IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #3

[vestigare]

I suspect this presser will accomplish just what the task force was after.
Just wait for the headlines all claiming the FBI has significant DNA and is trying to compare it to other crimes and a dog located the trail of one of the suspects.

 

[vestigare]

rsbm -

As wonderful as the dogs are, they're not criminalists or criminologists. They track, as you rightly pointed out, scent trails. They don't necessarily track suspects. The dog might have been tracking CG, a racoon, or somebody who went for a walk for all we know. Of course the detective would play it up as if it were the trail of a suspect, but he can't know that himself -- it just fits his story.

I found it disingenuous that he said the dog tracked one of the suspects. It just shows this presser wasn't about evidence or facts but about getting their version of the story out regardless of logic.

And I thought they were persons of interest now anyway.....?

 

[Tillicum]

I think the presser was one of two things. Either they were attempting to snow us with inconclusive "evidence" and hoped we were all too stupid to understand how DNA, CoDIS and GPR works or they are truly stupid and have fooled themselves.

As you pointed out the dogs tracked one trail away from scene. Could have been any one who was in that yard in the previous hours for any reason.

For all we know there may have been a completely innocent person in that area who heard gunshots and got the heck out of there. Having nothing to do with a suicidal cop. I am not sure I would come forward either if I were that person the way cops jump to conclusions.

I am sure Rudd makes mistakes and I think there is a lot of politics going on here but I can't see how it helps when a task force accused him of being the one stalling when he wasn't, and then refuses to meet with him, and then claims he didn't have authority to release info which he did have the authority. Rudd legally could release much more.

I won't be shocked if a suicide is determined but I'm not gonna close my mind to any other possibilities based on the few facts we now know. If that makes me stupid, so be it.

 

[fraudqueen]

This is only a thought of mine, probably not logical, but oh well. In my opinion, what if the FBI is running an investigation behind the scene on this police department.....they would never come out and say it. This death has bothered me so much since it happened, nothing about it or the way it has been handled makes any sense at all. My gut tells me there's a huge cover up going on by the locals. And yes, they all think we have stupid written on our foreheads.

 

[Cubby]

Finally a press conference. Too bad the words of everyone currently involved in this investigation means nothing now.

I'm not caught up but I'm willing to give them the benefit of tbe doubt. I didn't get to watch any news, too noisy outside, but did see it looks like Filenko is no longer giving the pressers. I think that's a good thing for this case considering what is happening with Melissa Calusinski's case.

 

[vestigare]

I won't be shocked if a suicide is determined but I'm not gonna close my mind to any other possibilities based on the few facts we now know. If that makes me stupid, so be it.

You misunderstood my point. There are very legitimate ways that this could be homicide and evidence that could support that. The evidence supplied to the public so far however, is not in any way conclusive evidence of a homicide so I have to question what the task force is thinking and what they think about the intellect of the general public they serve.

 

[vestigare]

This is only a thought of mine, probably not logical, but oh well. In my opinion, what if the FBI is running an investigation behind the scene on this police department.....they would never come out and say it. This death has bothered me so much since it happened, nothing about it or the way it has been handled makes any sense at all. My gut tells me there's a huge cover up going on by the locals. And yes, they all think we have stupid written on our foreheads.

There have been rumors circulating that gliniewicz was being investigated and that the mayor tipped him off. The feds are always dipping into local pd checking things out and this is Lake County so who knows. Maybe they were but had nothing to do with gliniewicz specifically....
Interestingly he answered in the press conf that they looked into his personal life but wouldn't answer if he might have had a reason to kill himself....

Some are now speculating they are stuck because they want to make it look like a suicide to cover up an inside job ...... but are stuck explaining the manhunt.

Ah the conspiracies that are flying all because this task force is being so cagey.

 

[tcer114]

Rollins runs NW to SE near the scene. The only neighborhood-heavy area near the scene is north and east of the scene. Mostly anything else is light industrial or swamp in other directions. I do remember picking up on several Twitter accounts that evening with people tweeting that they were seeing LE searching in their yards in that NE direction.

I believe they were searching near Hickory and Spruce.

 

[i.b.nora]

After 3 weeks, more questions than answers in investigation of Illinois police officer's death
The Associated Press
Sept. 21, 2015 | 7:44 p.m. EDT
By DON BABWIN, Associated Press

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...more-questions-than-answers-in-police-slaying

CHICAGO (AP) — “On the day he died, officer Charles Joseph Gliniewicz radioed to a police dispatcher that he was in pursuit of three suspicious men. Moments later, fellow officers found his body and launched a manhunt for his killers.

Three weeks after the lieutenant was shot to death in a remote part of northern Illinois, investigators have revealed little about their investigation. They said they received lab results about ballistics and gunshot residue only Monday, despite the urgency with which police slayings are usually handled. But they declined to offer details, saying the results did not support or exclude any theory in the case.”

