IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #2

[vestigare]

If I missed a shot at a position I desired and sensed it was because I shared my political views on farcebook or in real time?

I've no doubt I'd rest secure in the knowledge that no job is worth behaving Iike a trained monkey in a politically correct 3 ring circus.

I hope Lt. Gliniewicz felt the same...

He does however, have all the outward appearances of being fairly wrapped up in.his cop persona and the cop culture. Even retirement would have been a huge change for him.

 

[vestigare]

I agree. I'm as anxious as everyone else for more information but I'll wait till someone puts a name with their claim before I take it as fact. I mean seriously, what is the motivation for releasing confidential information in an open investigation? When you think about it, what if this does turn out to be a murder? How will all this suicide information from unnamed sources affect a jury?

Any good defence lawyer would use suicide or accident anyway if there was a shred of evidencd pointing in that way. It wouldn't require some rumor for the jury to be given that option by a defence as reasonable doubt.

I think some of this leaking is Filenko's team trying to keep the narrative of homicide alive. Rudd gave only very minimum information to show he is cooperating. And I believe a lot of this is just scuttlebutt.

 

[Elley Mae]

Fox Lake's annual town hall meeting postponed after officer's death

http://www.lakecountyjournals.com/2...eting-postponed-after-officers-death/aj53g1k/

I wonder what one has to do with the other?

 

[Elley Mae]

Top forensic examiner: Not inappropriate for coroner in Ill. cop shooting case to talk to press

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/1...oroner-in-ill-cop-shooting/?intcmp=latestnews

“That makes sense that the coroner can speak out,” said Dr. Michael Baden, the former New York City chief medical examiner. “It’s his judgment whether it’s appropriate or not.”

 

[tcer114]

But people are speculating that just the fact that he asked about the future of the program is somehow proof he was planning suicide. Wouldn't he also ask that same question iif he was retiring and looking at other future job prospects?

And why would he give his pension over, when he had 3 sons in college at the time. Pretty bad timing to consider doing so. JMO

I believe the mayor said the LT. Asked about the future of the program when he was gone, as opposed to when he retired. Poor choice of words?

 

[Cubby]

Fox Lake's annual town hall meeting postponed after officer's death

http://www.lakecountyjournals.com/2...eting-postponed-after-officers-death/aj53g1k/

I wonder what one has to do with the other?

The purpose of the meeting would not be addressed because the focus would be on the investigation, not village business as it should be. I think it's a wise decision to postpone the meeting until a later date when the focus will be where it should be, village business.

 

[cady]

He does however, have all the outward appearances of being fairly wrapped up in.his cop persona and the cop culture. Even retirement would have been a huge change for him.

We haven't heard much about his plans for retirement. He certainly put a lot of time and devotion into policing, but why as a healthy guy with the motivation and body of a "25 year-old" would he choose to retire?..He apparently had a lot of energy, and (at least to me) his continuous addition of more tattoos, in his 50's shows an interest in advertising his interests.JMO

 

[TheDuchess]

If I missed a shot at a position I desired and sensed it was because I shared my political views on farcebook or in real time?

I've no doubt I'd rest secure in the knowledge that no job is worth behaving Iike a trained monkey in a politically correct 3 ring circus.

I hope Lt. Gliniewicz felt the same...

He certainly seemed like someone who did not care what anyone thought. FWIW he was extremely upbeat and positive about it. At least from his comments.


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[cady]

So, we have a cop killer or three running around town and we are all going wait until someone gets back from vacation to sit down and discuss the evidence so we can explain to the public how we need to proceed.....

Yup, just carry on, folks. And if you see something, say something. But if you smell something , please keep it to yourself. JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

We haven't heard much about his plans for retirement. He certainly put a lot of time and devotion into policing, but why as a healthy guy with the motivation and body of a "25 year-old" would he choose to retire?..He apparently had a lot of energy, and (at least to me) his continuous addition of more tattoos, in his 50's shows an interest in advertising his interests.JMO

Me neither but the town hall recently had a meeting on police pensions.

FOX LAKE POLICE PENSION
FUND
SPECIAL BOARD MEETING
66 Thillen Drive, Fox Lake, IL 60020
Thursday, August 27
, 2015
–
9:30 a.m.

http://foxlake.org/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/1024

 

[cady]

He certainly seemed like someone who did not care what anyone thought. FWIW he was extremely upbeat and positive about it. At least from his comments.
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Agree. He seemed to have a lot of self-assurance, such that he could (and perhaps would prefer to) handle any issue casually and single-handedly. JMO

 

[m00c0w]

The coroner has put his name to msm indicating he can't rule out suicide and can't rule in murder along with the reasons why. AFAIK, the only relevent info that remains from an anonymous source is the position in which the body was found and the location of the service weapon.

We don't know yet if a jury is going to be necessary.

That's a very biased way of putting it.

You could just as easily say he can't rule out murder and rule in suicide. The actual fact of the matter is that clearly the wounds themselves don't point in one specific direction, and the coroner needs additional evidence to make a ruling.

 

[cady]

Me neither but the town hall recently had a meeting on police pensions.

