IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #1

[cady]

Do hunters load a rifle one bullet at a time using their bare hands?
The Cmdr. explained deer paths within the heavily wooded area.
Would it be illegal for hunters to be out on September 1st?
It sounds as if the Lt. actually saw the three though given he described them by stating race.

So much for the theory that unseen hunters mistook him for a deer. The hunters wouldn't be visible in that case.
Why did the Cmdr. bring hunting and deer paths up though?

How much trouble can one be in if caught hunting out of season?

Seems to me that if it is true that he was shot twice, once protected by his vest, then the other hit was probably his head. That wouldn't be accidental, to me, as both were good shots. I hate guns and know very little about them, gladly, but wouldn't LE know right away that a hunting rifle was used? Really puzzling. Autopsy could estimate how close to him the firing gun was. ????? JMO

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Where had Lt. CJG been prior to 7:50 a.m. on September 1st?
Had he worked out already at his normal gym nearby in Fox Lake?
Did he stop at Duncan Donuts or another regular coffee spot? His buddy joked about the fact that the Lt. referred to himself as being vertically caffeinated at all times.
Was anybody aware he would be headed to the area nearby the old cement plant as part of his normal rounds at that precise time?

Don't know why I'm asking these questions but it seems unusual that whatever was going on beforehand in the timeline isn't being explored.
His buddy said Lt. Joe would have coffee ready by 5:30 a.m. therefore he never had to make it himself.
It sounded as if they attended conferences and various police functions together.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Seems to me that if it is true that he was shot twice, once protected by his vest, then the other hit was probably his head. That wouldn't be accidental, to me, as both were good shots. I hate guns and know very little about them, gladly, but wouldn't LE know right away that a hunting rifle was used? His gun was fired, but they haven't said how many times. Really puzzling. Autopsy could estimate how close to him the firing gun was. ????? JMO

Yes, LE knows or would know but they're not telling us anything.
I can't help but to feel they're protecting info for other reasons that will be sadder still.

 

[angelainwi]

From a close friend of mine : "I work with someone who said her entire neighborhood was on lockdown for a manhunt last night and that they found "the suspect" in her neighbor's screened in porch this morning."

 

[cady]

From a close friend of mine : "I work with someone who said her entire neighborhood was on lockdown for a manhunt last night and that they found "the suspect" in her neighbor's screened in porch this morning."

suspect in THIS case? JMO

 

[Woe.be.gone]

From a close friend of mine : "I work with someone who said her entire neighborhood was on lockdown for a manhunt last night and that they found "the suspect" in her neighbor's screened in porch this morning."

Does this involve someone from Round Lake? The Cmdr. said someone from Round Lake was drunk and said he knew who killed the Lt. and that the guy is in jail.
Can't believe we've been skipping over this detail but the Cmdr. minimized the statement by saying the guy was clearly drunk (I took it to be like on his arse drunk).

Round Lake and an unknown Wisconsin town (Cmdr. said he couldn't pronounce the name of some of those small towns up there - lol!) were mentioned during the presser as potentially being related to the case.

 

[looking4OPH]

Why did the Cmdr. bring hunting and deer paths up though?

How much trouble can one be in if caught hunting out of season?

I am not a hunter, so don't know the rules. HOWEVER, even as a marshy area, this is mixed in with typical suburban residential and commercial uses. I can't image that this would be a legal hunting area. To the north in Wisconsin, hunting is much more common. South of the Illinois border, not so much.

While people shooting animals (definition of hunting?) may occur in that area, I would think if that were going on, it would be of interest to LE.

It was interesting to listen to the Lake County Major Crimes Taskforce guy (primary speaker at the pressers) stumble over hunting knowledge. As said earlier, Lake County is not a big hunting area, but there certainly are many deer in the county, as well I would think in that particular area. Odd that 'deer trails' was that unfamiliar to him.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I am not a hunter, so don't know the rules. HOWEVER, even as a marshy area, this is mixed in with typical suburban residential and commercial uses. I can't image that this would be a legal hunting area. To the north in Wisconsin, hunting is much more common. South of the Illinois border, not so much.

While people shooting animals (definition of hunting?) may occur in that area, I would think if that were going on, it would be of interest to LE.

It was interesting to listen to the Lake County Major Crimes Taskforce guy (primary speaker at the pressers) stumble over hunting knowledge. As said earlier, Lake County is not a big hunting area, but there certainly are many deer in the county, as well I would think in that particular area. Odd that 'deer trails' was that unfamiliar to him.

Said he's a city guy!
I had the feeling he's having to state untruths to protect the case and is having a hard time while doing it. Once or twice he had a slight deer caught in the headlights look on his face like when, at the end, a reporter asked if the DNA could have been deposited by the responding officers. Cmdr. said he didn't think so.

 

[cady]

Lots of great questions, Woe, but I'm having trouble with this puzzle, too because none of the pieces fit! Back to square1, I guess. He took the patrol car home the night before, which I guess is not out of the ordinary, but he was "on his way to work" when he either deliberately took a detour for the hell of it, or he saw 3 suspicious people who he followed there, but he did not sound very concerned when he reported his whereabouts and the 3 suspicious males, he declined back-up at first and then said OK because he was pursuing them on foot and they were taking off for the swamp. What on earth was going on? I am left wondering if he knew that something was going to go down that morning and that is why he took the patrol car home so that he could go to that area before checking into work. (If that is what officers normally do, to show up on time and get briefed? I'm lost! JMO

 

[looking4OPH]

Does this involve someone from Round Lake?

Round Lake and an unknown Wisconsin town (Cmdr. said he couldn't pronounce the name of some of those small towns up there - lol!) were mentioned during the presser as potentially being related to the case.

