IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #2

[cady]

I'll accept whatever the coroner rules.....if he ever gets the chance. JMO

 

[KristinSchmistin]

I'll accept whatever the coroner rules.....if he ever gets the chance. JMO

If it is a case of murder to cover up knowledge of corruption or criminal activity, I wonder the same thing as well.

I'm glad multiple agencies are investigating this for sure.


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

 

[vestigare]

So he shoots himself twice with his own gun? You don't have to fake a suicide by making it look like murder. Accidents are much much simpler. How do you know that he thought he could pull this off? He sure didn't fool you or that ex cop did he?

I don't "know" he thought he could pull this off but if this was suicide then evidently he did want us to think he was chasing three people which leads me to beleive be was over confident he could do this. And what is the saying? You can fool some of the people some of the time... I happen to have a healthy skepticism when it comes to police investigation theories. Call me a cynic....

 

[vestigare]

Hmm, ever go hunting out in the woods or just target shoot? Shells don't just get up and move. Dirt, brush grass, etc tend to make them stay put

I shoot all the time and find casings in the most bizarre places.
We also don't have proof he didn't shoot himself in one place and move to a more secluded to take the other shot.

It is all speculation based on leaks and rumors.

 

[Cubby]

His pride may have led him to believe he could committ the perfect "murder" on himself. He also might have thought he had little to lose since even if he was found to have committed suicide his friends would try to cover it up and he would be dead so he wouldn't suffer.

BBM. That is what I wondered too. Especially after all the tax dollars spent on the 14 hour search the day he was shot. Filenko went on and on about how much manpower was wasted when the women reported the false Volo sighting. If this was not as radiod in, the cost of the manhunt on the September 1st would be far more costly than the false info called in by the women who falsely reported the Volo incident.

 

[Cubby]

Respectfully, just because your neighbor brings his patrol vehicle home all year all the time, none of us could possibly have any idea how often Lt Gliniewiscz would have taken his patrol vehicle home.

The fact that it was mentioned in MSM reports, leads me to believe that he did NOT take it home all the time.

I had a friend and neighbor who was with the police department for many years, in many capacities. The last job being with the horses in the park. She never brought her horse home, ever. Nor did she bring any of her various vehicles home to spend the night. Some do, some don't. The only one that currently interests me is the late Lt Gliniewiscz.

A horse, really? You're comparing keeping a vehicle at home with a garage to a horse?

I added the information about my neighbor to indicate it not being unusual, since people here seem to think Lt. CG bringing his vehicle home is out of the ordinary. There is not anything to indicate his bringing his article home was anything out of the ordinary.

 

[cady]

I think that that woman admitted that her story was a hoax, but I am really interested in what Joe Battaglio (sp?) thinks.....did he just go off the deep end or is he privy to scenarios like this? I think he has a court appearance tomorrow...wonder if it would be live streamed? JMO

 

[Keefer]

I shoot all the time and find casings in the most bizarre places.
We also don't have proof he didn't shoot himself in one place and move to a more secluded to take the other shot.

It is all speculation based on leaks and rumors.

I don't think we are thinking in a parallel fashion. Once a shell casing hits the dirt or grass it tends to stay put. Some guns have a very consistent ejection pattern some don't. So yes shells are found all over the place but if a given gun is fired in a certain direction and that gun has a consistent ejection pattern the shells should be found in a consistent range from the gun and land in a fairly predictable location.
If the fatal shot was fired with the officers own weapon and that shell was found where it shouldn't be relative to what I just said we have a problem. On concrete shells can be kicked quite a distance in the country not so much.

 

[Cubby]

I wonder how soon they found the gun too and whether the first bullet casing was kicked away by first responders and explains why it was found a distance away.MSM at first thought he was still alive but I think he was dead on scene considering it was one devastating single gun shot and the first cop was more concernedonverned with his missing gun and pepper spray than giving cpr.

It was reported that machetes were used to cut through the thick vegetation when searching for evidence. Based on that description I don't think it would have been too easy to kick any evidence around. And that tells me why it took them appx 8 minutes to find his body. Hidden in the vegetation could also explain why his weapon was initially reported as missing but later determined to be found at the scene of the crime.

 

[Cubby]

Shell casing found some distance from his body. Is this true? Was it more than say ten feet? I wonder where the shell casing was relative to his body? Any reports of another shell found and its location could be a vital clue for the police.

Can they determine how many shots were fired from the weapon which killed LT. CG? It has occured to me his shooting off into a distance to try and provide some corroberating evidence to the three suspicious people he was following on foot may explain any other shell casings or related evidence found.

 

[Keefer]

I think that that woman admitted that her story was a hoax, but I am really interested in what Joe Battaglio (sp?) thinks.....did he just go off the deep end or is he privy to scenarios like this? I think he has a court appearance tomorrow...wonder if it would be live streamed? JMO

I am not forgetting about the young woman so soon. Just because she "admitted" it was a hoax doesn't change the effect she had. How do you know she isn't lying again? Has she done this sort of thing before? Does she have a criminal record, etc.

