IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[katydid23]

It isn't fair but then neither is life. I am not about fairness. I am about logic and facts.

But logic and facts can be tainted by one's own biases at time.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Actually his retirement date has nothing to do with his death benefits if killed in the line of duty. It is only interesting to me that he would have been really thinking about this very life changing date. She would get the same amount the week before. So it wouldn't stand out at all....so not sure your point.

Oh you made this point before and could be a possibility.
Still, if acted upon as stated, the motive would seem more obvious considering the timing he chose.

Would this choice go along with his character?
If we didn't know him personally, there isn't a way to gauge.
Because, in this case, we're assuming he was willing to rob the system and cheat (morally) his fellow men/women who unwillingly lost and gave their lives to service as well as the citizens he served.

Was he thought to be narcissistic?
When this happened, the outpouring from the community painted an opposite picture of the man.

 

[cady]

In my opinion and in my experience, the "sledgehammer" comment by Filenko was very exaggerated and uncalled for.

Here is a video of someone taking a direct hit at point blank range from a .40 cal with a vest on.

Please watch.

[video=youtube;VDRRJZ6rJBY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDRRJZ6rJBY&feature=youtube[/video]

Japple....bumping this. Not sure that you viewed it. JMO

 

[vestigare]

But logic and facts can be tainted by one's own biases at time.

Not really. I didn't start this thinking suicide. The evidence lead me there and nothing so far has changed that.
Again try looking up Euler Diagrams. There is nothing ambiguous about them.
And we are all entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts.

I am really good at separateing my emotions from things. Call it a gift.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Actually his retirement date has nothing to do with his death benefits if killed in the line of duty. It is only interesting to me that he would have been really thinking about this very life changing date. She would get the same amount the week before. So it wouldn't stand out at all....so not sure your point.

My point is if he didn't want people to know he killed himself, the timing he chose brings up a coincidence and coincidences prompt more questions.
Whether or not additional benefits were motive, not wanting people to know you killed yourself and knowing different levels of money are involved if you did or did not, equals bad timing.

You're a good twister arounder, vestigare!

 

[vestigare]

Oh you made this point before and could be a possibility.
Still, if acted upon as stated, the motive would seem more obvious considering the timing he chose.

Would this choice go along with his character?
If we didn't know him personally, there isn't a way to gauge.
Because, in this case, we're assuming he was willing to rob the system and cheat (morally) his fellow men/women who unwillingly lost and gave their lives to service as well as the citizens he served.

Was he thought to be narcissistic?
When this happened, the outpouring from the community painted an opposite picture of the man.

I don't put much stock in the outpouring of the community. Everyone and their mother tends to run out to mourn for a man in uniform and sing his praises even when they knew nothing about him.

I think people do a lot of questionable things that in their opinion is the right thing to do. So who knows what he was thinking.
He also could have thought they would think he wouldn't kill himself the day after 30 years ago that would be a good time to do it.


Who knows what he was thinking.

 

[Japple]

Japple....bumping this. Not sure that you viewed it. JMO

I did. Which is why I made the post about different vests. I'll elaborate. Different vests will displace the impact, or force of trauma differently. A lot goes into the design of these vests. The more resistant the vest, the bulkier it becomes.

Not to mention that this video is a commercial for the manufacturer, and that the man wearing the vest is prepared for the impact.

 

[night train]

Of course the town has black men between rhe ages of 12-65.
Yes, statistically speaking 0.5% of the town's population made up 33.3% of this trio.
Double that number for out of towners and it still wouldn't be anywhere near 33%.

Really....no matter if there actually were perps or if the whole deal's part of a whacko perverse staged suicide.The concept of a black person being involved isn't unreasonable.

Believe me or don't,out in the real world here in Lake County,Fox Lake and beyond...Census data is most definitely non-representative of the actual level of residential diversity.Please know this,other than perhaps Chicago.....On a warm weather day,any day of the week,Fox Lake is more likely than any town in Northern Illinois to have an abundance of non-residents visiting.

 

[vestigare]

My point is if he didn't want people to know he killed himself, the timing he chose brings up a coincidence and coincidences prompt more questions.
Whether or not additional benefits were motive, not wanting people to know you killed yourself and knowing different levels of money are involved if you did or did not, equals bad timing.

You're a good twister arounder, vestigare!

No just very logical and good at seeing both sides often before someone even brings them up. Lol.

 

[TheDuchess]

I don't put much stock in the outpouring of the community. Everyone and their mother tends to run out to mourn for a man in uniform and sing his praises even when they knew nothing about him.

I think people do a lot of questionable things that in their opinion is the right thing to do. So who knows what he was thinking.
He also could have thought they would think he wouldn't kill himself the day after 30 years ago that would be a good time to do it.


Who knows what he was thinking.

Maybe he was simply thinking that 3 men were acting suspiciously ....


