IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #1

[cady]

Bell schedules for Grant High School in Fox Lake.

1st period starts at 7:40 am so it's unlikely these were teenagers on their way to school.

http://www.grantbulldogs.org/domain/246

There is a late start at 9:40 but it's unlikley imo teens would be on their way to school approximately two hours before their first class starts.

I hope that the have looked at attendance records for that morning. JMO

 

[Cubby]

How tall was this officer? I am not sure why he would have his gun drawn. The investigators would know by now if there was residue on his hands. I do wonder if he was chasing people and shot himself by tripping or stumbling.

I think that the speculation by the media is seriously enhanced/compounded by the misinformation the police (gun stolen, etc) put forth. Thus, creating the atmosphere that is "besmirching" the officer's name.

Release the information or don't but you can't have it both ways or you get this kind of situation.

Using your post as a spring board. I think it is safe to assume if Lt. CG's gun was not fired, suicide and accident would both be off the table already.

 

[Thora_Jay]

I just went to the Fox Lake Police Department to take photos of the memorial in front of the station. NBC 5 and ABC 7 are filming in the front on side of the road .
I also took photos of Honing road up until the police barracade. Also the area surrounding.

 

[Cubby]

I just went to the Fox Lake Police Department to take photos of the memorial in front of the station. NBC 5 and ABC 7 are filming in the front on side of the road .
I also took photos of Honing road up until the police barracade. Also the area surrounding.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Can you post the pictures? Some members create a photobucket account with their WS user name and add case info that way..... just a suggestion. I would greatly appreciate it and I am sure other WS'rs would be grateful as well.

That the police barricade is still there tells me they are probably still in the process of searching the crime scene for evidence?

 

[Cubby]

[h=2]Wounds Through Clothing[/h]The passage of a bullet through clothing can alter the appearance of the wound and cause the examiner to reach different conclusions regarding factors such as the range of the gunshot. When there is clothing between the firearm and the skin, you will not find soot and powder on the skin, and searing is lessened or can be prevented. Therefore, the usual methods of determining the distance of the shooter from the victim cannot be used. Whether the powder passes through the clothing depends on the material, the number of layers of clothing, and the form of the powder. Ball powder can penetrate up to three layers of clothing, while flake powder may fail to penetrate a single layer.
Gunshot wounds through clothing can be telling, however, in that they can help determine the physical position the victim was in when he or she was shot. By lining up the holes in the clothing with the entrance and exit wounds, it can be determined whether the victim was sitting, standing, slouched, or in another position.

http://www.relentlessdefense.com/forensics/gunshot-wounds/


I found the above interesting. That could be a reason for a delay in getting information to the coroner?

 

[Elley Mae]

At 52, the tall, tattooed police officer with a shaved head could still be tough and intimidating if the job called for it.

http://mobile.businessinsider.com/a...in-illinois-was-on-brink-of-retirement-2015-9

 

[Chuz Life]

mayor also said he was more than frustrated by speculation around town and questions raised by the media about the possibility that Gliniewicz could have committed suicide.

“It angers me, there's no indication at all that it was a suicide,” Schmit said, adding, “To besmirch this good man's reputation on pure speculation just angers me, it's not fair to him, it's not fair to our town, it's not fair to the police department.”[/INDENT]

Seems to me that suicide is a bad word with some people? So what if its suicide? Lots of good men have committed suicide, IMO.

It occurred to me last night that there is something between murder and suicide that could have happened in this case. It is something that could explain the lack of any evidence of the three "suspects" and the inability of the K9s to pick up on any scent trails without it actually being a suicide.

What if, Lieutenant Gliniewicz intended only to fake an encounter with three suspects? What if he only wanted to shoot himself in his vest a couple of times and create the appearance (for reasons unknown) that he was attacked? And, then - unintentionally - he missed his vest.

Of course, this is pure speculation. However, whatever actually did happen in that area when he expired will have to correlate with the facts that we have so far. Facts like there is "no evidence" on video or otherwise that the "three young men" were actually there. No K9's were able to pick up their scents and there were MANY teams that tried.

I don't want to believe that Lieutenant Gliniewicz intentionally killed himself any more than anyone else does. So, I offer this only for consideration of the possibility that he may have done so by accident.

 

[Chuz Life]

Steroids never entered my mind.

Interesting. It was one of the first things that I thought about when I first saw a photo of him.

 

[Cubby]

It is important to note that clothing will easily stop gunshot residue unless the weapon is in direct contact with the victim; therefore, a close-range wound through clothes will have the same appearance as a wound made from greater distances.

https://books.google.com/books?id=k...ge of gunshot wounds through clothing&f=false

 

[cady]

I suppose that is possible, but I really don't think he would have wanted to live through the humiliation of being found out. JMO..............RE unintentional self-inflicted wound death

 

[Chuz Life]

I suppose that is possible, but I really don't think he would have wanted to live through the humiliation of being found out. JMO..............RE unintentional self-inflicted wound death

Good point Cady. We just can't know what his mindset might have been at that moment. As much as I agree with your point that he would have wanted to live through the humiliation of being found out though, I can see how his nearing retirement and other things could have been playing out in his mind too.

 

[katydid23]

Friday fundraiser benefits Officer Joe Gliniewicz
Fox32 Chicago
By: Craig Wall
POSTED:SEP 11 2015 04:02PM CDT
UPDATED:SEP 11 2015 09:25PM CDT

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/19060654-story

“CHICAGO (FOX 32 News) - Hundreds of people turned out Friday night for a giant fundraiser to benefit the family of Fox Lake Police Lieutenant Joe Gliniewicz.

