or more of the three suspects.

 

[Montjoy]

Oh, I know it's happened a few times before. Very rarely. I don't recall it happening within 4 days of a crime, though. In those other cases, if memory serves, LE had a chance to investigate thoroughly before collecting DNA and had exhausted all lines of investigation.

 

[cassandval]

I live about 10 minutes from Fox Lake, and have been following the case since it happened. It has been a scary week around here. Just wanted to share my thoughts.

The local high school in Fox Lake is Grant Community. They start their school day at 7:40am. It is about 1/2 mile from the crime scene.

Officer Gliniewicz worked with the Grant High School Police Explorers. It was common for the officer to be seen at the school. He knew many of the students.

If he were on his way into work and saw three high school boys walking when they should have been in school, I have no doubt he would stop to ask them what they were doing and why they weren't in school. He might do this without backup because he had seen the boys before and was unafraid of them.

On September 1st, there were at least two high school students who didn't show up for classes that morning. One of the boys has a sister who went on FB later in the day and posted, "has anyone seen my brother?" The boy didn't turn up at home until Wednesday evening. I'm not sure if the other boy went home.

If it is high school students who are the suspects here, it makes sense that the police would keep descriptions quiet. It also makes sense that they would say in their press conference that they are confident the perps are still in the area.

I have contacted the PD and sent them screenshots of the sister asking for help in locating her brother on Facebook. I hope my theory is completely off-base.

Kristen

 

[Mountaingazer]

So, now, again on CNN. Commandore Filenko believes that once they get the videos put together and running, he believes that someone in the police department or in the investigative unit will recognize one or more of the three suspects.

Interesting! So he believes someone in the department or even within the investigative unit knows or has had a run in with at least one of the suspects. So at least one is probably local.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I hadn't read all the other responses so was just relaying what little I know about LE collecting DNA samples.
Various interruptions keep slowing me down.

 

[i.b.nora]

I live about 10 minutes from Fox Lake, and have been following the case since it happened. It has been a scary week around here. Just wanted to share my thoughts.

The local high school in Fox Lake is Grant Community. They start their school day at 7:40am. It is about 1/2 mile from the crime scene.

Officer Gliniewicz worked with the Grant High School Police Explorers. It was common for the officer to be seen at the school. He knew many of the students.

If he were on his way into work and saw three high school boys walking when they should have been in school, I have no doubt he would stop to ask them what they were doing and why they weren't in school. He might do this without backup because he had seen the boys before and was unafraid of them.

On September 1st, there were at least two high school students who didn't show up for classes that morning. One of the boys has a sister who went on FB later in the day and posted, "has anyone seen my brother?" The boy didn't turn up at home until Wednesday evening. I'm not sure if the other boy went home.

If it is high school students who are the suspects here, it makes sense that the police would keep descriptions quiet. It also makes sense that they would say in their press conference that they are confident the perps are still in the area.

I have contacted the PD and sent them screenshots of the sister asking for help in locating her brother on Facebook. I hope my theory is completely off-base.

Kristen

Now THAT is very interesting! It does seem to me, listening to today's developments, that they are seeking a local person or persons. As exhibited, for one thing, by the collecting of DNA from local folks.

Also, someone asked about female DNA. There is a word for it that escapes me right now, but it seems that maternal DNA can point in a direction, but not be conclusive.

I personally have mixed feelings about when I would or would not willingly submit to DNA testing, if asked. Of course, once you give it, you are in the system.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

An unforgettable case, 10 year old Jessica Ridgeway of CO was on her way to school early one morning but never showed up.
It was as if she just disappeared into thin air.
LE went throughout her neighborhood knocking on doors and searched residences and took DNA samples.

Austin Sigg lived with his mother in another neighborhood so I don't believe his DNA was on file but other evidence led to him. Since LE had DNA to compare, they collected his sample and it turned out the match.

In the meantime, all those other people gave their DNA.
If they were poi's for any reason, they were outruled prior to the arrest of AS.
Most people cooperate but when they don't or won't, I believe it is like you suggest, they end up looking suspicious.

Anyway, there was another case I remember when LE set up a long table outside a shopping area or Village Hall and male residents walking by were asked to submit a DNA sample.
Most cooperated because they wanted to help solve the case and had nothing to hide.

Therefore, it seems the procedure is allowable for LE to carry out.
Does anyone know the law or policy behind when LE resorts to deliberately collecting citizens' DNA samples?

If asked everyone has a legal right to say 'no' however most who have nothing to hide will willingly give the DNA sample so they can be ruled out.

If the DNA sample is wanted by LE on a person who will not agree to give one if they are arrested then of course the DA will go before a Judge and he/she will sign off on an order that the suspect must give a DNA sample along with a collection of head and pubic hairs most of the time.
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However; police are getting much more smarter in legal ways to obtain DNA. If anyone throws something in a trash can in a public area it can be picked up by LE to be tested for a DNA profile. Many suspects today are being arrested because the police had them under surveillance to see if they would throw anything away and they did leading to a DNA profile match. Many times they have gotten DNA from a throwaway coffee cup, cigarette etc. Once they have a DNA match then of course an arrest is made. I have seen them still go before the Judge and ask for a DNA profile once the suspect in jail. That cuts down on any defense attorney saying the DNA sample may have been contaminated when the item was tossed in the trash.

Anyone's personal trash become public property once the trashcan is sat out on the curb for the garbage man to pick up. The owner of the trash no longer has rights to what they threw away.