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[katydid23]

Not really. I didn't start this thinking suicide. The evidence lead me there and nothing so far has changed that.
Again try looking up Euler Diagrams. There is nothing ambiguous about them.
And we are all entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts.

I am really good at separateing my emotions from things. Call it a gift.

Facts can be interpreted many ways and often are, according to one's own biases. If someone dislikes the police and believes they are corrupt then they may see one set of facts differently than someone who has faith in the police. JMO

 

[TheDuchess]

Really....no matter if there actually were perps or if the whole deal's part of a whacko perverse staged suicide.The concept of a black person being involved isn't unreasonable.

Believe me or don't,out in the real world here in Lake County,Fox Lake and beyond...Census data is most definitely non-representative of the actual level of residential diversity.Please know this,other than perhaps Chicago.....On a warm weather day,any day of the week,Fox Lake is more likely than any town in Northern Illinois to have an abundance of non-residents visiting.

I don't think the 3 males were non-residents. Just a hunch.


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[Woe.be.gone]

He was shot with his own gun. Again this is a really great what if but it requires evidence we have not been provided.

Here's where you go astray imo.
We have no evidence outside the wife truly believes he would not have killed himself.
I know that people will say it doesn't matter, but it does matter if she truly believes he would not. Because, if he did, even she doesn't know the truth.

And, if he did not take his own life, no one can blame the wife for protecting what is rightfully due to her family.
In any case, human nature, she's going to lean towards the "friend". I can't and don't fault her for this based on what we know.

 

[TheDuchess]

Facts can be interpreted many ways and often are, according to one's own biases. If someone dislikes the police and believes they are corrupt then they may see one set of facts differently than someone who has faith in the police. JMO

Exactly! If you are generally suspicious of the police you would take everything they say as suspicious. But what some are suggesting is an elaborate cover up of the highest order making me want to run and get my tinfoil hat.


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[vestigare]

Really....no matter if there actually were perps or if the whole deal's part of a whacko perverse staged suicide.The concept of a black person being involved isn't unreasonable.

Believe me or don't,out in the real world here in Lake County,Fox Lake and beyond...Census data is most definitely non-representative of the actual level of residential diversity.Please know this,other than perhaps Chicago.....On a warm weather day,any day of the week,Fox Lake is more likely than any town in Northern Illinois to have an abundance of non-residents visiting.

Yes, I am sure there are thousands upon thousands for him to have concocted.
/s

 

[cady]

I do hope that part of LE training is to learn how a vest shot feels so that they are comfortable with the vest and somewhat prepared for a shot to it. No idea if that is part of training, but I hope so. JMO Otherwise, they would have no confidence in it's protection.

 

[vestigare]

Here's where you go astray imo.
We have no evidence outside the wife truly believes he would not have killed himself.
I know that people will say it doesn't matter, but it does matter if she truly believes he would not. Because, if he did, even she doesn't know the truth.

And, if he did not take his own life, no one can blame the wife for protecting what is rightfully due to her family.
In any case, human nature, she's going to lean towards the "friend". I can't and don't fault her for this based on what we know.

I think you quoted the wrong post.
But I don't personally believe she believes this is homicide. Just a hunch I have.
But even if she did believe she doesn't get to say who investigates. So she can complain but it just makes her look like she favors certain people because they give her what she wants.

 

[vestigare]

Exactly! If you are generally suspicious of the police you would take everything they say as suspicious. But what some are suggesting is an elaborate cover up of the highest order making me want to run and get my tinfoil hat.


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In am not part of those who believe he was killed by someone he knew who was LE etc....

I think he killed himself, the evidence so far does not disprove that. I think the task force is being evasive because they are covering for themselves.

 

[Chuz Life]

About he video with the vest. All vests are different. A vest a patrol officer wears every day for a 9 hour shift is lighter than one that a special opps member would wear for a 1 hour scheduled raid. Vests have a shelf life as well.

Why are we immediately discounting information provided by Filenco himself? I he says it was an incapacitating blow, such as getting struck by a sledge hammer, why does that need to be argued. He has more info on that aspect than anyone here.

I'm sorry but I can't discount my own experiences and knowledge just because an investigator has more access to some of the details and evidence. And I'm not going to compromise common sense and my ability to draw from those experiences to give someone a pass on what I know to be dis-information or hype.

 

[night train]

There are only so many levels of vests. It is known how bullets react with those vests. So while Filenko might have been able to test the vest in question he w would not know more than you or I or anyone else about the energy absorbed during impact. This is common knowledge, easily researched and even provided to the department before they choose the vest. It is not like a sledgehammer. It hurts, it can knock the wind out. But most every vest is built do that you can sustain impact and return fire. Filenko should know this if has been involved in purchasing a vest.

When wiped fingerprints are said to be evidence I will give to my opinion based on science I know. I don't play what ifs.

BBM

It seems reasonable that would be enough to have made the decedent extremely vulnerable to a 2nd targeted short.