IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #3

[steelman]

This isn't going to amount to anything.....the only reason they are going to have a press conference..................


you know what ?? forget it.


I was being optimistic for a second, thinking they might actually announce something.

 

[looking4OPH]

This isn't going to amount to anything.....the only reason they are going to have a press conference..................


you know what ?? forget it.


I was being optimistic for a second.

lol My reaction as well.

 

[Walker007]

This isn't going to amount to anything.....the only reason they are going to have a press conference..................


you know what ?? forget it.


I was being optimistic for a second, thinking they might actually announce something.

Does make you wonder. This CBS video.. could be ominous as to what could come tomorrow. Only tomorrow will be know. Until then..

 

[Chuz Life]

One other thought to your theory. We have discussed about him being ambushed, we have discussed how he was vetted and his wife said he was a firearms instructor. He was not Bush League on the weapons by any stretch. I think it's been hard to wrap head around unknown offenders attacking him based on the information that has been released thus far. However, what if it ended up being someone known to him, he may not have been on guard and even could have come closer in contact with this person, perhaps even in the department? Which could also explain the strangeness of what we know. Does this make sense? Just food for thought.

BBM

How would you reconcile the Lt's radio report of "three suspects" "running toward the swamp" with that?

 

[vestigare]

Here is the link - http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/09...part-of-in-lt-gliniewicz-death-investigation/

You would think this would have been done asap. I understand some that may not have been responding officers but this couldn't be routine to do a month later. Strange as all get out.

The sad part is this isn't all that bizarre for the average police investigation.
Sadly police just aren't usually that logical or thorough. I know we are all familiar with cases where family members have had to beg police to run tests. Or we have seen where police haven't even thought of an avenue of investigation until a journalist asks a question.

Like steelman.said most are just high school.grads with a badge..... and it is very difficult to teach common.sense.

 

[Cubby]

According to CBS, they have swabbed ALL Fox Lake officers, a month later.

And this is what our tax dollars pay for? I wonder, do they do this swabbing for each new case or is it something they think might be useful to keep on file for all cases?

Every time they announce something they sound more and more incompetent.

 

[Chuz Life]

And this is what our tax dollars pay for? I wonder, do they do this swabbing for each new case or is it something they think might be useful to keep on file for all cases?

Every time they announce something they sound more and more incompetent.

Your comment makes me think of all the (hundreds of) cold cases we have here on WebSleuths and how it's like pulling teeth to get someone in LE to help with a possible match for identification.

I can not imagine being one of the immediate family members searching for and waiting decades for a dna test that apparently only takes a few days when the right people want to see it through.

 

[Walker007]

BBM

How would you reconcile the Lt's radio report of "three suspects" "running toward the swamp" with that?

I would sound like a conspiracy theorist. It's a good question and there would have to be circumstances that are unknown to us to warrant it. could it be that he didn't recognize at first. I thought he said they were heading toward the swamp, not running? What if he could see what was happening (as in situation with people but trying to make determination) and knew them or one of them, but didn't explain it by radio... I am not committed or marrying this as to it is what I believe, just weighing theories.

 

[Walker007]

The sad part is this isn't all that bizarre for the average police investigation.
Sadly police just aren't usually that logical or thorough. I know we are all familiar with cases where family members have had to beg police to run tests. Or we have seen where police haven't even thought of an avenue of investigation until a journalist asks a question.

Like steelman.said most are just high school.grads with a badge..... and it is very difficult to teach common.sense.

I do NOT disagree with this at all. Been there, countless time. Esp, in cold cases as DNA technology has advanced but testing methods have also evolved. This is a funding issue, lack of knowledge issue and a proactive issue.
Sigh. In any case, I guess the "do this right away" in my mind if considering the internal affairs as a possible factor in investigation, would have been at the forefront. Perhaps, developing information, led them to finally do this. I find it strange this is the headline........ this week is starting to feel as if perhaps a PR strategy is in play... also in light of Lt. G widow speaking. Tomorrow will tell. I am still going to stand by they are investigating as homicide. And perhaps they have a direction and possible POI.

 

[Cubby]

CBS 2 news report on 10:00 news was on-scene at Fox Lake PD by the same reporter whos Tweet I posted earlier. Seems they are the only ones with a tidbit to report (all LE swabbed) and to truck an hour and a half out from Chicago to do a live report (also noting the absence of the memorial).