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&#8220;The benefit included a live auction and silent auction, as well as raffles.

&#8220;Honestly we are looking to bring the community together, and raise a whole ton of money for a family that really deserves it,&#8221; said Jamie Deehr, the General Manager of KC&#8217;s Cabin."

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mayor also said he was more than frustrated by speculation around town and questions raised by the media about the possibility that Gliniewicz could have committed suicide.

&#8220;It angers me, there's no indication at all that it was a suicide,&#8221; Schmit said, adding, &#8220;To besmirch this good man's reputation on pure speculation just angers me, it's not fair to him, it's not fair to our town, it's not fair to the police department.&#8221;​

Seems to me that suicide is a bad word with some people? So what if its suicide? Lots of good men have committed suicide, IMO.

Of course. But in this particular case, if it was suicide, it was less than noble since he 'accused ' and described 3 potential shooters and put the entire region into a state of emergency. Many cops kill themselves. But they tend to 'cover it' by driving into an abuttment or they shoot themselves while cleaning their guns. No need to point out a suspect that just creates chaos in the community, imo.

 

[cady]

Good point Cady. We just can't know what his mindset might have been at that moment. As much as I agree with your point that he would have wanted to live through the humiliation of being found out though, I can see how his nearing retirement and other things could have been playing out in his mind too.

Would NOT have wanted to live through humiliation of being found out. Yep, he was a super active guy and no one has said what his retirement plans were, but for many, it's a sad confusing time. (LOL not for me.....I dropped out of the work force in my early50's,and my bankbook is evidence of it......but the freedom works, for me!) How, hypothetically, could steroids be involved? I know zilch about them except big necks and zits! JMO

 

[katydid23]

Bell schedules for Grant High School in Fox Lake.

1st period starts at 7:40 am so it's unlikely these were teenagers on their way to school. ETA, if teenagers were involved. That is speculation at this time.

http://www.grantbulldogs.org/domain/246

There is a late start at 9:40 but it's unlikley imo teens would be on their way to school approximately two hours before their first class starts.

I'd think there was flexibility in some students schedules. Some students might not have first period on certain days, for example. Or they were just going to skip their first class that day?

 

[TheDuchess]

I don't place much importance on how matter of fact and calm Lt. Gliniewicz sounded when he radioed in. It seems to be what they always do. I don't think his tone of voice says much about his level of suspicion,his calling for backup says more.

Even the dispatcher sounds remarkably calm after the Officer down call, it's what they do. In my line of work during an emergent situation if anything I probably sound more serene than usual.

Yes - I was listening to the scanner all night when that crazy woman called in and they thought they were chasing the guys. My heart was pounding, yet every single person I heard on that scanner was completely calm. I bet if you listen to some of the scanner tapes of 9-11 they sound similar. It's called being a professional. JMO. (P.S. if he was trying to fake it good, maybe he might put a little emphasis in his voice.)

 

[Chuz Life]

in this particular case, if it was suicide, it was less than noble since he 'accused ' and described 3 potential shooters and put the entire region into a state of emergency. Many cops kill themselves. But they tend to 'cover it' by driving into an abuttment or they shoot themselves while cleaning their guns. No need to point out a suspect that just creates chaos in the community, imo.

I agree, it would be less than noble for an officer to off themselves while implicating suspects and creating a bunch of chaos. But we have to consider the contrast between the legacies of an officer thought of as being killed in the line of duty and one that simply crashed his car or shot himself while cleaning his weapon. In my view, we have to take into account what the big picture intentions might have been and not just the fastest way out. Judging by the tattoos and such, It's obvious that the Lieutenant was far more obsessed with his image as a police officer than most cops are.

 

[Cubby]

I'd think there was flexibility in some students schedules. Some students might not have first period on certain days, for example. Or they were just going to skip their first class that day?

I would imagine anyone involved in this wouldn't give themselves away by showing up after ditching 1st period. I just think percentage wise, it would be pretty small for teenagers doing drug deals in the am shortly after 1st period starts.

I wish I could find it online because I saw on TV an expert being interviewed saying for that time of day robbery has the highest percentage of occurance. It might not neccessarily be robbery for copper and metals. House robberies are on the rise in this area during the daytime hours when people are most likely to be at work. 8 am would be the beginning of the end of the morning rush hour for those commuting locally to work. Probably more likely suspects meeting up to break into houses once people are at work.

 

[TheDuchess]

Great protection in most situations,but up close especially during a struggle there is a lot of the torso exposed.

A Police Officer wearing a bullet proof vest died from a ricochet bullet while on a firing range

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/gun-protocols-reviewed-after-ocala-officers-shooti/nkpBF/

O/T and perhaps a bit inappropriate, but the man in the photo is pretty hot! Reminds me of Justin Theroux. Sorry, but just thought I would point that out.

 

[Chuz Life]

How, hypothetically, could steroids be involved? I know zilch about them except big necks and zits! JMO

If Steroids were involved at all, they would only have been a contributing factor. You should google "roid rage" and learn more about it. (if you are interested)

 

[TheDuchess]

I hope this is OK to put here, but I came across it on the FB thread in Lt Joe's honor. A glimpse into the kind of guy he was and why so many loved him:

https://video-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/h...=1ebd6dc3a8c1da528d63775d29886d5c&oe=55F4A663

Hope it works.