IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #2

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Also I knew and posted earlier that sometimes LE represents during an autopsy.
But, in this case, three LE were present during the autopsy.
Three? Big head tilt moment for me and I noted another poster commented on the same earlier.
 
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After the dogs and everyone stomping around in the swampy area, later in the week I remember Filenko saying they sent people in to whack down all the vegetation (my words, paraphrasing) and it is after that that he claimed they found a "significant" piece of evidence.
 
  • #344
All I could find was it saying three officers. No ranks or titles.

I'm going with Task Force guys, for now , because it makes some sense, LOL.......But noting that the 3 guys saw exactly what went down at the autopsy. (Which, I think, was Rudd's POINT!) Filenko was not in the dark, unless he was spun or just found the possibility of suicide unpalatable....JMO
 
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I'm going with Task Force guys, for now , because it makes some sense, LOL.......But noting that the 3 guys saw exactly what went down at the autopsy. (Which, I think, was Rudd's POINT!) Filenko was not in the dark, unless he was spun or just found the possibility of suicide unpalatable....JMO

Exactly!

I think Filenko pretty much admitted he ain't talkin to no stinkin Rudd about nuttin. So he isn't interested in what happened at the autopsy.
 
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I could be wrong but I think that video was part of the Chronological videos the FBI was putting together that captured the trio they later cleared via eye witness and receipts.

I'm thinking that might be the case, too. Thanks.
 
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Hopefully the DNA found under CG's fingernails will lead to some answers.
 
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After the dogs and everyone stomping around in the swampy area, later in the week I remember Filenko saying they sent people in to whack down all the vegetation (my words, paraphrasing) and it is after that that he claimed they found a "significant" piece of evidence.

Which was just a huge WTH? moment for me. You had hundreds out there and days later found some stuff? If that was true, and I am not saying it wasn't, some heads need to roll at the FBI and Marshalls because you just don't screw up like that and fail to find some significant evidence that local LEO find days later.
 
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Hopefully the DNA found under CG's fingernails will lead to some answers.

That DNA could have a very legit source not relate to this at all. He could have scratched a foam pad at his gym while doing nautilus.
They would need a suspect to match and hopefully one with matching scratch wounds.
 
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That DNA could have a very legit source not relate to this at all. He could have scratched a foam pad at his gym while doing nautilus.
They would need a suspect to match and hopefully one with matching scratch wounds.

Yes but what if it matches DNA evidence found at the scene?
 
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Yes but what if it matches DNA evidence found at the scene?

In what way are you thinking?

Like Urine or blood at the scene and then DNA under fingernails? That would be a huge clue and pretty hard to discount unless you want to go way out there and say he planted it all which even I would say would be a pretty out there scenario. LOL

ALTHOUGH... the police have collected a lot of DNA from a lot of folks and came up with the evidence after collecting a lot of it.....LOL

I remembered something after posting about DNA being planted.
Lake County Illinois has a high profile investigation (Juan Rivera Case) going on right now regarding police planting blood. The man served quite a bit of time in prison for the crime before being cleared by other evidence. Turns out the item the blood was placed on wasn't yet for sale when the crime took place so had to have been planted.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-juan-rivera-shoes-met-20141210-story.html

This county is apparently a mess.
 
  • #354
Other officers cover for other officers every day, all day in this country. Sorry, but that is just a fact. And they may not think it is a big deal because he did so much for the department and the money goes to his family. They also didn't go into this assuming it was suicide and are sort of now stuck looking rather foolish if it is suicide and would look pretty bad themselves, so at this point it might be more about saving their own skin.

But you are right he would have needed to assume they would cover or they wouldn't investigate enough to know the difference, which is huge.

Yes, they do! You are right about the bolded above. BUT here's where you went a little astray- Officers cover for fellow officers for very specific reasons:
A) To cover up a situation that would cause said officer to lose their job
B) To cover up a situation that would cause said officer to lose their freedom (criminal charges, jail)
C) To cover up a situation that would cause said officer (and others involved) to illegally reap great reward (money from a drug bust, drugs, assets- property, cars, etc)

What they DON'T do is manufacture a cover up that would immediately place them in jeopardy of losing literally everything: their job, income, career, benefits, ability to provide for their family, integrity, reputation, and even freedom.

My husbands dept has lost three officers in as many years from suicide unfortunately. It's a horrible thing. Overwhelming sadness, anger, disdain at how they could betray their badge and oath to their fellow officers, family, community, and take their own lives selfishly. It's one of the ultimate betrayals - and the exact opposite of being loyal to your "blue family."

TRUST .... no one is making ANY moves to do any favors for an officer that betrays fellow officers, their family, friends by selfishly taking their own life. The family will be okay financially, they will still receive death benefits. They can still receive the money from fundraisers, etc, get lump sum payment, receive health insurance benefits for the rest of their lives, etc.


