IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[Cubby]

In my opinion and in my experience, the "sledgehammer" comment by Filenko was very exaggerated and uncalled for.

Here is a video of someone taking a direct hit at point blank range from a .40 cal with a vest on.

Please watch.

https://youtu.be/VDRRJZ6rJBY

Wow. And the guy in the video looks older and is not in as good of shape as LT. CG was at the time of his being shot.

 

[Chuz Life]

On the subject of Gun Shot Residue (gsr). . .

I would like to see and know the exact process that was used to check the Lt for gsr. There are several techniques for doing so and some techniques reveal more information than others do.

For example with some techniques (maybe most) a clean sterile cloth is used to wipe the hands and or clothing and then it is then tested with a chemical that reacts with the residue.

That's a fairly reliable test if all you are looking for is the presence of gsr. However, it doesn't reveal much else.

The test I hope was done would be that the Lt's palms were tested separately.

If he was holding the gun, she should have little to no gsr on his palm. Conversely, if someone else was holding the gun, he would likely have his hands up or was reaching towards the gun and he would then have had significantly more gsr on his palms.

[video=youtube;6scYmo95hHI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6scYmo95hHI[/video]

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://abc7chicago.com/news/fox-lak...gun-sign-of-struggle-task-force-says/1011416/

"Only one of the recovered samples is male, Filenko said."
(midway down page)

Curious?

 

[Chuz Life]

http://abc7chicago.com/news/fox-lak...gun-sign-of-struggle-task-force-says/1011416/

"Only one of the recovered samples is male, Filenko said."
(midway down page)

Curious?

Given there were several dna samples ran, I find it even more curious that any of them were female.

 

[vestigare]

OK, I found it. After 30 years of service an IL LEO qualifies for 75% of the salary on their last day of service.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=004000050K3-111

According to his obit his 30 years of service was in August of this year qualifying him for the max percentage. There is as smaller percentage for leo who retire with less than 30 years of service.

So when his wife said in the interview that he qualified just the day before......she was probably right.

Very interesting.

 

[vestigare]

Wow. And the guy in the video looks older and is not in as good of shape as LT. CG was at the time of his being shot.

Was he the guy who later died from thrombosis from doing all these vest shots? I remember there was some famous vest guy who died from that.
Just shows though it isn't the propaganda they are painting.

 

[Keefer]

http://abc7chicago.com/news/fox-lak...gun-sign-of-struggle-task-force-says/1011416/

"Only one of the recovered samples is male, Filenko said."
(midway down page)

Curious?

Well, joe did report 2 white males and 1 black male. Maybe he saw them from a distance? If he was set up, who better than a female? Females are seen as vulnerable, and less dangerous. She might be able to get closer than a male counterpart could?

 

[longlonglake]

In response to the video about the guy with body armor being shot at close range.

Wow. The guy who was shot hardly flinched! Certainly not a sledgehammer effect. Is this the kind of body armor LE uses?

 

[vestigare]

On the subject of Gun Shot Residue (gsr). . .

I would like to see and know the exact process that was used to check the Lt for gsr. There are several techniques for doing so and some techniques reveal more information than others do.

For example with some techniques (maybe most) a clean sterile cloth is used to wipe the hands and or clothing and then it is then tested with a chemical that reacts with the residue.

That's a fairly reliable test if all you are looking for is the presence of gsr. However, it doesn't reveal much else.

The test I hope was done would be that the Lt's palms were tested separately.

If he was holding the gun, she should have little to no gsr on his palm. Conversely, if someone else was holding the gun, he would likely have his hands up or was reaching towards the gun and he would then have had significantly more gsr on his palms.

[video=youtube;6scYmo95hHI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6scYmo95hHI[/video]

I have a feeling again the test was known that he was holding the gun at some point or they wouldn't have read that vague part from one test which really was just a Conclusion of logic which Filenko embellished thinking we wouldn't understand.

I am beginning to think he probably shot himself with his left hand as well which will confuse the residue tests if you believe he is only likely to shoot right handed.

But they will also know if his palm print was the last on the gun or smudged etc... so compared with the gsr test they are properly only relating that which fits their narrative and they think we don't notice. Just release it all. There is no reason to hold back on the other. It doesn't prove another person's story.

 

[Keefer]

Wow. The guy who was shot hardly flinched! Certainly not a sledgehammer effect. Is this the kind of body armor LE uses?