I'm not going to complain. Lots of times we are pleading with msm to cover a case or even write up a paragraph to keep the info out to the public. If we expect any answers in this case we are going to need MSM to stay on it, otherwise it's going to fall off the radar due to time. I think Fox Lake and Lake County officials would like this to just go away.

 

[Chuz Life]

I would sound like a conspiracy theorist. It's a good question and there would have to be circumstances that are unknown to us to warrant it. could it be that he didn't recognize at first. I thought he said they were heading toward the swamp, not running? What if he could see what was happening (as in situation with people but trying to make determination) and knew them or one of them, but didn't explain it by radio... I am not committed or marrying this as to it is what I believe, just weighing theories.

I'm sorry but that's way too much speculation for me, personally. The Lt. was a veteran cop. I don't see him getting caught so completely off guard with what we know of the radio traffic and the way things have unfolded since.

In my opinion, had the Lt been in that area for anything other than a staged encounter of his own doing, he would have been all over the radio - providing a lot more information than what he provided.

His near radio silence only further supports my belief that he wanted to keep things fuzzy and vague.

 

[al66pine]

....Like steelman.said most are just high school.grads with a badge..... and it is very difficult to teach common.sense.

^sbm This thread may not be the approp place to discuss extensively, IDK, but I am curious about stats re qual's & LEOs being 'just high school grads w a badge' gen'ly & specifically in FLPD.

In Midwestern state in early 1970s, I recall some LEOs in teensy-tiny municipalities (maybe ~ to FLPD?) trying to cast aspersions on county LEOs by calling them 'those college grad County Mounties' as if academic achievement was undesirable or unnecessary for LEOs. In talking about some teensy-tiny municipality LEOs, some 'County Mounties' would make joking ref's to Barney Fife, Sheriff Andy Taylor of Mayberry, et al.

I recall recently seeing - just a gen. impression, no link - some city PDs recruiting ads seeking candidates for the force w Bach. or Assoc Degree, pref'ly in Crim Justice (or ?). Maybe some forces list this as qualification but are unable to locate & hire ppl w Assoc. or Bach degree in Crim Justice or other field. IDK.

Have not (yet) located info re FLPD recruiting & qualification stds for LEOs. Anyone???

 

[KristinSchmistin]

^sbm This thread may not be the approp place to discuss extensively, IDK, but I am curious about stats re qual's & LEOs being 'just high school grads w a badge' gen'ly & specifically in FLPD.

In Midwestern state in early 1970s, I recall some LEOs in teensy-tiny municipalities (maybe ~ to FLPD?) trying to cast aspersions on county LEOs by calling them 'those college grad County Mounties' as if academic achievement was undesirable or unnecessary for LEOs. In talking about some teensy-tiny municipality LEOs, some 'County Mounties' would make joking ref's to Barney Fife, Sheriff Andy Taylor of Mayberry, et al.

I recall recently seeing - just a gen. impression, no link - some city PDs recruiting ads seeking candidates for the force w Bach. or Assoc Degree, pref'ly in Crim Justice (or ?). Maybe some forces list this as qualification but are unable to locate & hire ppl w Assoc. or Bach degree in Crim Justice or other field. IDK.

Have not (yet) located info re FLPD recruiting & qualification stds for LEOs. Anyone???

Hola!

Looks like they post their jobs on the village site- I found the jobs link under the "How do I" tab.

Small department (22 full time officers and a hand full of part time officers) so it doesn't seem like there is a huge push for new officers like larger/city departments- or a civil service exam for lake county that is necessary for FLPD- in fact I looked up Lake County, IL, and it appears as if the civil service exam is through the state (I could be wrong)

Here's the job posting that lists reqs for the police chief- it does mention a bachelors. I couldn't find a cached version of an old patrol officer posting so not exactly sure. I am in NY and most law enforcement in my area does require either military service OR a bachelors degree- regardless of area of study. On top of whatever other requirements each dept has to get in.... no clue what those actually, likely differs depending on supply/demand of jobs and candidates, right?

Here's the FLPD link http://www.foxlake.org/Jobs.aspx?UniqueId=104&From=All&CommunityJobs=False&JobID=Police-Chief-48

Hope that helps!

 

[Japple]

Perhaps a local could answer this? Any local updates?

Everything if front of the police station has been removed, as reported on the news last night. There is a 4 foot tall concrete retaining wall on grand ave that had "notes" on it from locals. "we miss you gi-joe" "TY Joe" etc. It really looked all hodge-podge and unnatractive. Mostly just scribbles. It was painted over white and covered with plastic on Monday. At least that's when I noticed it.