So my point is- and sorry this got wordy- but no- no one is going to cover up for a suicide. Exactly the opposite. You don't stick up for people who aren't loyal to you or their family.

Ergo, suicide is NOT what happened here.

This is a very important point to illustrate because it just isn't logical or rational to put energy into this theory. And I hope you don't think I am trying to be snarky- I'm just trying to be thorough.

We should be putting focus on key players and motives for murder - but murder that was planned and not a random ambush by civilians that got out of hand. This was a calculated attack. There IS a lot more going on. Something really bad.

Lake county is SO corrupt. I made a couple other posts about Filenko - he's done some dirty stuff before. It's right up his alley. They haven't even released all of the information the coroner needs to finish the examination - they are withholding information.
 
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Which was just a huge WTH? moment for me. You had hundreds out there and days later found some stuff? If that was true, and I am not saying it wasn't, some heads need to roll at the FBI and Marshal'ls because you just don't screw up like that and fail to find some significant evidence that locals find days later.
It wasn't locals who whacked down everything, it was official people. I'm fairly certain. Nevertheless, it was jaw-dropping to me.
 
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Initial officers on scene heard the final gunshot, so it stands to reason that whoever was there (supposing it was a murder), would have focused on escaping without getting killed by responding officers at that point. Then you have DNA found at the scene that implies there were, in fact, other people there. Along with casings being found a distance from the body.


JMO

RSBM.
BBM. Do you have a link for this? This is the first I've heard the first officers on the scene heard the final gunshot.
 
  • #358
Yes, they do! You are right about the bolded above. BUT here's where you went a little astray- Officers cover for fellow officers for very specific reasons:
A) To cover up a situation that would cause said officer to lose their job
B) To cover up a situation that would cause said officer to lose their freedom (criminal charges, jail)
C) To cover up a situation that would cause said officer (and others involved) to illegally reap great reward (money from a drug bust, drugs, assets- property, cars, etc)

What they DON'T do is manufacture a cover up that would immediately place them in jeopardy of losing literally everything: their job, income, career, benefits, ability to provide for their family, integrity, reputation, and even freedom.

My husbands dept has lost three officers in as many years from suicide unfortunately. It's a horrible thing. Overwhelming sadness, anger, disdain at how they could betray their badge and oath to their fellow officers, family, community, and take their own lives selfishly. It's one of the ultimate betrayals - and the exact opposite of being loyal to your "blue family."

TRUST .... no one is making ANY moves to do any favors for an officer that betrays fellow officers, their family, friends by selfishly taking their own life. The family will be okay financially, they will still receive death benefits. They can still receive the money from fundraisers, etc, get lump sum payment, receive health insurance benefits for the rest of their lives, etc.


So my point is- and sorry this got wordy- but no- no one is going to cover up for a suicide. Exactly the opposite. You don't stick up for people who aren't loyal to you or their family.

Ergo, suicide is NOT what happened here.

This is a very important point to illustrate because it just isn't logical or rational to put energy into this theory. And I hope you don't think I am trying to be snarky- I'm just trying to be thorough.

We should be putting focus on key players and motives for murder - but murder that was planned and not a random ambush by civilians that got out of hand. This was a calculated attack. There IS a lot more going on. Something really bad.

Lake county is SO corrupt. I made a couple other posts about Filenko - he's done some dirty stuff before. It's right up his alley. They haven't even released all of the information the coroner needs to finish the examination - they are withholding information.

I appreciate your opinion and I don't think you are being snarky.
I agree that it would be very presumptuous of Gliniewicz to think his coworkers would cover up a suicide but then sometimes people aren't really thinking clearly when they commit suicide. He also probably thought he was so good they wouldn't think it was suicide.

I think now at this point some are questioning and starting to leak info hoping if it was suicide they don't take the fall too simply because they were part of the same department. I also think some even if it turns out to be suicide would cover it up at this point because we are so far gone down the road with millions spent and the entire funeral and media attention that it will be a PR nightmare and they will lose their jobs if they don't cover it up.

I agree lake county is a cess pool.
 
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It wasn't locals who whacked down everything, it was official people. I'm fairly certain. Nevertheless, it was jaw-dropping to me.

I meant Local LE as opposed to Feds.
 
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Ex-Chicago cop accused of threats in Fox Lake police shooting case won't get lower bond


Judge refuses to lower bail for Battaglia.
$3,100.00 a month pension for the divorced father of 3 teens.

http://m.nwherald.com/2015/09/15/ex...ce-shooting-case-wont-get-lower-bond/atsxawr/

It says Battaglia has no history of mental illness and no criminal history. He's divorced and supports three teenage children on his $3,100-a-month police pension. This makes no sense to risk loosing everything, unless he has info, or he is mentally ill even though there is no history of it.
 
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