IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #1

[Cubby]

I agree, it would be less than noble for an officer to off themselves while implicating suspects and creating a bunch of chaos. But we have to consider the contrast between the legacies of an officer thought of as being killed in the line of duty and one that simply crashed his car or shot himself while cleaning his weapon. In my view, we have to take into account what the big picture intentions might have been and not just the fastest way out. Judging by the tattoos and such, It's obvious that the Lieutenant was far more obsessed with his image as a police officer than most cops are.

Wouldn't the tattoos be more from his military background than his LE background? One thing I haven't seen discussed is how his military background might play into this? How did it affect him, etc. ?

 

[cady]

Wouldn't the tattoos be more from his military background than his LE background? One thing I haven't seen discussed is how his military background might play into this? How did it affect him, etc. ?

From tats and photos that I have seen, I would say military background,but social media is a no no. JMO

 

[Cubby]

I suppose that is possible, but I really don't think he would have wanted to live through the humiliation of being found out. JMO..............RE unintentional self-inflicted wound death

I would like to think anyone who is able to commit suicide they aren't going to care about being humiliated. IMO their choosing to try and cause their suicide to look like something else is doing so because of the emotional hurt it will cause those they love.

My heart is nothing but heavy for those who find themselves with no other option than to commit suicide, especially if they don't suffer from a terminal illness.

IF this were a suicide, and that is only speculation, his choosing to try and make it appear as a homicide imo would be to save those grieving. Their grief would be different imo knowing one chose to take their own life than it being taken by someone else.

I don't recall who posted it, but someone upthread said even if this is a suicide it doesn't detract from the many wonderful accomplishments Lt. CG made over his life.......

Whatever the COD it is sad he is gone and missed by those who he loved and loved him.

 

[Cubby]

From tats and photos that I have seen, I would say military background,but social media is a no no. JMO

Other peoples social media would be a no no, but social media belonging to the victim would be within TOS. We do that with MP's all the time.

 

[TheDuchess]

Wouldn't the tattoos be more from his military background than his LE background? One thing I haven't seen discussed is how his military background might play into this? How did it affect him, etc. ?

If you have looked at his FB page, he was a very proud military man and I believe his LE career was simply an extension of that. He obviously had a great love for his country and his family. But this was not a man down on his luck. (I have heard whispers but honestly who doesn't have a lot of debt with 4 teen and young adult sons.) If we were to find out it was a suicide, I would venture to say that he was trying to be heroic by leaving his family with a death benefit, college paid for, and the memory of a father who died on duty. If it turns out that he was killed, I would say that his background just exemplifies the type of hero he truly was. The one thing I see being very remote is an accident. He was no Barney Fife. He knew how to handle himself and his weapon.

 

[Cubby]

If you have looked at his FB page, he was a very proud military man and I believe his LE career was simply an extension of that. He obviously had a great love for his country and his family. But this was not a man down on his luck. (I have heard whispers but honestly who doesn't have a lot of debt with 4 teen and young adult sons.) If we were to find out it was a suicide, I would venture to say that he was trying to be heroic by leaving his family with a death benefit, college paid for, and the memory of a father who died on duty. If it turns out that he was killed, I would say that his background just exemplifies the type of hero he truly was. The one thing I see being very remote is an accident. He was no Barney Fife. He knew how to handle himself and his weapon.

I haven't looked at his facebook. I might later....... IMO, how ever he died doesn't make him less of a hero. His heroism isn't reflected solely in how he died, it is how he lived his life.

Suicide does not define a person. It is a event not a definition. Just like a disease doesn't define a person..... I hope that makes sense. I don't want to get too off track here.

 

[Chuz Life]

Wouldn't the tattoos be more from his military background than his LE background? One thing I haven't seen discussed is how his military background might play into this? How did it affect him, etc. ?

I am prior service military myself and (in my experience) it is a life long factor in a person's life. That said, most of the lieutenant's tattoos were police related. I can't find the post that described them but they were pretty much oriented around his profession as a cop.

 

[Chuz Life]

Suicide does not define a person. It is a event not a definition. Just like a disease doesn't define a person..... I hope that makes sense. I don't want to get too off track here.

Very well put.

 

[cady]

The final event of his life may, or may not have been heroic. In either case, it is tragic. JMO

 

[Chuz Life]

IF this were a suicide, and that is only speculation, his choosing to try and make it appear as a homicide imo would be to save those grieving. Their grief would be different imo knowing one chose to take their own life than it being taken by someone else.

Unfortunately, it's more complicated than what you suggest. If an officer is killed in action, their family is entitled to benefits from insurance and other financial funds that they would not be entitled to if their family member committed suicide.

There is a financial interest in having it be one over the other. Then too, is the legacy aspect.