To clarify before things get confusing (cause it happens all the time around here) - there are 4 separate communities all bordering each other with "Round Lake" in their names, all just to the east of Fox Lake. I believe the 'someone' incident was in Round Lake Park.

Round Lake
Round Lake Beach
Round Lake Heights
Round Lake Park

 

[Woe.be.gone]

On CNN now, all theories are on the table but we're proceeding as if a homicide.
No idea or thought or theory is being taken for granted. (per Cmdr. Filenko)

 

[Cubby]

Seems to me that if it is true that he was shot twice, once protected by his vest, then the other hit was probably his head. That wouldn't be accidental, to me, as both were good shots. I hate guns and know very little about them, gladly, but wouldn't LE know right away that a hunting rifle was used? His gun was fired, but they haven't said how many times. Really puzzling. Autopsy could estimate how close to him the firing gun was. ????? JMO

Where has it been confirmed LT CG's own gun was fired? Link please. tia

 

[stg]

To clarify before things get confusing (cause it happens all the time around here) - there are 4 separate communities all bordering each other with "Round Lake" in their names, all just to the east of Fox Lake. I believe the 'someone' incident was in Round Lake Park.

Round Lake
Round Lake Beach
Round Lake Heights
Round Lake Park

All correct; the Chicago Tribune had this info in an earlier article this morning confirming the man arrested in RLP who claimed to have info but police were not calling him a POI or suspect.

 

[cady]

On CNN now, all theories are on the table but we're proceeding as if a homicide.
No idea or thought or theory is being taken for granted. (per Cmdr. Filenko)

TY. That's the way it should be. JMO

 

[cady]

Where has it been confirmed LT CG's own gun was fired? Link please. tia

I think at the presser on Friday? JMO

 

[cady]

Nope, not that one. I'm sure that I heard it said by an authority but I don't remember when. I'll delete the statement. JMO

 

[night train]

Where had Lt. CJG been prior to 7:50 a.m. on September 1st?
Had he worked out already at his normal gym nearby in Fox Lake?
Did he stop at Duncan Donuts or another regular coffee spot? His buddy joked about the fact that the Lt. referred to himself as being vertically caffeinated at all times.
Was anybody aware he would be headed to the area nearby the old cement plant as part of his normal rounds at that precise time?

Don't know why I'm asking these questions but it seems unusual that whatever was going on beforehand in the timeline isn't being explored.
His buddy said Lt. Joe would have coffee ready by 5:30 a.m. therefore he never had to make it himself.
It sounded as if they attended conferences and various police functions together.

If you view the route of LT.Glieniewicz's funeral procession,for the most part it mirrors what would logically be his usual route into Fox Lake particularly if he was stopping at the "snap cave" as he called Snap Fitness to work out.

So why go to a somewhat out of the way location with dirt road access to begin the day?

I could imagine happening to see something suspicious from the Rollins Rd.side on the way towards where the Police station is located on Rt.59 and then exploring further....But why be on somewhat out of the way Honing Rd.at 7:50?

Do Police driving their Patrol cars from home to work even need to start their shift at the station? Or do they roll into town and start patrolling ?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

During the presser, reporters were asking questions that have been answered already.
Cmdr. Filenko is being tolerant and polite as he addresses their questions imo.

At 12:38 p.m., discussion about the 185 leads began.
Last night at around midnight a phone call came in from Filenko's home agency
(Rollins Park) to inform someone was under arrest for a warrant. The person claimed he has knowledge of who the murderers were (as he put it). At mid day, the comment was still under investigation.

People flee over state lines all the time which is why Wisconsin is within the scope of the investigation.

Male reporter asks at 12:45 mins.,
Is the Round Lake Park individual a person of interest?
This was the person who had too much to drink but is not related to the case and is in jail according to Filenko.

Remembering I still had the presser on DVR I went back to listen again.
Two examples of tips were given - one involving Rollins Park which was still under investigation.
Then the male reporter asked about the Round Lake Park individual (who hadn't been brought up earlier to my knowledge) who was the drunk guy but is not related to the case per Filenko. I listened three times to make sure the reporter asked about Round Lake Park (versus referring to the comment Filenko made about a call originating from Rollins Park).
Anyway, Filenko insists this person (Round Lake Park) is not involved with the case.
He didn't clear the tip that came in from Rollins Park.

When was a person from Round Lake Park mentioned in the first place?

Anyway, I hope this clear things up - I'm spent!

looking4OPH - you were right to warn about confusion. Thank you.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

During a staff or village meeting, Gliniewicz was assigned to the area in which he was killed. The property is partly owned by Public Works. 12:50 p.m.

The three original poi's were cleared by receipts and other concrete proof they aren't the suspects.

 

[steelman]

The three guys that did this are watching it on the news everyday, betcha' anything.

I wonder how they are able to keep their composure, while at the same time keeping the anxiety and panic attacks at a manageable level ? I guess intermingling with the crowd at the local bar and discussing it among relatives may actually be therapeutic for them. What a great way to distance yourself from the crime while at the same time keeping tabs on the investigation through the local gossip.

I agree with the presser today, always have, these three guys knew that area and were very comfortable being hidden back there next to the marsh. These are locals. They work right there and they live right there. They hang out together and probably party together. My guess would be that they are actually pretty close friends. Two of them might even be brothers.

I wonder if they'll start killing each other off in an attempt to keep their secret safe ?

I wonder if they wake up a lot in the middle of the night and look out the window every time a car drives by or if they hear voices outside ?

All of this inner turmoil going on, and yet their friends and family notice nothing out of the ordinary. Just amazing.
Of course on the other hand, there may be a family out there that knows good and well their kid is involved, but they would never turn him in because that would fly in the face of the white-trash credo.