IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #1

[cady]

Well, no APB for a vehicle so as best I can figure, the 3 were on foot. Traffic intersection cams must have found them crossing streets? If they got out of a car or in one, LE would likely know the vehicle by now, I'd think, and by now have the people in jail. Plus, they think the 3 are around the vicinity somewhere. So, keep an eye out for white males and black males, folks! JMO

 

[steelman]

Correction: 12:30 Central time ---- 30 minutes from now.


Live stream here : http://abc7chicago.com/live/23381/

 

[katydid23]

Did it happen yet?

 

[Tillicum]

Did it happen yet?

On live now.

 

[-MD-]

"We don't have any video relevant to the investigation."

They interviewed the 3 people seen on the video and have cleared them.


DNA from "unknown donor " recovered from the scene.

 

[Inthedetails]

"We don't have any video relevant to the investigation."

They interviewed the 3 people seen on the video and have cleared them.


DNA from "unknown donor " recovered from the scene.

Wow. I didn't expect that.

 

[TheDuchess]

So sad that the videos didn't pan out. Well, I suppose it is good that they at least located these people and they are apparently completely innocent. Glad they didn't publish the photos now, huh? If they had released those photos those poor guys would have been inundated, investigated, doxed, etc...and likely had their entire lives laid bare publicly on a worldwide level. Think Richard Jewel. I have the utmost faith in this police investigation and their integrity. I am also hopeful that the DNA evidence may be helpful.

 

[TheDuchess]

He also stated that the photo that was being shown around was by I think the FBI that was showing photos of known parole violators that were from the area, just in case maybe one of them had been out and about during that time. They were not showing photos from the video nor were they doing so at the request of the FLPD.

 

[leah]

So sad that the videos didn't pan out. Well, I suppose it is good that they at least located these people and they are apparently completely innocent. Glad they didn't publish the photos now, huh? If they had released those photos those poor guys would have been inundated, investigated, doxed, etc...and likely had their entire lives laid bare publicly on a worldwide level. Think Richard Jewel. I have the utmost faith in this police investigation and their integrity. I am also hopeful that the DNA evidence may be helpful.

By now wouldn't they have received some conformation on the DNA if it is in the system? If it is not in the system, don't know what good it does for right now, but I don't really know a lot about that type of thing. It's almost like these three people disappeared into thin air, hard for me to believe nobody saw anything.

 

[Dockins]

He made a statement that the officer was "found murdered", but he corrected himself stating, "found killed". This was toward the beginning. I wonder why the change?

 

[fraudqueen]

well, any thoughts, anyone?

 

[leah]

He made a statement that the officer was "found murdered", but he corrected himself stating, "found killed". This was toward the beginning. I wonder why the change?

What really is the difference in the meaning? I really don't understand, because for me it basically means the same thing? Why would he say "found killed" instead of "found murdered."

 

[PandaJ]

He also confirmed no camera in Lt's car.

This is all so very disappointing. How could three suspects just vanish into thin air? No one saw them come, no one saw them leave, they left nothing behind (except for possible transfer DNA)...just so heartbreaking.

 

[i.b.nora]

The DNA on the gun was noted as 'transfer DNA'. So all the people, other officers, investigators, family, etc. are possible donors to that bit of DNA. Anyone who might have touched him or touched the gun. Anyhow, that's how I understood it.

 

[fraudqueen]

I'm hoping the media doesn't let this case just float away. Is Illinois a freedom of information state, like Florida?

 

[cady]

What really is the difference in the meaning? I really don't understand, because for me it basically means the same thing? Why would he say "found killed" instead of "found murdered."

murder is a specific crime, killed by a gunshot is what happened whether another human fired the shot or a dog tripped over the gun and it fired or (god forbid) he fired it himself. They are investigating as if this is a real homicide (real, was his word). JMO They do have evidence that yielded DNA, no word on who it belongs to.

 

[steelman]

They said the DNA they collected was a transfer DNA, which means one of the suspects must have had physical contact with the officer in one form or another (or something at the scene).

What kind of DNA could be collected ? Could've been sweat, spit, blood, skin cells, urine.

What kind of transfer may have taken place ? Officers gun had sweat DNA on it, skin cells under officers fingernails, blood left at the scene by perp, sweat DNA on officers skin or clothing, cigarette butts at crime scene, coffee cups or drinking cups at crime scene, urine found on surrounding ground or foliage.

It's too bad the videos came up empty. The DNA is a powerful tool though if they can find a perp to match it to.

They have no DNA match, meaning the person who left the samples has never been tested, which rules out most convicted felons.

Of course, probably upwards of 90% of the general public has never had DNA extracted or offered samples.

They still have a lot of work left to do. This case may go cold if someone doesn't step forward either for the reward money or because they have a good idea who is behind it.

 

[steelman]

To me, saying someone was murdered makes it sound like a deliberate act.

Revising that to instead say he was killed, sounds almost like it happened due to a struggle or the circumstances at the scene, but not necessarily an intentional act.

I guess there is a difference, as slight as it may be.

I also suspect that struggle may have been the source of the DNA, sounds as though there may have been a wrestling match going on before the gun went off.

 

[cady]

What a mystery. I don't know what to think. JMO

 

[Woe.be.gone]

well, any thoughts, anyone?

What really is the difference in the meaning? I really don't understand, because for me it basically means the same thing? Why would he say "found killed" instead of "found murdered."

Hi everyone.
These posts triggered a thought - Filenko listed issues within the area the Lt. was found dead. They were - vandalism, drugs deals, squatters and hunting. He went on to explain there are deer paths within the heavily wooded area.

Yesterday I dvr'd the CBS 10 o'clock news but just watched it today. The report included information that the Lt. was shot two times and one shot hit his bullet proof vest. The other shot wasn't explained which would be the shot that killed CJG.
We heard earlier reports that two shots had been fired but that hasn't been officially confirmed.
What if the Lt. was shot down by hunters? Could this be a possibility?

On another note - it is hard to believe the investigation hasn't received a report from the coroner yet. Preliminary reports are available after an autopsy and sometimes a LE is present during an autopsy. I find it hard to believe unless LE is saving those details to authenticate a tip by someone who knows where the shot entered.