It could depend where the shot hit. If he was hit in the solar plexus or the kidney it might have a different effect.

 

[marble]

Well, joe did report 2 white males and 1 black male. Maybe he saw them from a distance? If he was set up, who better than a female? Females are seen as vulnerable, and less dangerous. She might be able to get closer than a male counterpart could?

I dunno. That seems to add an even greater layer of complexity to the whole thing- one or more of the men was actually female who was dressed in a way that disguised this fact from a distance, and she was also strong and quick enough to grab his his weapon and use it against him? And this was all part of a set-up? Like she'd planned to be in a position where she'd be able to not only grab his gun but use it against him without being tackled or shot first?
Unlikely imo.

 

[Keefer]

Sorry, meant to say liver

 

[vestigare]

Given there were several dna samples ran, I find it even more curious that any of them were female.

I have taken thatut to mean they can't determine the sex of the dna because it is so degraded. Only one was able to be proven male. Maybe a few were female but that doesn't fit their narrative so they don't hype that.

 

[Keefer]

I dunno. That seems to add an even greater layer of complexity to the whole thing- one or more of the men was actually female who was dressed in a way that disguised this fact from a distance, and she was also strong and quick enough to grab his his weapon and use it against him? And this was all part of a set-up? Like she'd planned to be in a position where she'd be able to not only grab his gun but use it against him without being tackled or shot first?
Unlikely imo.

Well, at this point I am open to any and all possibilities, why limit yourself unless of course you can discount something positively

 

[bluesneakers]

I dunno. That seems to add an even greater layer of complexity to the whole thing- one or more of the men was actually female who was dressed in a way that disguised this fact from a distance, and she was also strong and quick enough to grab his his weapon and use it against him? And this was all part of a set-up? Like she'd planned to be in a position where she'd be able to not only grab his gun but use it against him without being tackled or shot first?
Unlikely imo.

Maybe she was a cop.

 

[vestigare]

Not difficult to imagine at all. It happens all the time. When I first considered he'd invented the trio I wondered if he mixed the races to make the incident seem somewhat racially ambiguous. He could get the same reaction adding one black man to two white men that he'd get with just one black man, but he could also soften the blow a bit. Like maybe it wasn't another black-man-white-cop fatality and everyone would be forced to tread lightly. Though with just as much emotion.

JMO.

And considering the racial makeup of the town he patrolled.... just saying it doesn't take mental gymnastics to have thought this.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Given there were several dna samples ran, I find it even more curious that any of them were female.

Yes, me too. My guess would have been opposite - that all samples would be male or maybe one of them would be female.
Since Filenko offered, "only one of the recovered samples is male",
the remark may point LE in a particular direction or mean something to them anyway.

 

[cady]

Well, at this point I am open to any and all possibilities, why limit yourself unless of course you can discount something positively

I agree. But if we have to keep adding more perps to the equation, it gets even more complex...so now there is no evidence of 4 people? I just figured that the only DNA that was testable was male. I'm not convinced that there WAS female DNA, but I agree with vestigare, that if there was, they are not about to reveal that publicly because they are looking for 3 males DNA. JMO

 

[vestigare]

Yes, me too. My guess would have been opposite - that all samples would be male or maybe one of them would be female.
Since Filenko offered, "only one of the recovered samples is male",
the remark may point LE in a particular direction or mean something to them anyway.

Who knows. Especially with this task force.
It can be difficult to sequence dna because of the 23 chromosomes pairs only one will tell the sex. And women have two x and men have one x. So you will show x 75% of the time. If you have a complete pair you will know if it is male or female but if you have an incomplete pair you will not be able to tell. You can sequence each individual pair to determine if there are two separate xs in the sequence but that is very expensive and laborious.

So I am thinking it likely they had DNA they couldn't sequence easily of which one showed easily male. That is the one they are making a big deal of.

Also these samples were not CODiS applicable which tells me they didn't have the proper amount of markers to be submitted to begin with meaning they were incomplete sequences.

 

[Chuz Life]

In response to the video about the guy with body armor being shot at close range.

Wow. The guy who was shot hardly flinched! Certainly not a sledgehammer effect. Is this the kind of body armor LE uses?

It has to be close enough.

I wore body armor while in the Marines and while it was a bit more bulky, it was just as resistive and I can't imagine high ranking LE settling for anything less.