IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #2

[vestigare]

But you are assuming, I am glad you admitted that. Going back to gunshot wounds which it sounds like you know a lot about, have you ever heard or maybe you have seen a person shot through the heart who continues to move around ?

Of course I am assuming. We are all assuming since we don't have inside knowledge.

Move? Depends on the shot to the heart. I can hit you small caliber in certain areas of the heart you will continue to beat, talk etc...

You won't be moving much once you stop getting oxygen to the brain and muscles and with no beating heart, loss of blood, and missing branches you aren't getting oxygen to the brain or muscles.

 

[vestigare]

Would the devastation vary depending on distance or does 40cal cause devastation no matter from where it was fired? Or was "devastating" used because it blew up a major organ? JMO

I think devastating was used because of what it hit mostly.
You can survive a .40 to the chest if it doesn't hit anywhere vital and you get help.
I also don't know what sort of bullet was being used which some bullets will cause more damage.
Cops carry .40 hollow points for a reason and it isn't because they leave nice pretty wounds and you walk away saying ouch.

 

[vestigare]

Off the current topic on this page. A while back I think I read about posters discussing if he was still smoking. Saw a picture from Aug 22nd still smoking.

Was totally caught off guard when I went to his twitter account and looked at the 7 favorited tweets of his. One of them VERY NSFW.

That was me.

Thanks. A Friend sent me a pic yesterday from his facebook (I don't have access as I refuse to do facebook ) and it was him in a yellow cut off sleeves shirt smoking a cig and he said it was from quite recent.

 

[vestigare]

Would the devastation vary depending on distance or does 40cal cause devastation no matter from where it was fired? Or was "devastating" used because it blew up a major organ? JMO

Wanted to add the closer the gun the worse for you.

 

[-MD-]

That was me.

Thanks. A Friend sent me a pic yesterday from his facebook (I don't have access as I refuse to do facebook ) and it was him in a yellow cut off sleeves shirt smoking a cig and he said it was from quite recent.

You're welcome. Yes that one I believe was from 2014.

 

[cady]

Wish we could summon a pathologist member. I know of one, but I can't remember her screenname. GRR JMO

 

[vestigare]

Wish we could summon a pathologist member. I know of one, but I can't remember her screenname. GRR JMO

That would be nice. If you remember invite her over.

I would think the precipitous loss of blood pressure he would have suffered would have immediately rendered him unconscious had he even nicked any of his major arteries or veins leading to the heart, lungs or brain. They are all right there in that area of the neck/chest. Assuming he was shot there. Death would have come shortly thereafter if he didn't get immediate help.

 

[Big Bread]

Hey everyone,

Upon reviewing Gliniewicz's Facebook, I noticed that his last post was on August 23, 2015. Now, this disturbs me because Gliniewicz posted very regularly on his Facebook, almost daily.

When he was found dead, he had not posted for 9 days! I find that extremely unusual. Check it out for yourself. JMO.

 

[night train]

Exactly!

Considering they started pulling out on the 4th also tells me they knew pretty quick that the manhunt wasn't adding up because there wasn't anyone to hunt.

Considering the the associated cost of the huge initial Manhunt (including the search in Volo made necessary by a false report) and the enormous funeral procession that followed?

There would have to some pressure from somewhere much higher up to avoid the appearance of going way over the top for L. E compared to a regular citizen.

At one point Filenko pretty much said they were tired but going all out because it was for a fellow Police Officer. That's great, I can relate to that, but there's still a need to be sensitive to public perception.

A careful examination of the existing threads of evidence to justify moving further along in the direction of homicide seems reasonable.

 

[Keefer]

Of course I am assuming. We are all assuming since we don't have inside knowledge.
Move? Depends on the shot to the heart. I can hit you small caliber in certain areas of the heart you will continue to beat, talk etc...
Interesting. So you are saying that a large .40 modern police hollow point that hits someone in the heart is an instant stop. That the person will crumple where they stand?

You won't be moving much once you stop getting oxygen to the brain and muscles and with no beating heart, loss of blood, and missing branches you aren't getting oxygen to the brain or muscles.