FOX LAKE POLICE PENSION
FUND
SPECIAL BOARD MEETING
66 Thillen Drive, Fox Lake, IL 60020
Thursday, August 27
, 2015
–
9:30 a.m.

http://foxlake.org/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/1024

Looks like it was just about Behan's application for retirement pension ???? JMO

 

[Cubby]

That's a very biased way of putting it.

You could just as easily say he can't rule out murder and rule in suicide. The actual fact of the matter is that clearly the wounds themselves don't point in one specific direction, and the coroner needs additional evidence to make a ruling.

Those are the coroners words.

“We obviously know that a bullet killed him,” Rudd told NBC5.
“I can’t rule out a suicide. I can’t rule out an accident. And I can’t rule in a homicide.” In other words, while Rudd knows what his own autopsy revealed, he still wants some evidence that another person, or persons, were involved.


Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/investiga...fficers-Shooting-326100651.html#ixzz3m65TCMPw
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[Mountaingazer]

Those are the coroners words.

“We obviously know that a bullet killed him,” Rudd told NBC5.
“I can’t rule out a suicide. I can’t rule out an accident. And I can’t rule in a homicide.” In other words, while Rudd knows what his own autopsy revealed, he still wants some evidence that another person, or persons, were involved.


Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/investiga...fficers-Shooting-326100651.html#ixzz3m65TCMPw
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To be fair though, the next day, (Sept 10th) he is quoted in many articles as saying he is leaning towards homicide. I am still on the fence, it pretty much changes hourly which way I lean lol.

http://www.lakecountyjournal.com/20...over-media-comments/anc64cl/?__xsl=/print.xsl

http://m.nwherald.com/2015/09/10/fo...er-slams-coroner-over-media-comments/anc64cl/

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150909/news/150908761/

 

[m00c0w]

Those are the coroners words.

“We obviously know that a bullet killed him,” Rudd told NBC5.
“I can’t rule out a suicide. I can’t rule out an accident. And I can’t rule in a homicide.” In other words, while Rudd knows what his own autopsy revealed, he still wants some evidence that another person, or persons, were involved.


Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/investiga...fficers-Shooting-326100651.html#ixzz3m65TCMPw
Follow us: @nbcchicago on Twitter | nbcchicago on Facebook

Yes, the point is that he's explaining why he hasn't ruled it a homicide. All the quote means is that he can't determine cause of death yet, because he needs more information. You're using this quote as evidence that it is a suicide, when that's not the context of how it was used.

For now, he said, he has to keep an open mind, but the case is still a murder investigation.
“Based on what is coming from law enforcement agencies, we are pursuing it as if it is a homicide,” he said. “If we are told later that they don’t have evidence of a homicide, then we have to consider the other manners of death, which could be suicide or accident.”​

 

[Mountaingazer]

I just realized this morning a personal connection to the LT. My cousin is a graduate of the Explorer program. She got the short end of the stick in the parent department and credits the program for saving the path of her life. She is now a police officer in another state, but is having a really tough time with this. He was her mentor and the father figure she really needed in her life.

So, if any friends and family are reading here, no matter how this turns out, know that LT Charles did a lot of good in his life. He made a positive impact on many and nothing can change that fact.

 

[Cubby]

Yes, the point is that he's explaining why he hasn't ruled it a homicide. All the quote means is that he can't determine cause of death yet, because he needs more information. You're using this quote as evidence that it is a suicide, when that's not the context of how it was used.

For now, he said, he has to keep an open mind, but the case is still a murder investigation.
“Based on what is coming from law enforcement agencies, we are pursuing it as if it is a homicide,” he said. “If we are told later that they don’t have evidence of a homicide, then we have to consider the other manners of death, which could be suicide or accident.”​

No, I am using this quote to reply to your post slamming my using bias in my words. The quote demonstrates the words are from Rudd. Which was in response to your post that no one had put their name to the information indicating this is possibly a suicide.

Shall I go get the posts and put them in chronological so you don't continue to twist my words?

 

[cady]

To be fair though, the next day, (Sept 10th) he is quoted in many articles as saying he is leaning towards homicide. I am still on the fence, it pretty much changes hourly which way I lean lol.

http://www.lakecountyjournal.com/20...over-media-comments/anc64cl/?__xsl=/print.xsl

http://m.nwherald.com/2015/09/10/fo...er-slams-coroner-over-media-comments/anc64cl/

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150909/news/150908761/

Yes, because he was hearing and reading the same stuff that we were. But he was NOT hearing it personally (or, confidentially) from Task Force members. He later said that there was no "feud" because a feud implies communication, of which there was none. JMO

 

[m00c0w]

No, I am using this quote to reply to your post slamming my using bias in my words. The quote demonstrates the words are from Rudd. Which was in response to your post that no one had put their name to the information indicating this is possibly a suicide.

Shall I go get the posts and put them in chronological so you don't continue to twist my words?

But it is biased to selectively use a quote to show one thing, when in the very same article, he says they're investigating it as a homicide, and he can't rule it as anything yet because of a lack of evidence.

And perhaps you should re-check the post you replied to. For starters, it was not "my" post. Secondly, the question posed was:

"How will all this suicide information from unnamed sources affect a jury?"

The coroner never said it was a suicide. The coroner said it's up in the air right now, and they're investigating it as a homicide. Cherry-picking a quote of his to make it seem otherwise, though, is definitely bias.