So imo, if LE has any suspicions about any suspects if they want to collect their DNA they will find a way even if they declined to give their DNA sample.

IMO

 

[hockeymom4]

I live about 10 minutes from Fox Lake, and have been following the case since it happened. It has been a scary week around here. Just wanted to share my thoughts.

The local high school in Fox Lake is Grant Community. They start their school day at 7:40am. It is about 1/2 mile from the crime scene.

Officer Gliniewicz worked with the Grant High School Police Explorers. It was common for the officer to be seen at the school. He knew many of the students.

If he were on his way into work and saw three high school boys walking when they should have been in school, I have no doubt he would stop to ask them what they were doing and why they weren't in school. He might do this without backup because he had seen the boys before and was unafraid of them.

On September 1st, there were at least two high school students who didn't show up for classes that morning. One of the boys has a sister who went on FB later in the day and posted, "has anyone seen my brother?" The boy didn't turn up at home until Wednesday evening. I'm not sure if the other boy went home.

If it is high school students who are the suspects here, it makes sense that the police would keep descriptions quiet. It also makes sense that they would say in their press conference that they are confident the perps are still in the area.

I have contacted the PD and sent them screenshots of the sister asking for help in locating her brother on Facebook. I hope my theory is completely off-base.

Kristen

Great first post!

I hope it ends soon and you can all feel safe. I have heard how wonderful he was to the entire community. I know many LE who would have done just what he did, in stopping and questioning them. Clearly, he didn't fear for his life when he stopped them or he would not have done it the way he did.

The thought of HS students has crossed my mind. I also, hope it is not true. Either way, I hope they catch them soon.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150904/news/150909372/

The comment below the article is a good one.
The person points out the cell towers in the area should be able to narrow down who was in the area at the time Lt. CG was shot.

 

[leah]

Great first post!

I hope it ends soon and you can all feel safe. I have heard how wonderful he was to the entire community. I know many LE who would have done just what he did, in stopping and questioning them. Clearly, he didn't fear for his life when he stopped them or he would not have done it the way he did.

The thought of HS students has crossed my mind. I also, hope it is not true. Either way, I hope they catch them soon.

I agree, great first post, and welcome. So glad you saw that, and sent the info to the police. I believe the suspects were young, and that Lt Gliniewicz either recognized one or all three, or since they were young, he definitely didn't feel he was in danger at first.

 

[i.b.nora]

There are a couple of FCC cell towers at Precision Drive and Honing Road.

http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Fox-Lake-Illinois.html

 

[Cubby]

If I may insert an opinion here, 128 Honing is the address of the Prairie Material - Yard 23 also being referred to as the cement plant. It's already clearly visible on steelman's map. And, he has already provided a street view of it from Rollins Road.

I'm talking about point b on the aerial map. It's a bit of a distance from 128. Are you sayin we shouldn't fine tune maps as more detailed information becomes available?

 

[katydid23]

I agree with you -- there are real problems with this sort of method. And where does it end? Should they be able to fingerprint everyone in town? Monitor everyone's phone and computer usage? I find it intrusive and insulting.

eta -- and while I have total sympathy for CG and his family, I find it a bit unnerving that they go to these lengths for the murder of a LEO...but what about all of the other people who are murdered? It's got to be very expensive to take so many samples and analyze them, and it is so very unusual. It really does smack of favoritism, as if the murder of one person is deserving of so much more in terms of money and resources than that of someone (anyone) else.

The have done similar things in murder cases against children, that i have seen. It is not only in cases of LE. It is often in cases where there is public safety factor involved.

 

[katydid23]

Oh, I know it's happened a few times before. Very rarely. I don't recall it happening within 4 days of a crime, though. In those other cases, if memory serves, LE had a chance to investigate thoroughly before collecting DNA and had exhausted all lines of investigation.

Then why, if you knew it had happened in previous cases, say that it was 'favoritism' being shown because it was LE officer as a victim?

 

[katydid23]

I would probably say no and not worry about what anyone thought.

People who say no will get moved to the top of LE's suspect list. :wink:

 

[Montjoy]

Then why, if you knew it had happened in previous cases, say that it was 'favoritism' being shown because it was LE officer as a victim?

I pretty much answered your question in the post you quoted.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

If the perps turn out to be kids from the high school, one or more mothers are going to be devastated too.
How three kids, although they could be almost 18, can keep their mouths shut this long is hard to fathom. I know they can and do though.
Although, it may be that only one local kid is involved and he was meeting up with the other two who were supplying drugs.
It is possible the local kid/s are scared to death from both ends meaning the suppliers (who may have done the actual killing) and LE.
Just writing down my thoughts.

If this scenario were true, it would be much better for the kid/s to surrender sooner rather than later.

 

[bluesneakers]

If the perps turn out to be kids from the high school, one or more mothers are going to be devastated too.
How three kids, although they could be almost 18, can keep their mouths shut this long is hard to fathom. I know they can and do though.
Although, it may be that only one local kid is involved and he was meeting up with the other two who were supplying drugs.
It is possible the local kid/s are scared to death from both ends meaning the suppliers (who may have done the actual killing) and LE.
Just writing down my thoughts.

If this scenario were true, it would be much better for the kid/s to surrender sooner rather than later.

If this is true I hope a parent figures it out and pushes someone forward.

If it's true they must be panicked beyond measure and close to cracking.

 

[Cubby]

What happened to the forensice Filenko said should be back by end of day yesterday?