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“While both Covelli and Filenko had said the task force was waiting for weeks for scientific evidence tests, other police officers quietly acknowledged that whenever an officer is killed, the case goes to the front of the line for lab work.

A forensics expert agreed.

"This is given the highest priority," said Larry Kobilinsky, professor of forensic science at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. "Everything else is dropped, and it gets looked at immediately."

Covelli would not discuss details on Monday, saying that divulging the findings would make it harder to assess the truthfulness of any suspects at future interrogations.”​

 

[longlonglake]

Good point. I've wondered about the same thing. Was LT silenced because he knew something he shouldn't? Was it an assassination made to look like a suicide?

 

[night train]

I found it disingenuous that he said the dog tracked one of the suspects. It just shows this presser wasn't about evidence or facts but about getting their version of the story out regardless of logic.

And I thought they were persons of interest now anyway.....?

No more disingenuous than stating the opinion numerous times that Lt.Gliniewicz's death couldn't have been a homicide because multiple K-9 units failed to pick up a suspect's trail,then completely discounting the the importance of new information that doesn't support that same narrative.

 

[i.b.nora]

As probe of officer's death enters 4th week, focus still on homicide
Lisa Black
Chicago Tribune
September 21, 2015

http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...-police-shooting-met-0922-20150921-story.html

“As the probe enters its fourth week, Covelli said the Lake County Major Crime Task Force received results of gunshot residue and ballistics testing earlier Monday but declined to elaborate on their results.

Speaking in front of the Fox Lake police station — still strewn with tributes to "G.I. Joe," as Gliniewicz was sometimes known — Covelli said authorities have followed up on about 300 leads. He said that 80 DNA samples from interviews have been taken from people questioned in the investigation, and revealed that multiple DNA samples not belonging to Gliniewicz were taken from the remote area where the officer was found mortally wounded Sept. 1.”​

More...

 

[vestigare]

No more disingenuous than stating the opinion numerous times that Lt.Gliniewicz's death couldn't have been a homicide because multiple K-9 units failed to pick up a suspect's trail,then completely discounting the the importance of new information that doesn't support that same narrative.

You must have me confused with someone who works on the task force.
I can have what ever opinion I want. I dont get a taxpayer paycheck where the truth is required when I give press releases.

I also think you will find I didn't discount it. I gave it the same exact weight as all other canine evidence.

 

[vestigare]

No more disingenuous than stating the opinion numerous times that Lt.Gliniewicz's death couldn't have been a homicide because multiple K-9 units failed to pick up a suspect's trail,then completely discounting the the importance of new information that doesn't support that same narrative.

Also my reasoning has to do with ever so slightly more than the lack of k9 trail.

 

[Cubby]

He did say he wouldn't be able to answer anything. I think local press is lazy and knows this task force won't answer anything anyway so no need to waste airtime.

I agree. The tiny bit I caught the reporters seemed frustrated, like tbey knew this was going to be a whole lot more of nothing. It's usually quiet around here it just happened a motorcycle was going by and it was louder than my tv. argh.

 

[Cubby]

I think he meant just one of the samples that were collected from road/woods/swamp area.

Yes. One of the transfer dna samples that were found at the crime scene was of CODIS quality. By that I think it means it was a good enough sample to enter into the CODIS database.

Still catching up, but wondering if the dna transfer samples (since they made a point during the presser of indicating there was more than one sample) are from the same donor or multiple donors.

back to catching up.

 

[Cubby]

The samples taken from swabs would not go to CODIS. Only crime scene DNA and those from people in prison go to CODIS. Well technically anyway. The swabs from people in town were compared and ruled out.

AFAIK they haven't said any dna was not a match except for the "first responders".

 

[Cubby]

I'll throw out another possibility. What if CG pulled his gun while closing in on one or two suspects and the third came in from beside or behind him and tried to grab the gun? That could be when the first shot fired and hit his phone and then one of the three could've shot the fatal shot from their own gun.

But then wouldn't they determine Lt. CG didn't fire his weapon?

 

[Cubby]

rsbm -

As wonderful as the dogs are, they're not criminalists or criminologists. They track, as you rightly pointed out, scent trails. They don't necessarily track suspects. The dog might have been tracking CG, a racoon, or somebody who went for a walk for all we know. Of course the detective would play it up as if it were the trail of a suspect, but he can't know that himself -- it just fits his story.

Good comments. I was also wondering in which direction did the dog track? Towards the swamp or towards Lt. CG's vehicle?

 

[Cubby]

I won't be shocked if a suicide is determined but I'm not gonna close my mind to any other possibilities based on the few facts we now know. If that makes me stupid, so be it.

Not stupid at all. I'm not closing my mind to any one theory either.