IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #1

[katydid23]

During a staff or village meeting, Gliniewicz was assigned to the area in which he was killed. The property is partly owned by Public Works. 12:50 p.m.

The three original poi's were cleared by receipts and other concrete proof they aren't the suspects.

Bet they were glad they kept their receipts!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

All correct; the Chicago Tribune had this info in an earlier article this morning confirming the man arrested in RLP who claimed to have info but police were not calling him a POI or suspect.

Thank you stg. You answered my question regarding Round Lake Park.
Your answer explains why the reporter asked the question but he assumed everyone listening to the presser had read the article in the Trib.

 

[steelman]

During a staff or village meeting, Gliniewicz was assigned to the area in which he was killed. The property is partly owned by Public Works. 12:50 p.m.

The three original poi's were cleared by receipts and other concrete proof they aren't the suspects.

That makes sense, there's a water treatment plant right next door to where this happened. That facility would be owned and managed by the city, hence his job to keep an eye on it. The main access to it is from Sayton road.
Ironically, there is actually a primitive trail and/or dirt road leading from the rear of the plant over to the old concrete business.

Seeing that dirt road was another reason I thought all along that the perpetrators may work right there in that vicinity. They would know how to sneak around back there and not be noticed. I'm sure they have access gates that are opened and closed at certain times of the day.

You can see it here on the map: I added it to the index on the left side at the bottom.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zAAmDUXJe_aE.kdNsSY53CGeU&usp=sharing

 

[cady]

Bet they were glad they kept their receipts!

No kidding! MSM kept referring to them as suspects, but they were persons LE wanted to interview. After screeching, I'm glad that their photos weren't plastered all over the news. JMO

 

[steelman]

If you notice, the wooded area behind the water treatment plant is also accessible through the rear of the Precision Chrome plant. I don't see any gates or fences behind Precision Chrome that would prevent access to the wooded area directly behind it.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zAAmDUXJe_aE.kdNsSY53CGeU&usp=sharing

 

[Woe.be.gone]

When I heard Sayton Road I couldn't believe there was a road with the name.

On ABC now.
He was shot twice and killed.

Lt. Gliniewicz was hit twice "once in the lower stomach region covered by his bullet proof vest and once in the neck area toward the back" (unconfirmed by authorities but being reported on abc six o'clock news).

 

[Cubby]

Nope, not that one. I'm sure that I heard it said by an authority but I don't remember when. I'll delete the statement. JMO

I thought they knew whether or not it was used but were not releasing that information public.

Now that I am thinking about it the information from todays presser regarding the dna found that did not belong to Lt. CG or the first responders. It wasn't said where that dna was found other than at the scene?

I only saw it once. If anyone finds a video of todays presser.


Chuck Goudie on ABC stating he was shot once in the back of the neck area and once on the lower stomach area which was covered by his bullet proof vest. Goudie indicated Filenko would not confirm the information on where he was shot, how many shots.

Goudy later went on to say they have not ruled out the the theory that .....and then my TV turned off due to the power saver, argh! Now i am going to have to find it on video.....

 

[Woe.be.gone]

No kidding! MSM kept referring to them as suspects, but they were persons LE wanted to interview. After screeching, I'm glad that their photos weren't plastered all over the news. JMO

Yes, have to respect the investigation for this and I can imagine their disappointment when the lead proved false. Their integrity remains intact.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, have to respect the investigation for this and I can imagine their disappointment when the lead proved false. Their integrity remains intact.

That would have been HORRIBLE if it was just three teens walking to school after stopping at Carls Jr for breakfast sandwiches and their pictures were plastered all over the news.

 

[katydid23]

When I heard Sayton Road I couldn't believe there was a road with the name.

On ABC now.
He was shot twice and killed.

Lt. Gliniewicz was hit twice "once in the lower stomach region covered by his bullet proof vest and once in the neck area toward the back" (unconfirmed by authorities but being reported on abc six o'clock news).

Those don't seem like self inflicted wounds, imo. Nor would another officer shoot him in the vest, most likely. JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

When I heard Sayton Road I couldn't believe there was a road with the name.

On ABC now.
He was shot twice and killed.

Lt. Gliniewicz was hit twice "once in the lower stomach region covered by his bullet proof vest and once in the neck area toward the back" (unconfirmed by authorities but being reported on abc six o'clock news).

So one shot was on the front of his body and another on the back? Does that indicate two shooters or just a chaotic moment when CG was moving around? IDK.

 

[cady]

Those don't seem like self inflicted wounds, imo. Nor would another officer shoot him in the vest, most likely. JMO

Agree, I don't know if it was Cubby or who suggested that there could have been more than three. Someone he did not see could have come up behind him and wrestled his gun from him... who knows. Or had his own gun or held him while someone shot. UGH. Just trying to envision. JMO

 

[night train]

When I heard Sayton Road I couldn't believe there was a road with the name.