 

[Cubby]

Unfortunately, it's more complicated than what you suggest. If an officer is killed in action, their family is entitled to benefits from insurance and other financial funds that they would not be entitled to if their family member committed suicide.

There is a financial interest in having it be one over the other. Then too, is the legacy aspect.

I don't know all the ins and outs of that........ and I don't know how his pension would work if he took his life.... but thus far, we don't have any reason to believe he was in any kind of financial trouble. Also, wouldn't he be receiving pension and/or retirement benefits from both the military and the PD?

Add in there our state budget and pension reform has been a big news topic since the most recent election. I have no idea how that affects the surbuban area's of IL and Lake County in particular. I only know enough about it to know it exists but not how it might affect LE of current retirement age. IF any WS'rs have more insight on the state pension end of it please chime in.......

I do hope answers are forthcoming soon.

 

[cady]

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[Chuz Life]

I don't know all the ins and outs of that........ and I don't know how his pension would work if he took his life.... but thus far, we don't have any reason to believe he was in any kind of financial trouble. Also, wouldn't he be receiving pension and/or retirement benefits from both the military and the PD?

Add in there our state budget and pension reform has been a big news topic since the most recent election. I have no idea how that affects the surbuban area's of IL and Lake County in particular. I only know enough about it to know it exists but not how it might affect LE of current retirement age. IF any WS'rs have more insight on the state pension end of it please chime in.......

I do hope answers are forthcoming soon.

You are asking detailed questions of things that I am not privy to and have not investigated on my own. I wish I had some specific answers for you and I don't.

That said, I can't imagine any pension plans will pay-out the same for an intentional suicide the same as they will for an accidental death or for a murder/ homicide.

I also do not know what the officer's financial status was. My previous speculations were not based upon that.

 

[Falcon500]

I would imagine anyone involved in this wouldn't give themselves away by showing up after ditching 1st period. I just think percentage wise, it would be pretty small for teenagers doing drug deals in the am shortly after 1st period starts.

I wish I could find it online because I saw on TV an expert being interviewed saying for that time of day robbery has the highest percentage of occurance. It might not neccessarily be robbery for copper and metals. House robberies are on the rise in this area during the daytime hours when people are most likely to be at work. 8 am would be the beginning of the end of the morning rush hour for those commuting locally to work. Probably more likely suspects meeting up to break into houses once people are at work.

He must not be much of an expert if he was talking about "robberies' of copper or "house robberies".

You can't rob copper nor can you rob a house. You can steal copper {crime would be theft} or break into a house {burglary).

 

[Cubby]

You are asking detailed questions of things that I am not privy to and have not investigated on my own. I wish I had some specific answer for you and I don't.

That said, I can't imagine any pension plans will pay-out the same for an intentional suicide the same as they will for an accidental death or for a murder/ homicide.

I also do not know what the officer's financial status was. My previous speculations were not based upon that.

I'm sorry, I was just thinking outloud. I didn't intend or expect you to have any answers to those questions.... they are just among the numerous questions I have about this case.

 

[Cubby]

He must not be much of an expert if he was talking about "robberies' of copper or "house robberies".

You can't rob copper nor can you rob a house. You can steal copper {crime would be theft} or break into a house {burglary).

Those were my not much of an expert words, lol. Not the person who was being interviewed.

 

[looking4OPH]

1st period starts at 7:40 am so it's unlikely these were teenagers on their way to school. ETA, if teenagers were involved. That is speculation at this time.

There is a late start at 9:40 but it's unlikley imo teens would be on their way to school approximately two hours before their first class starts.

I know for certain that the late start was not the schedule for that day. I posted earlier in the thread that the timing of that day's high school start would have meant that any students would have been arriving late that day. Not out of the question, but....

 

[looking4OPH]

I hope that the have looked at attendance records for that morning. JMO

Kids at Grant are aware that investigations into student attendance that day were happening.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I worked in a neighboring LE agency at the time of Officer Bean's death in 1999. It was devastating.
He was wearing his vest, but unfortunately the shot when through an unprotected area near his armpit. That happens.
Several have asked throughout the threads whether officers always wear vests. Different agencies have different policies, and I even know of some officers that have disregarded their agency's policies and not worn them. JMO, I had never gone out in uniform without one on...I had children at home. A little discomfort versus maybe a vest allowing me to come home in the case of my being shot? Yeah, never a question. In Officer Bean's unfortunate situation, that bullet went just outside his vest...but vests have saved many more.

http://www.odmp.org/officer/15215-police-officer-william-chandler-bean-jr

 

[cady]

I think that he wore a vest as a matter of habit, whether or not it was required. I can't prove it tho. LOL. That's why I asked a longtime ago if vest IS a policy in his PD, or optional. TYJMO