 

[Cubby]

Why would a cop need to think of a better way to commit suicide than a line of duty murder? He was thinking of the legacy to his family which is why he didn't just kill himself at home. He was over confident in his ability to make this look like a murder. So far if he did commit suicide he has been successful in making most of MSM and you think it was murder...

Perhaps he was disappointed in how his legacy would play out when he was rejected for the Chief of Police position he applied for?

His image of himself and how others perceived him both in and outside of his community could have factored in his decision making.

 

[Cubby]

Sorry, that is from the PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS BENEFIT ACT (PSOB) which can be downloaded online. This is the FEDERAL ACT tbat mays out payouts for LEO.

Thanks, no need to apologize. I was just trying to be helpful. I appreciate all the info you have shared. It's really opened my eyes to some different idea's and info.

 

[Cubby]

I think that that woman admitted that her story was a hoax, but I am really interested in what Joe Battaglio (sp?) thinks.....did he just go off the deep end or is he privy to scenarios like this? I think he has a court appearance tomorrow...wonder if it would be live streamed? JMO

I don't think it will be live streamed but it would be cool if a local was available to go sit in and report back to us what occurred in court.

 

[vestigare]

BBM. That is what I wondered too. Especially after all the tax dollars spent on the 14 hour search the day he was shot. Filenko went on and on about how much manpower was wasted when the women reported the false Volo sighting. If this was not as radiod in, the cost of the manhunt on the September 1st would be far more costly than the false info called in by the women who falsely reported the Volo incident.

That is what I think is beginning to happen. He did just enough to make it look like murder and once they started to suspect suicide they were in so deep it is going to be a PR disaster with huge financial ramifications for an area of the country already wracked with police corruption and debt.

Besides they still have to explain why he was worthy of millions in a manhunt when other murder victims barely warrant an investigation.

 

[cady]

CNN now Feds have scaled back involvement in this investigation. US Marshals left a week ago. Rosa Flores, Chicago JMO

 

[i.b.nora]

A horse, really? You're comparing keeping a vehicle at home with a garage to a horse?

I added the information about my neighbor to indicate it not being unusual, since people here seem to think Lt. CG bringing his vehicle home is out of the ordinary. There is not anything to indicate his bringing his article home was anything out of the ordinary.

I am not talking about it being an extraordinary thing for a police officer to do. I am simply wondering how often did Gliniewiscz take his patrol vehicle home for the night? I understand that some police officers do take their vehicles home. But, did Gliniewiscz do it every night? Once a week? Once a month? Once a year?

And, while we are at it, why should the good citizens of Fox Lake pay for the extra gasoline it would require for him to take it home to another town? It would be one thing if it was once in awhile, quite another if it was every night.

It is a simple question really, which I personally would like to know the answer to.

 

[vestigare]

I don't think we are thinking in a parallel fashion. Once a shell casing hits the dirt or grass it tends to stay put. Some guns have a very consistent ejection pattern some don't. So yes shells are found all over the place but if a given gun is fired in a certain direction and that gun has a consistent ejection pattern the shells should be found in a consistent range from the gun and land in a fairly predictable location.
If the fatal shot was fired with the officers own weapon and that shell was found where it shouldn't be relative to what I just said we have a problem. On concrete shells can be kicked quite a distance in the country not so much.

Its not a problem if be fired the gun and walked twenty feet into the woods and fired again.

It isn't a problem if the first casing ejected into his pants cuff and fell out later when they were transporting him to the ambulance.

It isn't a problem if the casing was picked up in a wheel tread a deposited elsewhere.

There are very logical reasons why a casing can end up miles away from where it was ejected.

 

[vestigare]

Can they determine how many shots were fired from the weapon which killed LT. CG? It has occured to me his shooting off into a distance to try and provide some corroberating evidence to the three suspicious people he was following on foot may explain any other shell casings or related evidence found.

They should be able to tell with some accuracy how many bullets he fired from gun powder residue splatter on his clothing. The gun won't really tell other than you will know what bullets came from that gun. They can also tell tell how close to the body the gun wss when fired and antle of the gun from the gun powder as well as ejection. But I am not sure they properly preserved the scene to determine casing ejection trajectory.

 

[LinearUmberto]

Perhaps he was disappointed in how his legacy would play out when he was rejected for the Chief of Police position he applied for?

His image of himself and how others perceived him both in and outside of his community could have factored in his decision making.

I mentioned this a week ago now regarding how he felt in his f'book post after being rejected for the chief role - no one wanted to believe it then, but with the lack of evidence being released, it's looking like perhaps it could be related. There is also a public post about him not having enough money to travel to a mud race in Colorado. Granted, lots of people probably feel this way about not having the money to travel, but you may have to start to wonder if there is something deeper.

It's just all a little fishy with the corruption in the department (investigation and chief retiring), the retirement dates fluctuating (between he should already be retired through he's supposed to retire by the end of the year), and the lack of evidence panning out.

Why haven't we heard where we was before his radio call? Was he at the gym? Coffee? Surely someone would know. Does the mayor or chief have any more information about their meetings with him? Was there something he was upset about at work or with the upcoming retirement? Lots of questions and no evidence/answers coming out. Right now the public has NOTHING to go on in terms of locating the "suspects"...