I read somewhere in the FL meeting minutes about students and artwork. They may be planing on doing a mural or something on this wall.

 

[vestigare]

Journals Police Quarterly and Criminal Justice and Behavior

A 2015 study from the University of Michigan found that only 45% of recent recruits in major police departments had a degree and most departments do not require a degree. The percentage is even less in smaller departments.

They also found that those with a degree have a higher rate of on the job dissatisfaction and tend to leave at higher rates so many times departments are not keen to hire those with a degree.

They also found that those with a degree in Criminal Justice do not receive the analytical skills found in other degrees but this is the overwhelming degree most police receive after becoming a cop. They also found the old school investigative techniques do not work well with newer analytical skills taught in social and science degrees and many with these degrees find it frustrating to work with the older policemen.

They also found that college grads tend to be less likely to use force while on the job.

If you look at the LinkedIn pages for these officers you can get a good idea of their education. If you listen to them speak.....even more so.

And remember just because a job advert says a degrees is required didn't mean a person is always hired who has a degree.

We also have a great degree of higher management who do not have degrees because that wasn't the standard twenty or thirty years ago.

And having been military should in no way be a requirement for law enforcement. Those are two totally different disciplines. Even military LE is not the same as civilian LE.

 

[Japple]

I still find it hard to believe that nobody heard gunshots that morning. There had to be someone less than a 1/2 mile in any direction that would have heard something. The time between the shots could lead direction between suicide and murder. If they were rapid, within a couple seconds from each other, how did one casing end up 100 feet away? And was it found along the GR trail?

 

[cady]

His Obituary says Bachelors and Masters degrees from Kaplan univ. JMO

 

[vestigare]

I do NOT disagree with this at all. Been there, countless time. Esp, in cold cases as DNA technology has advanced but testing methods have also evolved. This is a funding issue, lack of knowledge issue and a proactive issue.
Sigh. In any case, I guess the "do this right away" in my mind if considering the internal affairs as a possible factor in investigation, would have been at the forefront. Perhaps, developing information, led them to finally do this. I find it strange this is the headline........ this week is starting to feel as if perhaps a PR strategy is in play... also in light of Lt. G widow speaking. Tomorrow will tell. I am still going to stand by they are investigating as homicide. And perhaps they have a direction and possible POI.

I absolutely think this is all a PR play now. They want to spin the narrative whenever it isn't going their way while boring us to the point they hope we will all go away and forget about this story.

 

[vestigare]

I still find it hard to believe that nobody heard gunshots that morning. There had to be someone less than a 1/2 mile in any direction that would have heard something. The time between the shots could lead direction between suicide and murder. If they were rapid, within a couple seconds from each other, how did one casing end up 100 feet away? And was it found along the GR trail?

This was an industrial area. I am sure they hear loud bands all the time and no one takes special note. Clearly there were shots. I don't find it very unusual.

 

[looking4OPH]

Filenko speaks! (to local reporter Lee Filas) Haven't read it all, but wanted to get it out to WS.

Exclusive: Gliniewicz task force chief cites unknown DNA, possible getaways
Lake County posted: 10/1/2015 5:00 AM

Nine pieces of unknown DNA were recovered from the scene where Fox Lake police Lt. Charles Joseph Gliniewicz died, the chief investigator said Wednesday, and suspects sought in the case may have had time to get away from the start.

In an exclusive interview with the Daily Herald, Lake County Major Crimes Task Force Cmdr. George Filenko said it's now up to investigators to find out who the DNA belongs to and determine why it was found near Gliniewicz's body one month ago in a swampy area at the east end of Honing Road in Fox Lake. Filenko said authorities still consider the case a homicide and they are determined to find the three people Gliniewicz described as "two male whites, one male black" who are believed to have committed the crime. He also said the 30-year police veteran was on his way to the police station the morning of Sept. 1 when he "took it upon himself" to check out the area where he was later killed, and that the two-mile police perimeter established after the shooting may not have been set up in time to catch the assailants.


"We're still proceeding along, like I've stated before, as a homicide investigation," Filenko said. "I'll reiterate that during the course of an investigation, it's fluid and nothing is off the table at this point."

What follows is an edited version of Wednesday's interview.

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http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20151001/news/151009954/