Interesting, so you are saying that a person shot in the heart with a larger pistol hollow point will crumple on the spot?

 

[cady]

Hey everyone,

Upon reviewing Gliniewicz's Facebook, I noticed that his last post was on August 23, 2015. Now, this disturbs me because Gliniewicz posted very regularly on his Facebook, almost daily.

When he was found dead, he had not posted for 9 days! I find that extremely unusual. Check it out for yourself. JMO.

Drat. I can't because I refuse to join FB. Interesting, though. Could his final week have been scrubbed? JMO

 

[TheDuchess]

Just want to say that I just spent a little time perusing the FB and yes, he may have not posted in a while, but he seemed to go in bursts like many of us tend to do. That said, I noticed the post about not getting the Antioch position, while disappointed, he really took it in stride. He was very positive and upbeat about it, although I am certain he was disappointed. He even said a lot of great things about the department and wished the new chief luck. He then continued to post very positive comments and seemed just fine moving onto bigger and better things. Honestly, just looking at his FB and the comments of his friends, it is quite apparent that this man was well liked and had a very positive attitude on life. To go to suicide then within a few weeks? THAT is what is NOT making any sense!

 

[vestigare]

Interesting, so you are saying that a person shot in the heart with a larger pistol hollow point will crumple on the spot?

Unless he was on some sort of amphetamine that helped keep his blood pressure up and allowed him not to feel pain in most cases the loss of blood pressure would instantly render him unconscious.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Isn't a cop suppose to dispatch when they are on foot while approaching suspects once said officer leaves his car?

 

[Keefer]

Unless he was on some sort of amphetamine that helped keep his blood pressure up and allowed him not to feel pain in most cases the loss of blood pressure would instantly render him unconscious.

That's odd. I had a friend who was a police officer who witnessed another officer shoot a suspect through the heart with A 45 acp hollow point. The suspect had a knife but dropped it when he was shot. He continued to move around for sometime and had to be subdued. He did die just not right away. He did stop struggling, but it was far from instantaneous.

 

[vestigare]

That's odd. I had a friend who was a police officer who witnessed another officer shoot a suspect through the heart with A 45 acp hollow point. The suspect had a knife but dropped it when he was shot. He continued to move around for sometime and had to be subdued. He did die just not right away. He did stop struggling, but it was far from instantaneous.

Questions: Was it to heart?
Was the cop at the autopsy?
Was the man on drugs of any sort?
Did the bullet over penetrate before expansion?
Did the bullet under penetrate before expansion?
Was anything else hit before the heart? Such as a rib?
What constitutes movement?
Subdued by whose definition? LE because they often handcuff dead people.

Many factors here to determine what happened. Claiming you saw one person do something does not fact make in this case.
You can't even claim you hit someone in the heart without an autopsy. You can think you did but thinking isn't doing.

 

[Keefer]

Yes they had an autopsy. Don't recall any drugs. They tackled him. I didn't see the bullet.
Do you know any of these things pertaining to Lt. Gliniewicz?

 

[vestigare]

All this talk about whether he moved after the devasting shot is easily solved during the autopsy anyway.
Pooling of blood inside the body will show exactly what way the body was laying.
Blood outside the body will show whether it leaked or spurted.
If a person has any blood pressure, they are moving to increase blood pressure and there is a free path the blood will spurt.
The autopsy will show all this.

Then forensics on scene will show other stuff.
Splatter under his body means he was moved after the shot.
Two places of blood on the ground.
a path of blood from being dragged.
drops of blood from someone else who had splatter on them .

Blood splatter is a fascinating science and they would have all that evidence as well and it will show if he moved at all or was moved after being shot.

 

[vestigare]

Yes they had an autopsy. Don't recall any drugs. They tackled him. I didn't see the bullet.
Do you know any of these things pertaining to Lt. Gliniewicz?

So since you don't have the full story of how exactly this man was moving around I can't really say if this was odd or not.

Of course I don't know any of these things about Gliniewicz and neither do you. We are just speculating.
However, while we are all entitled to our own opinions we are not entitled to our own facts.

 

[Tillicum]

I'm curious how much the vest would diffuse the spatter pattern.