On ABC now."
He was shot twice and killed.

Lt. Gliniewicz was hit twice "once in the lower stomach region covered by his bullet proof vest and once in the neck area toward the back" (unconfirmed by authorities but being reported on abc six o'clock news).

Yep,and if you check the map,further down Rollins Rd. a left turn at Devlin Rd. takes you to the Fox Lake Police Station on Rt.59

Welcome to the dark side

 

[katydid23]

Agree, I don't know if it was Cubby or who suggested that there could have been more than three. Someone he did not see could have come up behind him and wrestled his gun from him... who knows. Or had his own gun or held him while someone shot. UGH. Just trying to envision. JMO

When a cop chases three perps, the three usually run in all different directions. The cop has to focus on just one of them and usually assumes the other two are long gone and just wanting to get away. but it seems that in this case one of them might have doubled back and got the jump on the cop.

 

[bluesneakers]

Agree, I don't know if it was Cubby or who suggested that there could have been more than three. Someone he did not see could have come up behind him and wrestled his gun from him... who knows. Or had his own gun or held him while someone shot. UGH. Just trying to envision. JMO

Yeah, earlier I was wondering if maybe there were four people and the one he didn't see was the one who shot him. I was thinking maybe he knew or recognized the three of them and let his guard down a bit because he didn't think he was in immediate danger.

 

[cady]

CG made the call, but who knows how long he was there until he called in. He could have followed them for a while.....from where? JMO ..Did he do his usual routine no one is telling us.

 

[Solitaryone]

I thought they knew whether or not it was used but were not releasing that information public.

Now that I am thinking about it the information from todays presser regarding the dna found that did not belong to Lt. CG or the first responders. It wasn't said where that dna was found other than at the scene?

I only saw it once. If anyone finds a video of todays presser.


Chuck Goudie on ABC stating he was shot once in the back of the neck area and once on the lower stomach area which was covered by his bullet proof vest. Goudie indicated Filenko would not confirm the information on where he was shot, how many shots.

Goudy later went on to say they have not ruled out the the theory that .....and then my TV turned off due to the power saver, argh! Now i am going to have to find it on video.....

Chuck Goudie said that the internal investigation that has been going on has not been discounted. It sounds to me like all possibilities are on the table.He also said Lt.Gliniewicz was shot twice, in the stomach, and the back of the neck, and said he got this info from sources close to the investigation.

I just don't know what to make of this case! I noticed in a clip of Filenko that was shown, he changed "murdered" to "killed", and I wonder why? If it's true that Lt.Gliniewicz was shot twice where it was reported he was, that would be a murder, right?

 

[khaki]

I've just caught up, just a few thoughts/questions:

1. So maybe the discussion the other day about the Cora Ave condos was LE following up on someone in the videos who they've now been able to rule out?

2. If the two shots suffered by Lt. G. are accurate, maybe it can be deduced he did fire his own weapon after he was hit by the shot to his abdomen?

3. I wonder if LE is wanting to use the word killed instead of murdered to try to lead the perps to come forward, by calling it something other than murder? Also, if there is DNA transfer, perhaps there was a physical altercation?

 

[Cubby]

Ok, here is the link to the ABC I team information that appeared on the 6:00 pm news.

http://abc7chicago.com/news/authori...me-3-suspects-in-fox-lake-cop-killing/974805/

IDK why, but I am unable to view the video at the above link.

IMO we are all interpreting the info differently. Filenko correcting himself after using the word "murder" and changing it to "killing" indicates to me they do not yet have enough evidence to conclusively call this a murder. Time will tell if they are able to gather enough evidence to indicate this was a murder, or not.

They still have no evidence other than LT.CG's radio call that these three suspects exist.

I found the use of the term "first responders" not matching the transfer dna found at the crime scene to indicate the paramedics, not necessarily the first officers on the scene. But that could be just my interpretation which could be incorrect.

I don't think two shots rules out a self inflicted wound, accidental or otherwise, especially when a LEO would know how an investigation works and possibly try to influence the evidence. One non fatal wound and one fatal wound.

No one has come out and said that forensically it is impossible for that neck wound to have come from the victim, accidently or otherwise.

As for the Reverend (forgive me, I forget his proper title) making comments on mistakes. Maybe he was refering to mistakes made by the victim in preparation for what news might be coming out. Maybe something was shared with him as a way to help people with their grief during his sermon and he was given info that is being held close to the vest.

:cow:

 

[Cubby]

From the ABC I team link I posted above:

Indeed, authorities continue to hold back much of the information they know about the case, and Lake County Detective and Task Force member Chris Covelli says that they have not ruled out any possibilities in Lt. Gliniewicz's death and all theories are still on the table.